An Ontario Party?

[kengs333]

Does Ontario need its own party?

Ontario is probably the most cosmopolitan and diverse province in Canada, and supports all of the major parties (many would vote Bloc if they could), tends to vote based more on the party's policy rather than regional concerns, etc. But it's clear that the country has become mired in regionalism, and that Ottawa is giving the province the shaft now that Ontario's economy is in decline and is losing manufacturing jobs at an alarming rate. Since Ontario is divided among the three parties, would it not be best if a united populist party existed instead to represent Ontario's concerns in Parlaiment?

[OddSox]

Why not, Toronto already has it's own party.

Edited October 22, 2008 by Charles Anthony
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[kengs333]

Okay, whatever... It is a serious suggestion, though. When we have the West and Quebec being represented by regional parties, and the Liberals the de facto regional Party in the Martimes now, it would onlt seem reasonable that Ontario be represented by a party--whether it's a new one, or the Greens makes no difference...

[William Ashley]

I've started the roots of a party platform I've been working on for about 10 years. Called the Social Party.

I wouldn't call it an Ontario Party so much though. I think that the provinces should be represented federally through inter governmental affairs, and the senate.

I also feel that a house of lords of sort including populist member that is they garner votes federally for a seat, not just from a riding - sort of like the idea of a president (although not how it is represented) but basically the top handful of vote getters would have seats in the house, the others would hold their votes for voting on issues a type of upper house above the senate - and including the senate. and cabinet. and a few other tweaks.

Although the senate does have regional representation by proportion, as far as a party.. I'm very anti party.. I think that what is good for ontario should be good for the rest of Canada because it is the overall benefit that matters, it has its branches.

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[drewski]

if we're just going to allow our political ssystem to degenerate into a collection of regional parties (more then they already are), then we might as well break up the country cause nothing will ever be accomplished

[Moonbox]

The best way for Ontario to get a fair shake is to make it a campaign issue during an election. Vote for a party that is going to help Ontario out. The Liberals and Tories will always be in contention for your vote so if enough Ontarions are vocal about it the promises and pledges will start flying.

Ontario got the rawest deal of all under the Liberals. This is why the vote has swung so dramatically away from them.

[Leafless]

Ontario is probably the most cosmopolitan and diverse province in Canada

It is for this reason a regional party will most likely never be successful.

If a regional party did spring up out of the ground, national federal parties would be first to shoot it down with claims of trying to break up Canada.

Another reason is, Ontarians it appears, vote with one hand on their wallets which means supporting a regional party could be risky.

Your idea is similar to my thoughts on a regional party being developed and I would without question support a regional party.

Edited October 20, 2008 by Leafless

[noahbody]

When we have the West and Quebec being represented by regional parties,

Regional party in the West?

[kengs333]

Regional party in the West?

Correct.

[kengs333]

It is for this reason a regional party will most likely never be successful.

If a regional party did spring up out of the ground, national federal parties would be first to shoot it down with claims of trying to break up Canada.

Another reason is, Ontarians it appears, vote with one hand on their wallets which means supporting a regional party could be risky.

Your idea is similar to my thoughts on a regional party being developed and I would without question support a regional party.

I agree with all of your points.

[Alta4ever]

I've started the roots of a party platform I've been working on for about 10 years. Called the Social Party.

I wouldn't call it an Ontario Party so much though. I think that the provinces should be represented federally through inter governmental affairs, and the senate.

I also feel that a house of lords of sort including populist member that is they garner votes federally for a seat, not just from a riding - sort of like the idea of a president (although not how it is represented) but basically the top handful of vote getters would have seats in the house, the others would hold their votes for voting on issues a type of upper house above the senate - and including the senate. and cabinet. and a few other tweaks.

Although the senate does have regional representation by proportion, as far as a party.. I'm very anti party.. I think that what is good for ontario should be good for the rest of Canada because it is the overall benefit that matters, it has its branches.

I thought you said you weren't partisan? Whats this?

[noahbody]

Correct.

I guess you mean west of Newfoundland.

[kengs333]

I guess you mean west of Newfoundland.

"the West" as opposed to "west" tends to refer to the Prairie provinces and BC.

[Mr.Canada]

Better call it the Toronto party as the rest of Ontario is conservative for the most part.

[Moonlight Graham]

if we're just going to allow our political ssystem to degenerate into a collection of regional parties (more then they already are), then we might as well break up the country cause nothing will ever be accomplished

agreed. Regional parties are B.S. Parties like the Bloc do nothing but divide Canadians.

