Are you happy with Obama being elected president

[Leafless]

I think the Democrats made a terrible error nominating Obama for president initially.

Now we have an individual as president that does not represent majority U.S. White culture.

We now have an individual that will no doubt drag cultural issues into mainstream politics (like Canada) as being the main or primary focus of his term as president both at home and possibly abroad.

I think U.S. citizens made a critical error in voting for Obama.

[M.Dancer]

Now we have an individual as president that does not represent majority U.S. White culture.

Anyone want to lay bets on whether Leafless can define "Majority U.S. White Culture"?

I give 200 to 1 odds he can't do so intelligently.

[Leafless]

Anyone want to lay bets on whether Leafless can define "Majority U.S. White Culture"?

I give 200 to 1 odds he can't do so intelligently.

Majority culture on a political level would be White supremacy with control of systems that control and influence world culture and economics.

Now its your turn Dancer.

[M.Dancer]

Majority culture on a political level would be White supremacy with control of systems that control and influence world culture and economics.

Now its your turn Dancer.

Too bad I had no takers....that gibberish could have made me a bazillionaire

[Sir Bandelot]

Obama is also half-white, and was raised by white parents and grandparents. Why would he not care about white Americans. I don't see it as an issue worth worrying about.

I think he will be about the same as many other presidents before him. He will have to get support from all parties involved in order to achieve things, so in some ways he will succeed and in others he will not. But I hope that he will do good things for America and the world. It depends on how much support he gets for his ideas.

There is a cult mentality or fanaticism about politics, high emotions when people win, or lose an election. Some news showing people are crying in anger, and in joy about the Obama win. My perception is that it's much more extreme in the US than in Canada, maybe because of the longer campaigns and media hype that preys on peoples emotions. They like pick apart, analyze every aspect of their candidates lives. Compared to that, we barely know much about our leaders.

[AngusThermopyle]

Compared to that, we barely know much about our leaders.

Quite true.

However, we do know he eats kittens.

[Leafless]

Obama is also half-white, and was raised by white parents and grandparents. Why would he not care about white Americans.

Obama was a Black community activist which alone indicates he is pro-culture.

I think he will be about the same as many other presidents before him. He will have to get support from all parties involved in order to achieve things, so in some ways he will succeed and in others he will not.

This is to be forseen as Congress and the Senate is currently dominated by Democrats who more than likely would approve socialistic type political moves by Obama.

There is a cult mentality or fanaticism about politics, high emotions when people win, or lose an election. Some news showing people are crying in anger, and in joy about the Obama win. My perception is that it's much more extreme in the US than in Canada, maybe because of the longer campaigns and media hype that preys on peoples emotions. They like pick apart, analyze every aspect of their candidates lives. Compared to that, we barely know much about our leaders.

I think this is because U.S. citizens have more political freedoms in playing an important part in U.S. politics, whereas Canadians are more or less dictated to from the start to the finish.

[kengs333]

I think the Democrats made a terrible error nominating Obama for president initially.

Now we have an individual as president that does not represent majority U.S. White culture.

We now have an individual that will no doubt drag cultural issues into mainstream politics (like Canada) as being the main or primary focus of his term as president both at home and possibly abroad.

I think U.S. citizens made a critical error in voting for Obama.

So if he starts pushing his agenda too far then he turns into another GWB--I find that highly unlikely. Obama is much more savvy, and no doubt he will want to stick around for eight rather than four years.

[Kitch]

I think this is because U.S. citizens have more political freedoms in playing an important part in U.S. politics, whereas Canadians are more or less dictated to from the start to the finish.

Why do you think that?

[guyser]

Why do you think that?

Whew , whoa there kitch....asking the impossible arent you?

You know, the "think" part?

I dont why you dont just spell it out Leafless. You cant stand a half black man in power. You somehow feel slighted. Just another uppity (fill in the blank) taking from whitey.

I would bet Palin was, in your mind, a better choice?

That would be the Palin that didnt know Africa was a continent...?...and thought that South Africa was merely a region...?...that had no idea who the three countries in NAFTA?

Yes, I am happy for my American friends. They picked who they wanted, the way they wanted and I can live with that.

In fact, they dont give a shit what you think frankly. And I am included in that.

[GostHacked]

Leafless....your post sounds racist. I could be interpreting it wrong.

And when you talk about White Culture in the US, you are really talking about the white dominated power structure? And why would Obama NOT make black issues more prominant.

I think this is because U.S. citizens have more political freedoms in playing an important part in U.S. politics, whereas Canadians are more or less dictated to from the start to the finish.

Looks like the political freedoms allowed them to vote Obama.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Yes, I am happy for my American friends. They picked who they wanted, the way they wanted and I can live with that.

