Alta4ever Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Prescot Bush faciltiated the arming of the Nazis. That's common knowledge. Then grandpa Bush took the profits and used them to install not one but two Presidents of America - that sounds a tad Nazi to me. Who is without sin and sinisterism in this world? Just because they are our guys does not mean they are the good guys...all commit crimes to strengthen the national tribe - problem with Bush is he does not share the booty - Hitler did - so maybe Hitler was more loyal to his nation...Bush don't give a damn...maybe privateer Nazi would be a better term. If thats the measure of a Naiz is to have traded with them before the war, then the whole damned world is nazi then. IBM conducted trade with them through out the war, but I bet you own a computer, does that make IBM nazis, does that make you a nazi for owning a computer? Bush is no more a Nazi then you are. You have just lost any credibility you may have had on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 If thats the measure of a Naiz is to have traded with them before the war, then the whole damned world is nazi then. IBM conducted trade with them through out the war, but I bet you own a computer, does that make IBM nazis, does that make you a nazi for owning a computer? Bush is no more a Nazi then you are. You have just lost any credibility you may have had on this board. Any board that grants me credibility is not a club I need to belong too. National Socialism is pure liberalism - where all the people are equal and of on national family - and on top of this utliltarian group are the elite parasites who dupe the masses and live like gods..so you are correct the whole world is Nazi - and in time ...you might realize that the Nazis did not lose the war - look at the E U - Hilters belated dream come true. Look at the attack on Iraq - It may as well been the invasion of Poland or France...there is no shame in being a Nazi - we all must be Nazis ----Ironically it was a nice Jewish lady who bought Hitler his first fancey desk ---- Jews betraying Jews - look at Israel - their leadership which is Jewish makes like hell for the rest of the not so Nazi Jews - the whole thing stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Any board that grants me credibility is not a club I need to belong too. National Socialism is pure liberalism - where all the people are equal and of on national family - and on top of this utliltarian group are the elite parasites who dupe the masses and live like gods..so you are correct the whole world is Nazi - and in time ...you might realize that the Nazis did not lose the war - look at the E U - Hilters belated dream come true. Look at the attack on Iraq - It may as well been the invasion of Poland or France...there is no shame in being a Nazi - we all must be Nazis ----Ironically it was a nice Jewish lady who bought Hitler his first fancey desk ---- Jews betraying Jews - look at Israel - their leadership which is Jewish makes like hell for the rest of the not so Nazi Jews - the whole thing stinks. You poor soul! Life must be very sad for you and hard to bear when you see no good in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Any board that grants me credibility is not a club I need to belong too. National Socialism is pure liberalism - where all the people are equal and of on national family - and on top of this utliltarian group are the elite parasites who dupe the masses and live like gods..so you are correct the whole world is Nazi - and in time ...you might realize that the Nazis did not lose the war - look at the E U - Hilters belated dream come true. Look at the attack on Iraq - It may as well been the invasion of Poland or France...there is no shame in being a Nazi - we all must be Nazis ----Ironically it was a nice Jewish lady who bought Hitler his first fancey desk ---- Jews betraying Jews - look at Israel - their leadership which is Jewish makes like hell for the rest of the not so Nazi Jews - the whole thing stinks. Just because the world does not conform to your idea utopia doesn't make the whole world nazi's. There is a fair amount of Fascist policy in different world governments like the EU and Russia, but their is a difference between facism and Nazism. Neither are good, throwing around these words to describle a world that you can't understand, does nothing to further it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Just because the world does not conform to your idea utopia doesn't make the whole world nazi's. There is a fair amount of Fascist policy in different world governments like the EU and Russia, but their is a difference between facism and Nazism. Neither are good, throwing around these words to describle a world that you can't understand, does nothing to further it. Tossing around terms that are offensive may be bothersome to you - my parents suffered under the communists and the nazis..having stated that..You say I do not understand...I understand one thing about humanity - those that are the most cruel and ruthless and heartless rise to the top - call them what you will....label them what you must - they are barbarians..the strong and heartless are willing to kill others rather than partake in mutual co-operation - call me utopian - but someone must think of a better way -so far you have failed - but of course you are educated and understand the world and I do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck U. Farlie Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Are you labeling Canadian Forces members who may seek conscientious objector status - cowards? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 If they want to take a pass they'll take a pass. Rights only determine legality. So do responsibilities but that is too often an outmoded concept in todays society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Like the French in the first world war or the russians in the first world war?It said very little about the justness and a lot about the quality of the soldiers... God help the war-mongers if it should say anything about the futility of war or the quality of the governments pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 All war is a failure ,but tyrants must be dealt with who wish to harm us or impose religious,or slavery or their ideology upon us. There is a time to fight the good fight so that our children will have the freedom that we have enjoyed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 we deport deserters because they are criminals. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Yes Not to mention stupid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Simple really. Because they are not Canadian, and they do not face any undue hardship in being returned home. That said, I understand to some degree . The men and women who sign up do so in good faith. They are promised plenty, and not all of it comes through. They sign up and in return they get an education (oh boy do they!) or could get college paid for later on. They get medical benefits among numerous other benefits promised. So contractually they need to honour it. But the sad part is, when the other parts of the contract are thrown to the wayside, who pays? Walter Reed Hospital is I am told a horrendous place to get medical aid. No one 'wants' to go there,although many do since that is their only avenue. It is old, decrepit and lacking in services. IIRC, in NC or SC the barracks are horribly mouldy, dirty and generally unfit for human use.THe toilets overflow sending cascades of shit into the lower floor. Bad enough they have to close washrooms.The recruits/enlisted men/women were promised an upgrade when they came home from Iraq, but they werent. Many said the tents they stayed in in Iraq were better. But the men and women, whom the govt keeps reminding its citizenry are the heroes, are not treated that way by those who say they are. Plenty of enlistees wounded and permenantly injured are left to fend much for themselves in order to get what they were promised. One of the complaints when this war started was a lack of equipment for the soldiers. Vests , special plates for the HV's , all sorts of items. Who paid for the lack of contractual obligations in those cases? The soldier. My point being, yes the people willingly signed up, and signed up with some degree of confidence that they would get in return what was promised. (promised being a bit hyperbolic sicnce I doubt its listed that they get mould free non overflowing toilets in the barracks) Most enlistees signed up for the job. (not all though) To abandon that and flee to another country is not what I call cowardly , just dumb. Strength is staying behind and fighting for better conditions for all. Of course you may be doing that from a cell, but its better than being labled a coward and not ever getting back into your homeland again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 ...My point being, yes the people willingly signed up, and signed up with some degree of confidence that they would get in return what was promised. (promised being a bit hyperbolic sicnce I doubt its listed that they get mould free non overflowing toilets in the barracks) Even that is too kind...no such promises are made. It is a myth created by recruiters and the general public. Deserters don't even deserve this much bandwidth...they are already dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 We deport soldiers with the courage to stand up for what is right (The war in Iraq is WRONG.) because Harper is in power with his brownnose up the US butt. Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) We deport soldiers with the courage to stand up for what is right (The war in Iraq is WRONG.) If they have courage, then they would have done their great stand (for what they believe is right) right there in the USA. They wouldn't be here hiding and cowering and asking us to get involved and fight their fight for them. Not only did they desert their duty and their own country in time of war....but they saw to embarrass it as well....plus attempt to create a tension between our countries. because Harper is in power Thanks God it's him and not that low-class Chretien and his band of merry air-brained women, who'll no doubt tap-dance on the US flag with glee! Edited January 16, 2009 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 We deport soldiers with the courage to stand up for what is right (The war in Iraq is WRONG.) because Harper is in power with his brownnose up the US butt. Nuff said. Point of order.. We are not deporting soldier who have thecourage to satnd....we are de .prting deserters without the courage to stand for their beliefs...... I can't say why they didn't want to clog the US courts with their cases instead of retreating shamefully to Canada....maybe because they are so few who were stupic enough to join an army and expect not to be in a war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Walter Reed Hospital is I am told a horrendous place to get medical aid. No one 'wants' to go there,although many do since that is their only avenue. It is old, decrepit and lacking in services.IIRC, in NC or SC the barracks are horribly mouldy, dirty and generally unfit for human use.THe toilets overflow sending cascades of shit into the lower floor. Bad enough they have to close washrooms.The recruits/enlisted men/women were promised an upgrade when they came home from Iraq, but they werent. Many said the tents they stayed in in Iraq were better. But the men and women, whom the govt keeps reminding its citizenry are the heroes, are not treated that way by those who say they are. Plenty of enlistees wounded and permenantly injured are left to fend much for themselves in order to get what they were promised. One of the complaints when this war started was a lack of equipment for the soldiers. Vests , special plates for the HV's , all sorts of items. Who paid for the