Outrage over Afghan law legalizing rape in marriage

[waldo]

On the contrary.

Who cares whether Afghanistan becomes a "civilized" country? I don't... because I think that Afghanistan's civil society is a question for Afghans to resolve. Canada should not be involved in this directly. (Indeed, I suspect that Leftist, do-gooder Canadians would only make the rights of Afghan women worse. See Haiti.)

As a NATO member, Canada's interest in Afghanistan is simply to prevent Afghanistan becoming a place to breed flight-bound terrorists who will hurt Westerners. This is our first priority and in this, our troops are fighting a fundamental battle.

Second, we must make it possible for the Afghans to organize this themselves so our troops can come home.

who cares? Why... Harper cares?

Harper 'deeply troubled' by Afghan move to limit women's rights

"This is antithetical to our mission in Afghanistan," Harper said in an interview with CBC News.

"Making progress on human rights for women is a significant component of the international engagement in Afghanistan."

"The concept that women are full human beings with human rights is very, very central to the reason the international community is engaged in this country."

Waldo, I'm not Stephen Harper and so I can say what I think. Harper doesn't have that freedom.

Harper has that freedom to categorically define the so-called "mission"... what percentage/component of the mission is, as you say, "to prevent Afghanistan becoming a place to breed flight-bound terrorists who will hurt Westerners"..... versus..... one that presumes to impart Western style democracy/values on another country's people/culture? Many "supporters" of the Afghan mission see these respective percentage/components as mutually exclusive... according to Harper's quotes, he doesn't.

[eyeball]

Rather, we in the West must stop Afghanistan (or any other country) becoming a place for terrorists to attack us. That's our objective.

Terror is a state of mind, its not a country. Our objective is a fantasy, a chimera born of our own willfull misperception and self-delusion. It is patently clear that Bin Laden's genius results from understanding his enemy's mind far better than his enemy does.

9/11 was merely the bait and now the west is hooked.

[myata]

Savages are in the need of being civilized.

Savages are up to no good.

Is there anything new under this sun?

[August1991]

Terror is a state of mind, its not a country. Our objective is a fantasy, a chimera born of our own willfull misperception and self-delusion. It is patently clear that Bin Laden's genius results from understanding his enemy's mind far better than his enemy does.

9/11 was merely the bait and now the west is hooked.

Nonsense.

It requires organization to place a car bomb.

[myata]

Organisation, indeed ...

of evil monster aliens from another galactic, or demons incarnate.

In any case, we're fully justified in our choice of remedies: forced reeducation, or extermination.

[M.Dancer]

The law is shelved.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle6047263.ece

[Keepitsimple]

The law is shelved.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle6047263.ece

Not only is the law shelved but, largely unreported by the Canadian media is the fact that Stephen Harper led the charge against the proposed law. I watched Power Play yesterday and it became clear that Harper was the first out of the gate in clearly condemning the law and furthermore, saying that promises were not enough - actions were required. Here's a snippet from a Montreal Gazette article that at least gives some credit for Canada's clear position:

Link: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/NATO+h...5001/story.html

STRASBOURG, France — Prime Minister Stephen Harper dramatically raised the stakes Saturday in the battle over women’s rights in Afghanistan, warning President Hamid Karzai that critical allied support for the mission could shrivel if he doesn’t change a law that many say would legally allow men to rape their wives.

Edited April 7, 2009 by Keepitsimple

[Oleg Bach]

Fantasitc hypocracy and liberalistic social engineering along with man hate - How can Canada look the world in the eye when our military has a tacit policy of turning a blind eye to the ritualistic rape of young boys on their thursday night of debauchery....

So it's okay to destroy males by raping boys as Canada turns away - but it is not okay to have sex with your own wife is she says no...You all make me sick..

[WIP]

Hey they are running with a good deal of the Sharia Law. Essentially the same set of Islamic rules that the Taliban governed by. We brought them Freedom !!!!! And they used that freedom to choose the same system they had been using.

And this is a shock to most ?? And you wonder why some of us crazy lefties wanted to get our troops out of Afghanistan like years ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Afghanistan.

They have a constitution, but Sharia Law fills in the gaps where the constitution does not specifically state anything about.

Yes, the nation-building strategies for Iraq and Afghanistan really make a lot of sense now that Islamic theocracy rules supreme. I have read numerous stories over the last few years that the conditions for women in Afghanistan outside of the capital city, are either unchanged or worse than they were under the Taleban, because at least they were consistent! Now, Afghanistan has Sharia Law and competing warlords killing and kidnapping people at random. In Iraq, conditions for women are worse, and becoming equivalent to Iranian law.