In fact, they dont give a shit what you think frankly. And I am included in that.

Correct....Canadians preferred to stick with Conservative Neocons.....and America can live with that too.

[M.Dancer]

Leafless....your post sounds racist. I could be interpreting it wrong.

Do ya think?

[Shady]

I'm not happy Obama was elected President. I'm fearful of a protectionist attitude, which will hurt the Canadian economy very hard.

[stevoh]

I could not be more pleased that Obama has been elected president. From what I have seen from both his history and his speeches, he attempts to find common ground and make rapid progress that way, as opposed to being blindly partisan.

He may end up choosing republicans as party of his presidential team. I have long believed that you should always choose the best person for the job at hand, regardless of affiliation. I hope to see that carried forward in Obama.

He has a tough task ahead of him, even with majorities in both the senate and the house. It will be interesting to see if the remaining republicans buy into any of his ideas and programs, or simply dig their heels in and attempt to block him at every juncture. When even McCain during his presidential bid is unable to sway house republicans to vote a certain way, it makes it hard to see how Obama could do better. Depends a lot on his choices for his presidential team I suppose.

So yes, very happy, finally there is someone in the White House who I both respect and admire.

[daniel]

We already know the predominant views of the people in this discussion forum far from represent the general population of Canada. Now we can be assured they don't represent the views of the rest of the world either.

Edited November 6, 2008 by daniel

[Alta4ever]

I could not be more pleased that Obama has been elected president. From what I have seen from both his history and his speeches, he attempts to find common ground and make rapid progress that way, as opposed to being blindly partisan.

I didn't know that shpwing up in the senate to vote present was getting things done. When has ever done anything in his career as state senator was done as concesus building? He has never even tried to work across party lines. Quit swallowing the MSM stories whole.

[stevoh]

I didn't know that shpwing up in the senate to vote present was getting things done. When has ever done anything in his career as state senator was done as concesus building? He has never even tried to work across party lines. Quit swallowing the MSM stories whole.

I base my opinion of consensus building on his history prior to the senate, and his speeches thus far. I have never heard any other democrat give George Bush as much credit as he did, and in his acceptance speech, he is clearly reaching across party lines in informing both McCain and Palin that he is going to need their, and the rest of the republican parties, help. His assigning actual republicans to his presidential team, if that happens, would be further proof of that.

I also know from his history at Harvard that he spends time to sit down and listen to the conservative point of view, even hanging out socially with the known conservative minority at the time.

I have also examined his voting record, and some of his votes definitely do not match hard left leaning priniciples, including voting AGAINST a bill that would have given law enforcement authoritiy to seize weapons without justification from citizens during a natural disaster.

I also like his common sense approach. When asked recently about a ban on sagging pants (of all things) that some towns in the US want to institute, his response was "a waste of time... having said that, a brother should learn to pull up his pants!". Its that kind of simple common sense answer that impresses me.

I am sure you will find something else to mock in this post Alta, it is your online persona. But know that my opinion is at least informed. It took a long time and a lot of reseach before I started drinking the cool aid.

[Shakeyhands]

Leafless....your post sounds racist. I could be interpreting it wrong.

No, you are quite right.

Obama is going t surprise alot of the nay sayers me thinks... we'll all get to know pretty soon.

[Alta4ever]

I base my opinion of consensus building on his history prior to the senate, and his speeches thus far. I have never heard any other democrat give George Bush as much credit as he did, and in his acceptance speech, he is clearly reaching across party lines in informing both McCain and Palin that he is going to need their, and the rest of the republican parties, help. His assigning actual republicans to his presidential team, if that happens, would be further proof of that.

I also know from his history at Harvard that he spends time to sit down and listen to the conservative point of view, even hanging out socially with the known conservative minority at the time.

I have also examined his voting record, and some of his votes definitely do not match hard left leaning priniciples, including voting AGAINST a bill that would have given law enforcement authoritiy to seize weapons without justification from citizens during a natural disaster.

I also like his common sense approach. When asked recently about a ban on sagging pants (of all things) that some towns in the US want to institute, his response was "a waste of time... having said that, a brother should learn to pull up his pants!". Its that kind of simple common sense answer that impresses me.

I am sure you will find something else to mock in this post Alta, it is your online persona. But know that my opinion is at least informed. It took a long time and a lot of reseach before I started drinking the cool aid.

What credit was given to george bush? None he like the rest of the democrats blame GWB for all of America's problems. Even though most of their problems have been compounding over time from multiple administrations.

[stevoh]

What credit was given to george bush? None he like the rest of the democrats blame GWB for all of America's problems. Even though most of their problems have been compounding over time from multiple administrations.

