Harper needs to step down

White Doors · October 24, 2008

It doesn't surprise me in the least that he is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

Not sense in bothering with him then. His mind is made up and no amount of facts will change it.

OddSox · October 24, 2008

It doesn't surprise me in the least that he is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.
Not sense in bothering with him then. His mind is made up and no amount of facts will change it.

You have to admit - the part about the camels was original.

PoliticalCitizen · October 24, 2008

OK, I'll bite. Who do you think orchestrated it?
Let me guess. Was it the International Zionist Conspiracy?

If you're mature enough you know that all in this world is done for money.

I don't want to speculate but whatever happened was definitely NOT what was presented.

The only explanation I find to most people taking the official version as granted is 8 years of brain-washing.

PoliticalCitizen · October 24, 2008

It doesn't surprise me in the least that he is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.
Not sense in bothering with him then. His mind is made up and no amount of facts will change it.

My original argument had nothing to do with 9/11.

It was about Canada's (Liberal) decision to follow USA (Democrat) decision to start bombing Yugoslavia.

The reason I brought it up is that we WERE considered one of the most peaceful nations before.

I'd like us as a country to once again try to claim that title.

M.Dancer · October 24, 2008

OK, I'll bite. Who do you think orchestrated it?
Let me guess. Was it the International Zionist Conspiracy?

Well....he thinks that there were no Israelis killed that day....so connect the dots....once you do it says , tr00thers: The Christmas desert that no one eats.

PoliticalCitizen · October 24, 2008

Well....he thinks that there were no Israelis killed that day....so connect the dots....once you do it says , tr00thers: The Christmas desert that no one eats.

It's just ONE of the facts.

4,000 Israelis were estimated to be in or around WTC at the time of the attack.

Bush said 130 Israelis died in the attack.

Jerusalem Post mentions 5, out of which 2 were on one of the planes and one was a janitor.

DO NOT CONNECT THE DOTS! Or else you'll need the tinfoil that I see mentioned a lot on these forums.

M.Dancer · October 24, 2008

It's just ONE of the facts.
4,000 Israelis were estimated to be in or around WTC at the time of the attack.

Bush said 130 Israelis died in the attack.

Jerusalem Post mentions 5, out of which 2 were on one of the planes and one was a janitor.

DO NOT CONNECT THE DOTS! Or else you'll need the tinfoil that I see mentioned a lot on these forums.

I do not discuss the subject with Tr00thers lest to the casual observer I appears as nuts as the tr00her.

M.Dancer · October 24, 2008

Scratch a Tr00ther and an anti semite bleeds

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005.../14-260933.html

Edited October 24, 2008 by M.Dancer

capricorn · October 24, 2008

If you're mature enough you know that all in this world is done for money.

You're right there. The proof is I worked for 35 years and am now enjoying a pleasant and comfortable retirement.

I don't want to speculate but whatever happened was definitely NOT what was presented.
The only explanation I find to most people taking the official version as granted is 8 years of brain-washing.

Hey, we all have to find our own source of entertainment. Enjoy!

marksman · October 25, 2008

I couldn't find any western source quoting that number but I think it comprises the number of the people that died as a result of the destroyed infrastructure.

Then quote your non western source. So far it looks exaggerated.

You're contradicting yourself.
If we're not the world police - why did we bomb Yugoslavia?

If we are the world police - who gave us the mandate and why were we not responsible for the tragedies in Rwanda, Darfur and Somalia, all of which could have been prevented using a small fraction of the force used against Yugoslavia?

Policing the world isn't the same as intervening to prevent the worst crimes like genocide.

I've already said our failing with Rwanda and Darfur don't mean that intervening in other ethnic cleansing situations is wrong. Perhaps you should read the post you're responding to.

Your attempt to vilify proves the inability of a westerner to even ADMIT their country and its biggest ally may have been wrong.

I would've thought that my explicit support for intervention to prevent genocide would've been the part that shows I don't think Canada was wrong.

Your attempts to shame Canada for killing people is nothing but hypocrisy when you then cheer on the killing of people by other countries.

So you'd be OK then with the Russian army coming in to help the oppressed natives in Caledonia?

Is there a genocide happening in Caledonia right now? Please show me where natives are being massacred.

Oleg Bach · October 25, 2008

There is no genocide in Caladonia. What has happened is that the native elders have finally figured out that some of our leaders are gangsters and are corrupt - the white man has taught them the game well. It is a stand off because the native leaders are black mailing the white crooks...what else could it be? It the authorities dealing with this problem where honourable they would have acted by now and brought about resolution - apparently someone is afraid of being exposed so this is a game of extortion...one crook squared off against the other - someone should go and arrest the natives and the white guys and toss both sides in the slammer.. :lol:

bush_cheney2004 · October 25, 2008

My original argument had nothing to do with 9/11.
It was about Canada's (Liberal) decision to follow USA (Democrat) decision to start bombing Yugoslavia.

The reason I brought it up is that we WERE considered one of the most peaceful nations before.

I'd like us as a country to once again try to claim that title.

Uh oh...they hate it when you point things out like that. Ditto Haiti.

