jdobbin Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 http://www.homelesscons.com/ For conservatives in Canada, the United States and Britain who don't feel at home in "conservative" parties. There is hope for some of the unhappy conservatives out there. John Robson, formerly of the Reform party is trying to start up a new conservative party in Canada. What conservatives here are ready to drop Harper to join it? Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 http://www.homelesscons.com/There is hope for some of the unhappy conservatives out there. John Robson, formerly of the Reform party is trying to start up a new conservative party in Canada. What conservatives here are ready to drop Harper to join it? Will you be joining? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Visionseeker Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 http://www.homelesscons.com/There is hope for some of the unhappy conservatives out there. John Robson, formerly of the Reform party is trying to start up a new conservative party in Canada. What conservatives here are ready to drop Harper to join it? Hum, is a circular firing squad beginning to form? Quote
waldo Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Hum, is a circular firing squad beginning to form? circle jerk, perhaps Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 circle jerk, perhaps no that would be a liberal feel good hobby. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jdobbin Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Posted March 31, 2009 Will you be joining? Why would I be? Quote
Moonbox Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 I checked it out but found it not so easy to navigate. It seems more like a big blog page than anything. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Progressive Tory Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) I checked it out but found it not so easy to navigate. It seems more like a big blog page than anything. Actually this is not anything new, though comments from many Conservatives reveal that they are not happy with the present Conservative Party in Canada, but feel they have no place else to go. I'd give it a look see, so long as they were strong on the conservative principles that I adhered to, like fiscal responsibility, accountability, smaller gov't and an elected senate. However, if they were instead just strong social conservatives, I'd have to pass. I firmly believe in the separation of church and state. I've bookmarked the site though and won't pass judgement until I read their platform or goals. Stephen Harper has been a huge disappointment. Edited April 3, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
85RZ500 Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 PT, go look at the Canadian Charter and read the first couple of lines. Or call your god, the Convenient Canadian and have him change it. Quote
Molly Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 What I did see was a bit too much emphasis on social conservatism. IMO, government is $ manager first and foremost. Give me a prudent, conservative manager of tax $, and the ones who seek to micromanage my life, whether by way of Leftish collectivism, or Rightish regimentation, can go to the depths of Hell and enjoy the place. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Alta4ever Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Actually this is not anything new, though comments from many Conservatives reveal that they are not happy with the present Conservative Party in Canada, but feel they have no place else to go. I'd give it a look see, so long as they were strong on the conservative principles that I adhered to, like fiscal responsibiluty, accountability, smaller gov't and an elected senate. However, if they were instead just strong social conservatives, I'd have to pass. I firmly believe in the separation of church and state. I've bookmarked the site though and won't pass judgement until I read their platform or goals. Stephen Harper has been a huge disappointment. Five posters is many conservatives? Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Moonbox Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Actually this is not anything new, though comments from many Conservatives reveal that they are not happy with the present Conservative Party in Canada, but feel they have no place else to go. I'd give it a look see, so long as they were strong on the conservative principles that I adhered to, like fiscal responsibiluty, accountability, smaller gov't and an elected senate. However, if they were instead just strong social conservatives, I'd have to pass. I firmly believe in the separation of church and state. I've bookmarked the site though and won't pass judgement until I read their platform or goals. Stephen Harper has been a huge disappointment. Interestingly enough i agree with everything you're saying here. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Argus Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 I'd give it a look see, so long as they were strong on the conservative principles that I adhered to, You have not shown, thus far, in all your many postings on a myriad of subjects, that you have now or have ever had ANY conservative principles or beliefs. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
fellowtraveller Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Actually this is not anything new, though comments from many Conservatives reveal that they are not happy with the present Conservative Party in Canada, but feel they have no place else to go. I'd give it a look see, so long as they were strong on the conservative principles that I adhered to, like fiscal responsibiluty, accountability, smaller gov't and an elected senate. However, if they were instead just strong social conservatives, I'd have to pass. I firmly believe in the separation of church and state. I've bookmarked the site though and won't pass judgement until I read their platform or goals. Stephen Harper has been a huge disappointment. Why do you continue with the pretence that you are anything but a profound Liberal hack? Do you think you are fooling anybody with this nonsense? Quote The government should do something.