lack of contractual obligations in those cases? The soldier. My point being, yes the people willingly signed up, and signed up with some degree of confidence that they would get in return what was promised. (promised being a bit hyperbolic sicnce I doubt its listed that they get mould free non overflowing toilets in the barracks) Most enlistees signed up for the job. (not all though) To abandon that and flee to another country is not what I call cowardly , just dumb. Strength is staying behind and fighting for better conditions for all. Of course you may be doing that from a cell, but its better than being labled a coward and not ever getting back into your homeland again. Well if you dislike the conditions the military faces then maybe you should vote conservative so they get the funding and equipment updates they deserve. Unlike the years of neglect they faced under both liberal and progressive governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 We deport soldiers with the courage to stand up for what is right (The war in Iraq is WRONG.) because Harper is in power with his brownnose up the US butt. Nuff said. Why is the Iraq war wrong, becasue you say so? Because the leftist bleeding heart moron media and Nacy Pelosi say its wrong? They toppled a man who acted very much like both Hitler and stalin who some of you around here seem like to compair GW to. This is man to used chmical weapons on both his own people and his enemy. This is a place were people were put to death for religious belief, and political opposition to Hussein. This dictator idolized stalin he was someone to be delt with, whether or not how the US got invovled it needed to be done, even Hans Blitz realized this, Clinton just didn't have the Balls. These people now have freedom something that they didn't have before. You better pull your brown nose out of your own butt and realize that these people are legally, and morally required to either do their job or face the consequences of it iinstead of hinding behind someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Well if you dislike the conditions the military faces then maybe you should vote conservative so they get the funding and equipment updates they deserve. Unlike the years of neglect they faced under both liberal and progressive governments. You are suggesting I didnt vote Con before huh? There isnt a party that would support what I would want them to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 You are suggesting I didnt vote Con before huh? There isnt a party that would support what I would want them to have. It is the only party that gives any support to our military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 it's most revealing to read the peacock-strutting, chest pumping, bravado championing types throw the coward label towards the American Iraq war resisters. Clearly, they must also be prepared to, in turn, throw the same coward label toward Canadian Forces members who may seek conscientious objector status. Clearly - the confirmations of same await - is that the case - is that your extended position, all you peacock-strutters, you chest pumpers? Are you labeling Canadian Forces members who may seek conscientious objector status - cowards? Yes Not to mention stupid... Great – a couple of peacock strutting, chest thumpers came forward. So, you’re troubled with Conscientious Objection (CO) overall, regardless if Canadian or American military personnel are involved. We can now recognize your more complete profiles that stand against religious, moral or ethical positions that might cause individuals to seek CO status. We can also more completely recognize your complete lack of compassion as demonstrated by your futile posturing (nee blustering) attempts to beak off about honor, cowardice and intellect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 No to face Justice that the US tax payer deserves we should not shelter or hide these cowards. The US taxpayer? F* the US taxpayer. The US taxpayer will have their way with them once we reject the refugee claim. And if non-US taxpayers on the refugee board actually believe the claimant has a case then we will shelter and hide them from the US taxpayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 The US taxpayer? F* the US taxpayer. The US taxpayer will have their way with them once we reject the refugee claim. And if non-US taxpayers on the refugee board actually believe the claimant has a case then we will shelter and hide them from the US taxpayer. That is who paid their salries that is who they contracted with. Not you not Canadians. The US Taxpayer has the right to prosecute these cowards for not fulfilling their obligation. Besides you a debt of graditude to the US taxpayer because it is they who pay for the military umbrella that protects most of the civilized world trade routes and ect. So if I were the US TAX payer I would say the same to you, F you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwind Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 The US taxpayer? F* the US taxpayer. The US taxpayer will have their way with them once we reject the refugee claim. And if non-US taxpayers on the refugee board actually believe the claimant has a case then we will shelter and hide them from the US taxpayer.Part of the problem is the refugee process is being abused by anyone who thinks there are hard done by in their country of origin. We need stricter rules on who is allowed to apply in the first place. i.e. if you come from a country democratic with a functioning court system then you cannot apply as a refugee - no exceptions. It would save canadian taxpayers a lot of money and would help ensure that real refugees have a better chance of getting their cases heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 It is the party that gives more support to our military. Fixed it for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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