Chuck U. Farlie Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 From http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home How can we have a 'Science Minister' who clearly, from his own statements, doesn't give science much credit? Quote I swear to drunk I'm not god. ________________________
M.Dancer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I think for science, even worse than being a creationist is being a chiropractor...not believing in some aspects of evolution is far less worse than being a junk science practioner....the whole story gives me a pain in the back. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Molly Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 ...........the apocalypse is upon us. Un-freaking-believeable. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
eyeball Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Hmmmm, my MP is Conservative Christian chiroquacktor too. Its a freaking cult. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
blueblood Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Hmmmm, my MP is Conservative Christian chiroquacktor too.Its a freaking cult. So? They can believe the moon is made out of freaking cheese if they want to. There is nothing wrong with having personal beliefs and being able to do your job. The funny thing among leftists is that discrimination is bad, but we're allowed to discriminate against Christians. There are laws that are in place that combat discrimination against religion. Christianity is also a religion, they get the same perks as all the rest. Another stupid thread created by a leftist tinfoil hatist. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
M.Dancer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Another stupid thread created by a leftist tinfoil hatist. Possibly...but creationism is tinfoil hat stuff and having a possible tinfoil hat wearer is case for concern.... ...surely you would question a wahhibi cleric as minister of wimmins thingies? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
guyser Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 There is nothing wrong with having personal beliefs and being able to do your job. The next Minister of Agriculture will say that rotating crops is hogwash, plant the same thing in the same spot year after year or suffer some funding cuts to farm programmes. And your reply will be "There is nothing wrong with having personal beliefs and being able to do your job" I doubt it.You are too smart for that. Quote
eyeball Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 There is nothing wrong with having personal beliefs and being able to do your job. That's just the problem though, there is serious doubt about his ability to do his job because of his personal beliefs. The funny thing among leftists is that discrimination is bad, but we're allowed to discriminate against Christians.There are laws that are in place that combat discrimination against religion. Christianity is also a religion, they get the same perks as all the rest. If you look more closely I was actually discriminating against chiropractors. Another stupid thread created by a leftist tinfoil hatist. The fact he regards his profession to be a practical application of science is a real sign of tinfoilism people should be concerned about. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 That's just the problem though, there is serious doubt about his ability to do his job because of his personal beliefs. If you look more closely I was actually discriminating against chiropractors. The fact he regards his profession to be a practical application of science is a real sign of tinfoilism people should be concerned about. You are the one who doubts his ablity to do his job, based on no facts you are just disriminating against him and his religion. You are a bigot. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Topaz Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I watched Goodyear when the committees were talking about the "in and out " scam that the Tories did with Elections Canada. He was one A** and that is the only word to described the way he high-jacked the committee so the parties couldn't asked alot of questions of the witnesses. He has a "I know better than you" attitude. Quote
Topaz Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 As I was searching difference thngs on the web, I came across this Lib website that stated that the science industry is hurting and Cnada could lose alot of our brightest researchers because of the lack of funding. http://www.liberal.ca/pdf/docs/090313_JusttheFacts_en.pdf Quote
guyser Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 You are the one who doubts his ablity to do his job, based on no facts you are just disriminating against him and his religion. You are a bigot. Thats rich, not to mention funny. Quote
Smallc Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I don't think its possible for him to do his job and believe what he believes. It's rather unacceptable. I'm sure someone else could fill this ministerial position. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) So?They can believe the moon is made out of freaking cheese if they want to. There is nothing wrong with having personal beliefs and being able to do your job. There is a freaking problem if they believe the moon is made of freaking cheese and they are responsible for funding SCIENCE. If Christians want to believe in creationism, they have my sympathy, but when it comes to politics, keep that belief to yourself. Most Canadians Pick Evolution Over Creationism (Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Many adults in Canada believe the theory of evolution is correct, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies. 59 per cent of respondents think human beings evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years. Conversely, 22 per cent of respondents believe God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years, while 19 per cent are not sure. This has nothing to do with the persecution of Christians. Most Canadians have accepted the God given talents of scientists like Charles Darwin, not some ancient scriptures that were written when many of life's mysteries were still unexplained. A lot has changed since Ben Franklin flew his kite in a lightening storm, but you wouldn't wire your house from his journals. Accept what he's given us. We are not the product of incest. Edited March 17, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