[William Ashley]

if we're just going to allow our political ssystem to degenerate into a collection of regional parties (more then they already are), then we might as well break up the country cause nothing will ever be accomplished

They are called proviences.. AND they really should be integrated at the federal level, such as giving the Priemiers right to speak in the commons or senate. Or the special upper house I've suggested with the cultural lords, cheif justices etc.. all with speaking and question rights in public.. a house of lords for caanda.. including the presidents (queens special council on canada re: popular people) council, judicature, preimiers cabinet etc..

Edited October 22, 2008 by William Ashley

[M.Dancer]

WTF are cultural lords and popular people?

[noahbody]

"the West" as opposed to "west" tends to refer to the Prairie provinces and BC.

Well, there isn't one, unless you and Dr. Brown have travelled back to the year 2000.

[JerrySeinfeld]

That's just what this country needs: another have not province showing up in parlaiment with it's nose in the government trough! YAY!

This topic is just another veiled attempt at - yet again - stealing from the west. I think I'd have more respect for central Canadians if they just sent quebecois lawyers (ie. primeministers) to Alberta every April 30 in a tank equipped with a big trailer for the cash he steals.

Why don't we all just face reality and change the name of our country to

"BCALBERTAANDSEVERALBABIESSUCKLINGONTHETEET"

A bit long, but if the shoe fits...

[William Ashley]

WTF are cultural lords and popular people?

on a national level and not for life unless they were really good.

I'll explain in more detail

I propose two new houses of parliament be created.

The House of Lords, and the council of representatives.

The house of lords - popular people / cultural lords.. are people who are voted in on a federal level.. the top x number of people (how many seats can fit in a room of a good size and accomodate absences of those not in attendance and so on) on a basis of total vote received - not on a basis of riding vote. These people would be able to vote on a basis of vote received, casting their vote to act as the other houses of parliament- and acting as possible cabinet members.

The other house or house of representatives would be composed of all people who run for election --- they would vote on a basis of votes received. Essentially this house would be non paid or perhaps paid on a basis of option either they get paid based on the number of votes they receive as a type of stipend, and tax deductions and not for profit donations to a certain limit.

Understand?

THe popular people are only one class of cultural lords, there would be others like a seat for each of the heads of religion speaking rights, and one for each of the preimers, and lt. govenors, supreme court justices and cabinet etc.. on maters of note.. it would serve as the house of lords, people who abstained from voting would be able to lay petitions for perousal to the houses also.

Edited October 22, 2008 by William Ashley

[William Ashley]

also I don't propose those without seats not be able to vote, only that there be a seating based on number of people represented, with some standing room, and a list of petitions provided in various classes... this would insure all people have voice not just 1 person from each riding. The people are running for a reason.

People would be able to pool their votes to insure someone get a seat or pool their votes to insure someone be able to speak on a given day

with a few wildcards each day

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these in additon to the commons and senate

Edited October 22, 2008 by William Ashley

[William Ashley]

That's just what this country needs: another have not province showing up in parlaiment with it's nose in the government trough! YAY!

This topic is just another veiled attempt at - yet again - stealing from the west. I think I'd have more respect for central Canadians if they just sent quebecois lawyers (ie. primeministers) to Alberta every April 30 in a tank equipped with a big trailer for the cash he steals.

Why don't we all just face reality and change the name of our country to

"BCALBERTAANDSEVERALBABIESSUCKLINGONTHETEET"

A bit long, but if the shoe fits...

Hey Mr ignorant why not look at this list.. look who provides the most money to canada

Ontario &0000000000436762.000000436,762 42.31 &0000000000493126.000000493,126 41.46 &0000000000056364.00000056,364 35.80

Quebec &0000000000218626.000000218,626 21.18 &0000000000242039.000000242,039 20.35 &0000000000023413.00000023,413 14.87

Alberta &0000000000123250.000000123,250 11.94 &0000000000152670.000000152,670 12.83 &0000000000029420.00000029,420 18.69

Wow it seems ontario and quebec outstrip Alberta... 3x's the ammount of alberta actually.

[William Ashley]

BC actually is higher than alberta.. alberta is #4 for GDP contributions after ontario quebec and bc

of course if mr harper has his way with destroying the ontario and quebec economies alberta may be #2

but really that isn't humanly possible even for an inept like harper

also BC would maybe poll a little hire if the grey market was counted..

Edited October 22, 2008 by William Ashley

[noahbody]

BC actually is higher than alberta.. alberta is #4 for GDP contributions after ontario quebec and bc

You need to include a link when you use stats. Here's yours I believe. If you look at it Alberta is higher than BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canad...omestic_product

[noahbody]

Hey Mr ignorant why not look at this list.. look who provides the most money to canada

He should have said bcalbertasasktario. They're the ones that give money to canada.