bush_cheney2004 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Maybe, but the global community will know what is best for the global community. I am sure that Canada will not be the only country with that kind of attitude How convenient...Canada can hide behind NATO or the UN while it kills "the enemy" (and was never attacked), but Israel has to tow the line (pardon the pun). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterDC Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 How convenient...Canada can hide behind NATO or the UN while it kills "the enemy" Too bad they signed the pact.. I don't think the U.S. would be very happy if Canada just ignored the attack on U.S. soil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddSox Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Too bad they signed the pact.. I don't think the U.S. would be very happy if Canada just ignored the attack on U.S. soil. A lot of people seem to forget that when you make a deal with your friends, the right thing to do is follow through on it. Otherwise, you may find yourself without any friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterDC Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 A lot of people seem to forget that when you make a deal with your friends, the right thing to do is follow through on it. Otherwise, you may find yourself without any friends. Yes, see Stalin and Hitler haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddSox Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Yes, see Stalin and Hitler hahaNot really very funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterDC Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Not really very funny. I wasn't being sarcastic.. I'm serious. Canada was a founding member of NATO we shouldn't back out (obviously) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I wasn't being sarcastic.. I'm serious. Canada was a founding member of NATO we shouldn't back out (obviously) Israel has no NATO protection...it is on its own. It is very easy for sanctimonious Canadians (or Americans) to preach peace and proportionality to Israel, while both wage war around the world. Here's the punchline: Canada does it for human rights! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Maybe, but the global community will know what is best for the global community. I am sure that Canada will not be the only country with that kind of attitude So you would like the global community to tell you and all the other Ontarians what is best for the world and ignore what Ontarians and the Ontario government don't know whats best for Ontario. The regional people know and understand what is best for them, as for the World community they are just posturing, they understand and know cvery little, their are a lot of false asumptions by the general public and the world citizens, because they are not experts on these regions or their conflicts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Well said. Having Canadians a whole world away condemning Israel for doing whatever it can to protect itself is absolutely contemptible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry J. Fortin Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 The Canadian government should have a single policy in cases like this. Humanitarian aid, period. Take no political stand whatsoever. This is nothing more or less than a civil war, we should take no side as a government. Of course in my opinion Hamas are a bunch of terrorists, and I have no use or concern for them, but that is a personal opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 It is very easy for sanctimonious Canadians (or Americans) to preach peace and proportionality to Israel, while both wage war around the world.Here's the punchline: Canada does it for human rights! I'm impressed..... nice shot across the bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 There will be no peace in the middle east. Unless of course there are no more Palestinians. Or Iraqi's, Saudis, Afghans? The list is endless. However, there will be no peace in the Middle East until the West is no longer dependant on oil; Christians no longer believe that they are the 'Chosen' and the Crusades should be revisited, or the West change their foreign policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Aid Appeal - MP calls for Gaza ceasefire 6:43pm 1/5/2009 It may be half a world away - but the conflict in Gaza hasn't gone unnoticed by one Local MP. Westlock-St. Paul MP Brian Storseth is echoing the federal government's call for Israel and Hamas to agree to an immediate ceasefire. But where the government says Hamas must first end their attacks on Israeli civillians, Storseth has gone one step beyond the Government's official line saying Israel must also end their Eighteen month long Blockade of Gaza. There was an article in the Montreal Gazette citing our new junior minister for foreign affairs, saying amoung other things: “...the Canadians in Gaza would only be moved to safety if the rocket attacks "stop permanently." Asked whether that could trap them for days or months, Kent replied: "It is a war. It is a very fluid combat situation and these folks are caught in the middle of it.” http://www.montrealgazette.com/Fate+Canadi...8637/story.html Unfortunately, his allusion to “stop permanently” falls only on the Palestinian Government. “The burden of responsibility lies now with Hamas and an end to the terrorist rocketing. Israel has said — and Canada would support — an immediate ceasefire. But only if it's a permanent ceasefire, if it's a sustainable ceasefire and if it's a durable ceasefire and if Hamas doesn't — as it has in the past — use it to rearm and continue rocketing," The situation along the Gaza strip is a little more complex, and before we can take sides, the complete history needs to be considered. For our government to simply support Israeli aggression, when International Communities have urged them to stop their violence against and control over the region. We have to also bear in mind that Israel is also in conflict of International Law. http://www.mecaforpeace.org/article.php?id=267 The most recent conflict was brought about in protest of the Israel, US and European Union’s boycott against the new Hamas government, which won the January 25, 2006 elections, and Gaza has been in crisis since. We are supposedly fighting wars to bring Democracy to the Middle East but when Hamas wins a Democratic election, we say...oh, wait a minute...we didn’t mean your Democratic rights. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Hamas_wins_Palestinian_election There are many who believe that Jesus was a terrorist by our modern definitions. “He had come to save his people during a time of armed conflict. He was executed. He was a martyr....It is an angle on the life of Jesus that deserves a great deal more historical and objective study. Are a third of the worlds population following a 2,000 year old story based on an early version of Osama Bin Laden? " http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3...y_terrorist.htm l We need to know all the facts before drawing any conclusions and our government needs to rethink it’s version of Democracy. Hamass got a majority. Harper should be jealous. Edited January 7, 2009 by Progressive Tory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Canada does it for human rights! This is what our government says alright. Its easy to imlpy every Canadian says so too when you ignore the fact Canadians are given little if any say in what their government says. Ditto for Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progressive Tory Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 This is what our government says alright. Its easy to imlpy every Canadian says so too when you ignore the fact Canadians are given little if any say in what their government says.Ditto for Americans. Sadly that's true. Maybe we need to speak out more and not just accept press releases as gospel. There was an excellent interview with a former Diplomat, Michael Bell, familiar with the region: ""The imbalance of casualties in the tragic confrontation between Hamas and Israel is stark," Michael Bell, former Canadian ambassador to Israel, wrote Saturday in his Globe essay Pathless in Gaza "Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed or injured, from toddlers to the aged. Television footage suggests almost all are innocents. "Israeli spokespeople dispute that impression and speak in frigid terms of "collateral damage," meaning everything from the destruction of mosques to the loss of civilian lives. "Viewers react with outrage, as is only human. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ialComment/home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 This is what our government says alright. Its easy to imlpy every Canadian says so too when you ignore the fact Canadians are given little if any say in what their government says.Ditto for Americans. Except that there was no such implication.....just the bleeding hearts who protest mightily while bitching about high gas prices. They don't even play fake victims very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Except that there was no such implication... Of course there was, still is - you're either with us or against us - it was a Canadian who wrote that for Bush by the way. I can't say for certain but I bet Frum feels exactly the same way about Israel. You too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Israel has no NATO protection...it is on its own. It is very easy for sanctimonious Canadians (or Americans) to preach peace and proportionality to Israel, while both wage war around the world.Here's the punchline: Canada does it for human rights! And the US does it for freedom. lol indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 And the US does it for freedom. lol indeed. Yes, American freedom. nothing wrong with protecting yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Of course there was, still is - you're either with us or against us - it was a Canadian who wrote that for Bush by the way. I can't say for certain but I bet Frum feels exactly the same way about Israel. You too. That's not what he wrote....."...with us or with the terrorists" is my recollection...and it was Michael Gerson...not Frum. Frum coined the term the "Axis of Evil". Do you just make this shit up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Its easy to get shit mixed up when there's so much of it. As for Frum and Gerson...similar buckets and different shit but still shit nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Its easy to get shit mixed up when there's so much of it.As for Frum and Gerson...similar buckets and different shit but still shit nonetheless. In other words, you were clueless but couldn't help the urge to poop anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 What do you mean by "If Canada supports Israel"?Supports it more than we support Palestinians? Supports it more than we support Hamas? Supports it no matter what Israel does, ever? It's quite clear that Canada supports Israel to a very substantial extent; certainly our policies are completely preferential toward Israel compared with Hamas. That's consistent with not supporting everything Israel does, and with holding that Israel is not above criticism. Would you like Canadian troops to be in there, too, killing civilians (however innocent and pure their double-effect intentions), targeting Palestinian police officers, and bizarrely hoping to impose a moderate government by violence? For the win. Violence begets violence, every single time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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