waldo Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 consistency is good! By the following linkees poll numbers, non-believer Goodblimp is just toeing the CPC party faithful line. Do you believe in evolution? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 If he understands science maybe he does not understand time and space and the eccense of quantum mechanics that is quietly mentioned in scripture. The problem with these supposed Christians is that they are idolters. They never question scripture nor do they even bother to actually give it some deep and open thought. It's garbage in and garbage out. If you are going to be a creationist or an evolutionist - you had better do the work and figure out what is going on - and see how the two theory's connect..but they don't like dumbo fundamentalists.. - If someone says that he turned water into wine - that's it! Wine...when the miracle was actually plain old fashioned water..But Romanization and romantic fancey polluted the minds of Christians from the begining and most look at it with face value - and believe everything they are told...It's ubsurd to look at a fossil on top of a mountain and say - this thing is 6000 years old - tops ----come back in 20 thousand years and that fossil will be about the same...time for Christians to open up their minds and be real thinking- God and logically endowed Christian - unless they wake up Christianity will die..because as it is - it's not the real deal. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 We are not the product of incest. Actually, scientifically, from an evolutionary viewpoint we are. Wa are all descended from a very small population who barely survived at all and it is supposed that we are all descended from one common anscestor, whom they name Eve... http://scienceandevolution.blogspot.com/20...ndrial-eve.html Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
waldo Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 You are the one who doubts his ablity to do his job, based on no facts you are just disriminating against him and his religion. You are a bigot. can/has/does religion evolve? Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I don't think its possible for him to do his job and believe what he believes. It's rather unacceptable. I'm sure someone else could fill this ministerial position. He should definitely step down. He is not representing the majority of Canadians who support Charles Darwin and Evolution. This is exactly why there needs to be a separation of church and state. Didn't the Conservatives also block the motion to honour the anniversary of Origins of the Species? I think I read something in MacLeans when I was at the dentist. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
eyeball Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 You are the one who doubts his ablity to do his job, based on no facts you are just disriminating against him and his religion. You are a bigot. Mr. Goodyear's evasive answers on evolution are unlikely to reassure the scientists who are skeptical about him, and they bolster the notion that there is a divide between the minister and the research community. No I am not a religous bigot. I am as equally justified in questioning his credentials as the research community he has alienated. I do admit to being a medical bigot though. As far as I'm concerned chiropractors are no better than witch doctors. Our local chiropractor shares a practice with an aromatherapist, a naturopath and someone who'll rub your feet and turn you into a pin-cushion. Like I said, its a cult. And now these quacks are apparently trying to infiltate the government. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Progressive Tory Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 consistency is good! By the following linkees poll numbers, non-believer Goodblimp is just toeing the CPC party faithful line. So he was part of the 2% who refuses to talk about their religion? That's fine if he leaves it at the door. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Progressive Tory Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 If he understands science maybe he does not understand time and space and the eccense of quantum mechanics that is quietly mentioned in scripture. The problem with these supposed Christians is that they are idolters. They never question scripture nor do they even bother to actually give it some deep and open thought. Scientifically speaking I think that means he's an idiot. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
waldo Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 You are the one who doubts his ablity to do his job, based on no facts you are just disriminating against him and his religion. You are a bigot. in your best non-bigoted, non-discriminating fashion, perhaps you could enlighten... what exactly does evolution have to do with religion? as for CPC Minister Goodblimp's views impacting his job, perhaps as big a question/concern relates to the overall CPC policy towards research... Researchers fear Stagnation under Tories But what the government sees as supporting priorities, others see as politics directing science. Andrew Weaver, a world leading climatologist at the University of Victoria and Canada Research Chair in climate modelling and analysis, points to new competitions run through the federal Networks of Centres of Excellence. These are to provide $5-million grants over five years for very particular projects, such as “Energy Production in the Oil Sands,” Dr. Weaver said, or “New media animation and games.” “Governments have always had a say in research, but this is getting down to micromanagement, this is really specific,” said Dr. Weaver. What is worse, he said, is that academic researchers must have an industrial partner to qualify for the grant, “so the taxpayer is being used to subsidize Canadian corporate research. “They're cutting the [basic research] funding system and also stipulating what you can do,” he said. “This is unbelievable – this is Orwellian.” Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 can/has/does religion evolve? Quite a bit. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Some devolve too apparently. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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