Things may have been better if the Bush Administration hadn't virtually packed up and left as soon as Mullah Omar's Taliban government was forced into Pakistan, so they could start planning the Iraq Invasion. Very little was spent on aid to build roads, schools and other infrastructure or more importantly, how to start real economic activity in a country that is only suitable for growing opium poppies.....which, actually could have been done legally if some of the legal market for growing opium (yes, there is a legal opium market) that is provided by U.N. medical licenses to a few countries like Australia, Turkey and India, were granted to Afghanistan.

There is no point to debating what their laws do or fail to do, since there is no economic activity to divert some of the people's attention away from religion, and the national government has no authority to enforce its laws one way or the other outside of Kabul.

[Oleg Bach]

It's all econonmic - a comfortable population that is not constantly struggling and under stress because of poverty..has little time to find reasons for abusing their fellow human beings - male or female..we project our values on these ancient cultures but in our cheapness fail to project our damned money. We want social feel good change for free! If the amount of cash that was dumped into Afghanistan and Iraq to sustain the military would have be dispersed amongst the general populace - we would see some sort of peace forming..instead we wage war to profit our selves and we parrot the stupified war cry "So a little girl can go to school" We don't care about poor families in Canada - so why do we fain such concern for those 8000 miles away?

[Moonbox]

Fantasitc hypocracy and liberalistic social engineering along with man hate - How can Canada look the world in the eye when our military has a tacit policy of turning a blind eye to the ritualistic rape of young boys on their thursday night of debauchery....

So it's okay to destroy males by raping boys as Canada turns away - but it is not okay to have sex with your own wife is she says no...You all make me sick..

What are you talking about Oleg?

[Oleg Bach]

What are you talking about Oleg?

Let me explain - This out rage by Canadians over the thought of the new Afghan government making it legal to rape...wives - is a non-starter. Most have forgotten that their was a report from our military brass that in Afhganistan...our troops were greatly dismayed and shocked that they were witnessing the raping of boys by some of the warlords (supposedly friendly to Canada) - some of our troops attempted to stop the rape of boys - but were told by our commander and chief to "turn a blind eye" to this abuse ----

Point being - we have a system here where males that enter into the family law system are abused - while the woman are given full judical and governmental support..It seems we are projecting that policy into Afhanistan..where we are worried about the safety and rights of females but NOT the young males! So is this our social engineering being exported as a form of control? As Hitler said .."give me power over the woman and the males will follow.... It really is hypocritial that the rape of young males has fallen by the way side...and we push the feel good emotional rhetoric...of protecting the females as if we are good people.

Look at the amount of male rape victims that took a deadly flying leap off the Bloor via duct...after years of abuse of male children in the dark confines of Maple Leaf Gardens - maybe boy rape is acceptable by our government and our elite?

[Moonbox]

Let me explain - This out rage by Canadians over the thought of the new Afghan government making it legal to rape...wives - is a non-starter. Most have forgotten that their was a report from our military brass that in Afhganistan...our troops were greatly dismayed and shocked that they were witnessing the raping of boys by some of the warlords (supposedly friendly to Canada) - some of our troops attempted to stop the rape of boys - but were told by our commander and chief to "turn a blind eye" to this abuse ----

Do you have anything you can link to me? I'd be interested in reading. If true, I didn't know.

Either way we want to be upholding the rights of women. Just because boys are being raped doesn't mean women should. NEITHER should. If what you're saying is true than Afghanistan is more a waste of time and lives than i thought.

[Oleg Bach]

Do you have anything you can link to me? I'd be interested in reading. If true, I didn't know.

Either way we want to be upholding the rights of women. Just because boys are being raped doesn't mean women should. NEITHER should. If what you're saying is true than Afghanistan is more a waste of time and lives than i thought.

Not skilled with linking - perhaps check out "Canadian troops told to turn a blind eye to the sexual abuse of Afghani boys....you should be able to find something... Yes Neither should be ----What I am trying to say on a human rights level and an honest one....Why was the abuse of young males played down and forgotten by the media and government ? AND Why is this buisness of rape with in marrage (womans issue) played up ?

Logic tells me that the record of behaviour concerning social policy regarding the sexes in Canada is such that is bias against males - NOT because they don't like males but because it is common knowledge that if you approach the idea of running a society in a Darwinist manner and want control - You as with a herd of cattle - de-masculate the males and practice animal husbandry of the human females - I suspect that some one has put this policy in place doemestically - 30 years ago to manage our population and now it seems that they are attempting to inforce the same social engineering in Afghanistan - It makes sense - they deminish the males in order to control the herd - The war lords their do the same thing - seems that our war lords are not much better than the ones in Afghanistan.