Progressive Tory Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Five posters is many conservatives? I wasn't referring to the posters on the new attempt at reviving the Reform Party, just disillusionment in general. You can read it on blogs and comments at the end of on-line newspaper articles. The demise of the Conservative movement of Canada has been a hot topic lately. This is just one: The death of the Conservative agenda There's a hilarious right-wing talking point making the rounds on talk radio to explain why the Conservatives brought in a great lumbering leviathan of a left-wing budget this week: The Liberals made them do it. You can't blame the true believers for trying. After all, Jan. 27 marked the death of the Harper agenda and the end of a 21-year quest to bring genuine conservative policy to bear on this country. I can find many more but I suspect you've already read them. I wasn't talking about the five posters. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 You have not shown, thus far, in all your many postings on a myriad of subjects, that you have now or have ever had ANY conservative principles or beliefs. You obviously haven't read many of my posts. I don't believe in the silly notion of a Christian Revolution as being 'conservative'. It's a 'revolution' against most of our established institutions. Anti-Tory by any definition. I supported the PCs for most elections until they folded. The direction the Party has gone since, is a complete 180 of a fiscally conservative platform. Gov't waste, appointed senators, 'bailouts'... to name just a few. We don't really have a conservative party in Canada anymore. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 IMO, government is $ manager first and foremost. Give me a prudent, conservative manager of tax $, That's the basis of conservatism in gov't. I want a party that thinks like that. I can decide for myself on moral issues and so far haven't done half bad. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Alta4ever Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 You obviously haven't read many of my posts. I don't believe in the silly notion of a Christian Revolution as being 'conservative'. It's a 'revolution' against most of our established institutions. Anti-Tory by any definition. I supported the PCs for most elections until they folded. The direction the Party has gone since, is a complete 180 of a fiscally conservative platform. Gov't waste, appointed senators, 'bailouts'... to name just a few. We don't really have a conservative party in Canada anymore. You left long before that, that is the last 6 months, you were voting NDP since mulrooney left office. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
jbg Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 http://www.homelesscons.com/There is hope for some of the unhappy conservatives out there. John Robson, formerly of the Reform party is trying to start up a new conservative party in Canada. What conservatives here are ready to drop Harper to join it? You'd just love to see a split party again, so the Liberals can come up the middle eh? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 Actually this is not anything new, though comments from many Conservatives reveal that they are not happy with the present Conservative Party in Canada, but feel they have no place else to go.Since when have true activists ever been happy in any established party? The perfect is always the enemy of the good. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
tango Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 You'd just love to see a split party again, so the Liberals can come up the middle eh? The more the merrier! About time they learned to work with diverse groups of people who really represent the people. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
jdobbin Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Posted April 1, 2009 The more the merrier!About time they learned to work with diverse groups of people who really represent the people. Exactly. Some people rubbed their hands with glee with the Green party winning more votes and said that it would keep the Tories in power forever. Personally, I'd rather have people who were dissatisfied or felt disenfranchised in their own party. If some people who voted Conservative last election feel this way, many won't feel like voting for the other party choices. It makes more sense that they start their own party that reflects their values. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 If only there were a place for unhappy liberals... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Posted April 1, 2009 If only there were a place for unhappy liberals... There is. In power. Quote
noahbody Posted April 1, 2009 Report Posted April 1, 2009 I supported the PCs for most elections until they folded. The direction the Party has gone since, is a complete 180 of a fiscally conservative platform. In fairness, it is the direction of the minority government. If Harper governs like he has a majority, he gets criticized for it. If he provides massive bailouts that the other parties demand, he gets criticized for it. Gov't waste, appointed senators, 'bailouts'... to name just a few. We don't really have a conservative party in Canada anymore. Well, he did save billions that would have been given away with kyoto. If that isn't waste, I don't know what it. Again, if they had a majority, I doubt we'd see all the spending/waste. Every time they try to make a cut, they hate women or the Arts. And the opposition claims they'll restore funding/waste. It's a ridiculous minority government. Quote
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