Take a look at his 2nd presidential debate, here is the text (emphasis mine).

You know, a lot of you remember the tragedy of 9/11 and where you were on that day and, you know, how all of the country was ready to come together and make enormous changes to make us not only safer, but to make us a better country and a more unified country.

And President Bush did some smart things at the outset, but one of the opportunities that was missed was, when he spoke to the American people, he said, "Go out and shop."

You are right, I can't think of any other democrat who has given George Bush credit for anything. But Obama specifically stated that George Bush did some smart things at the outset. So not only has he given GWB credit for doing some of the right things after 911, he also even stated that those things were smart.

And that is exactly the point. Obama is not like any other democrat I have seen. He appears to give credit where it is due regardless of who the person is who did the right thing. I respect that tremendously. And it gives me hope.

[kimmy]

I'm not happy Obama was elected President. I'm fearful of a protectionist attitude, which will hurt the Canadian economy very hard.

I'm also worried about protectionism, but I still have hope that their tough talk on trade is in reference to Mexicans and Chinese and not their buddies in Canada.

Overall, I'm ok with Obama being president. He does seems like an exceptionally bright and sincere individual. I think that he will be a good president for middle and lower class Americans. I think that he will enter the world stage with some amount of goodwill that he might be able to leverage to rebuild some amount of international cooperation in Afghanistan. I think McCain had his own strengths that would have also been beneficial on the international stage, but Obama will also have something to offer in this respect.

I am happy that so many Americans feel such joy at Obama's victory. I think that for the minorities and the poor who had so much emotional investment in Obama, this might truly be a "Change they can believe in". Sometimes symbolic things can make a real difference for people.

I think Obama will be a good president for Americans. Whether he works out as well for Canadians whose jobs depend on trade, we will have to wait and see.

-k

[Alta4ever]

I'm also worried about protectionism, but I still have hope that their tough talk on trade is in reference to Mexicans and Chinese and not their buddies in Canada.

Overall, I'm ok with Obama being president. He does seems like an exceptionally bright and sincere individual. I think that he will be a good president for middle and lower class Americans. I think that he will enter the world stage with some amount of goodwill that he might be able to leverage to rebuild some amount of international cooperation in Afghanistan. I think McCain had his own strengths that would have also been beneficial on the international stage, but Obama will also have something to offer in this respect.

I am happy that so many Americans feel such joy at Obama's victory. I think that for the minorities and the poor who had so much emotional investment in Obama, this might truly be a "Change they can believe in". Sometimes symbolic things can make a real difference for people.

I think Obama will be a good president for Americans. Whether he works out as well for Canadians whose jobs depend on trade, we will have to wait and see.

-k

My hope is that he ends up governing like bill clinton did.

I do have a fear that he will try to implement some of his more radical ideas and spend us into another depression.

[August1991]

We already know the predominant views of the people in this discussion forum far from represent the general population of Canada. Now we can be assured they don't represent the views of the rest of the world either.

I happen to be doubtful of Obama as leader since I don't know what he'll do. It seems to me that many. many people agree with him merely because he's a black guy, and different.

At the same time, Obama seems to be adept at being all things to all people. To some, he has a white grandmother. To others, he's a young black radical. A child of mixed parents, both who abandoned him, I suspect that Obama has spent a lifetime trying to fit in.

Obama is Zelig, or kitsch. Each of us can see in him what we want to see.

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Pierre Trudeau had a similar mixed origin but he gave great thought to who he was before seeking political office. He understood what this meant in a Canadian context. I fear that Obama is a neophyte on such issues.

For better or worse, I don't see Obama as a black man (how he is presented) but rather I see him as the product of a mixed marriage.

Edited November 7, 2008 by August1991

[Pliny]

Well, I was pretty wrong in thinking he wouldn't get elected. I thought Kerry would win in 2004, too. I thought Kerry was too socialistic and America agreed with me that time but this time they embraced the rhetoric.

Of course, I am not happy. He never said much about what he would do but there was a lot of rhetoric about what he wanted to GIVE to American citizens, which must come from somewhere, and of course the only place he can get what he wants to give has to be taken from the pockets of American citizens. He has confused "money" with wealth as have many economists and money managers. Oh, money used to be equivalent to wealth but now it has become only a record of accounting, a token, an anemic shell of it's former self. It has become it's own shadow. It fulfills nothing in itself and places confidence of the people in the personality of government and thus the only store of wealth rather than the people having any confidence in money itself as a store of wealth.

Anyway, I believe there is quite a bit of angst on the part of those who did not vote for him because he never said much in his rhetorical orations about what he would do or how he would accomplish what he wanted. Those that bought the line will have to wait and see as well. Whatever it is I'm sure it's gonna take "money".