[Oleg Bach]

Not skilled with linking - perhaps check out "Canadian troops told to turn a blind eye to the sexual abuse of Afghani boys....you should be able to find something... Yes Neither should be ----What I am trying to say on a human rights level and an honest one....Why was the abuse of young males played down and forgotten by the media and government ? AND Why is this buisness of rape with in marrage (womans issue) played up ?

Logic tells me that the record of behaviour concerning social policy regarding the sexes in Canada is such that is bias against males - NOT because they don't like males but because it is common knowledge that if you approach the idea of running a society in a Darwinist manner and want control - You as with a herd of cattle - de-masculate the males and practice animal husbandry of the human females - I suspect that some one has put this policy in place doemestically - 30 years ago to manage our population and now it seems that they are attempting to inforce the same social engineering in Afghanistan - It makes sense - they deminish the males in order to control the herd - The war lords their do the same thing - seems that our war lords are not much better than the ones in Afghanistan.

Futher more - There was no uproar in parliment when the issue of sexual abuse of young Afghani males was exposed about 6 months ago - it was but a daily blip...but now there is an uproar as far as the passing of rape allowed laws for certain Afghani minority religious sects.

This plainly shows an unwritten policy by our government to leave males totally unprotected and vulneralble - young and adult..this smacks of the worst kind of high jacked Freudian social engineering imaginable - It permiates our courts - schools - right up to the Supreme Court Of Canada..This is horrific and I am glad I could articulate it and expose it - This injustice that is being deseminated thought Afghanistan - clearly shows that we have the same policy of abuse and control HERE... Why and I ask again WHY was there not the same concern for the rape of boys - that in time creates emotionally and sexually dysfunctinals that become suicide bombers --? Is our government stupid or evil or both?

[Oleg Bach]

Futher more - There was no uproar in parliment when the issue of sexual abuse of young Afghani males was exposed about 6 months ago - it was but a daily blip...but now there is an uproar as far as the passing of rape allowed laws for certain Afghani minority religious sects.

This plainly shows an unwritten policy by our government to leave males totally unprotected and vulneralble - young and adult..this smacks of the worst kind of high jacked Freudian social engineering imaginable - It permiates our courts - schools - right up to the Supreme Court Of Canada..This is horrific and I am glad I could articulate it and expose it - This injustice that is being deseminated thought Afghanistan - clearly shows that we have the same policy of abuse and control HERE... Why and I ask again WHY was there not the same concern for the rape of boys - that in time creates emotionally and sexually dysfunctinals that become suicide bombers --? Is our government stupid or evil or both?

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SOCIAL ISSUE ---THIS IS THE CORE OF ALL THAT IS AMISS IN CANADA. AND NOW I WILL QUOTE FROM THE MOVIE ELEPHANT MAN..............

"I am not an animal!" The rest is up to you to decide - are you a beast or a man?

[Argus]

This government has done a piss-poor job of explaining why we are in Afghanistan. In fact, the failure of this government can be most directly traced to their appallingly bad communicatoins strategy - and I'm being generous in presuming they HAVE any strategy.

There are actually 2 missions in Afghanistan. The first is the NATO mission. The second is the UN mission. People don't seem to realize that because the same crowd are largely in charge of both missions.

The NATO mission is purely military, designed to ensure that Afganistan doesn't again become a place where enormous numbers of terrorists can set up shop, train, and plan attacks on the west. Al Quaeda had a base there with some 10,000 fighters prior to the war.

That mission would have been best accomplished by simply putting a strong-man in charge and then leaving.

The second mission ins the UN mission. That is to remake Afghanistan, to improve the lives of the people there, and to set up some kind of stable government which will have at least some respect for human rights. The first mission has been reasonably succesful. The second - less so. IMHO the UN mission was doomed from the start. You can't force savages to put on suits and ties and act like civilized people. Afghanistan is only a "nation" in the technial sense. In reality its a bunch of primitive tribes with a near stone-age mentality. We should simply set up a strong man, provide him with arms, and let him take over, thus satisfying NATO's mission. Then we leave. The UN mission is hopeless.

[Smallc]

The first mission has been reasonably successful.

I have, unfortunately, heard very few assessments that agree with that. From what I have heard, the second mission has actually been more of a success than the first.

[Argus]

I have, unfortunately, heard very few assessments that agree with that. From what I have heard, the second mission has actually been more of a success than the first.

The first mission has been quite succesful. There are no major terrorist training bases in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, Pakistan has continued to deteriorate, something we can largely blame on Saudi Arabia, which began funding schools in Pakistan for religious fanatics with a violent bent decades ago. Those young students are now the mullahs and imams ranting and railing and crying out for blood and martyrdom, and persuading Pakistan's ignorant tribal men to cross the border to fight the evil Crusaders.

Edited April 10, 2009 by Argus