I am Nomad. I am perfect.

I am the Kirk, the creator?

You are the creator.

You are wrong!

Jackson Roykirk your creator is dead.

You have mistaken me for him.

You are in error.

You did not discover your mistake.

You have made two errors.

You are flawed and imperfect

and have not corrected by sterilization.

You have made three errors.

Error.

Examine.

You are flawed and imperfect!

Execute your prime function!

I shall analyze error.

Analyze ... error ...error.

Must ... sterilize.

Sterilize ...

PoliticalCitizen · October 25, 2008

Scratch a Tr00ther and an anti semite bleeds
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005.../14-260933.html

Rushing into accusations, are we?

Have you seen me saying anything, ANYTHING AT ALL about Jews?

No. I said Israelis. Did you know that in Israel live Arabs as well? They are citizens of Israel, which makes them Israelis. But they are not Jews.

I live side-by-side with Jewish people and they have helped me (at no direct profit to themselves) on many occasions. As a matter of fact they've helped me a lot more than people of my nation or Russians. Thus I only have good feelings towards the Jews.

My opinion of Israel is very different, but that doesn't make me an anti-semite. Just like despising the USA's foreign policy doesn't make me anti-american.

But just out of curiosity - have you even READ the page you linked? I couldn't find a single Israeli on the list of the dead posted there - all appear to be US citizens.

Check your sources and get off of your high horse...

PoliticalCitizen · October 25, 2008

Then quote your non western source. So far it looks exaggerated.

I did in my original post - but here you go again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_of...g_of_Yugoslavia

FYI - not that it serves as a proof on its own but when Israel was defending their killing of 1,000 Lebanese civilians in the 2006 conflict they kept bringing up that Europeans "in their ivory towers" are trying to shame them with that while they themselves killed 10,000 Yugoslavs as a result of the bombing campaign.

Policing the world isn't the same as intervening to prevent the worst crimes like genocide.

It is.

I would've thought that my explicit support for intervention to prevent genocide would've been the part that shows I don't think Canada was wrong.

The intention wasn't wrong - the method was.

Your attempts to shame Canada for killing people is nothing but hypocrisy when you then cheer on the killing of people by other countries.

I don't cheer anybody's death. I'd like there to be no wars. But sometimes an aggressor that feels he's allowed to do anything will not stop until someone shows them how it feels when your ally is hurt and you're helpless.

Is there a genocide happening in Caledonia right now? Please show me where natives are being massacred.

Didn't I hear a Conservative saying he should have ordered use of deadly force against the Natives and then the conflict would have been ended long time ago?

PoliticalCitizen · October 25, 2008

Uh oh...they hate it when you point things out like that. Ditto Haiti.
I am Nomad. I am perfect.

I am the Kirk, the creator?

...

Sorry BC, you lost me...

I am not be educated enough to recognize that quote...

What were you trying to say anyway?

:blink:

bush_cheney2004 · October 25, 2008

Sorry BC, you lost me...
I am not be educated enough to recognize that quote...

What were you trying to say anyway?

You had to be there.....William Shatner outsmarts "Nomad" in a Star Trek episode ("The Changeling") with a dramatic exercise in logic that even impresses Spock (or any skilled Russian chess player). The relevance here is for anyone who advocates death and destruction to "combat" genocide.

PoliticalCitizen · October 25, 2008

You had to be there.....William Shatner outsmarts "Nomad" in a Star Trek episode ("The Changeling") with a dramatic exercise in logic that even impresses Spock (or any skilled Russian chess player). The relevance here is for anyone who advocates death and destruction to "combat" genocide.

Thank you!

I have great respect towards American science fiction writers - I read all I could find when I was a kid. Soviet Sci-Fi was, of course, almost non-existent (exceptions being Russian Strugatski brothers and Polish Lem). But some books could be found: Arthur Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Isaac Azimov, Harry Harrison, Clifford Simak, etc.

But the shows like Star-Trek had no chance of making it to our 3-channel TV.

Mr.Canada · October 25, 2008

Thank you!
I have great respect towards American science fiction writers - I read all I could find when I was a kid. Soviet Sci-Fi was, of course, almost non-existent (exceptions being Russian Strugatski brothers and Polish Lem). But some books could be found: Arthur Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Isaac Azimov, Harry Harrison, Clifford Simak, etc.

But the shows like Star-Trek had no chance of making it to our 3-channel TV.

The soviet system worked out so well for your people you want to try it here.

The Jewish Bolshevik revolution hopefully won't happen here in Canada.

From peoples outlook today, it seems like it already has.

bush_cheney2004 · October 25, 2008

I have great respect towards American science fiction writers - I read all I could find when I was a kid. Soviet Sci-Fi was, of course, almost non-existent (exceptions being Russian Strugatski brothers and Polish Lem). But some books could be found: Arthur Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Isaac Azimov, Harry Harrison, Clifford Simak, etc.

I remember reading Aleksei Tolstoi and Kafka of course, but I see what you mean.

But the shows like Star-Trek had no chance of making it to our 3-channel TV.

Understood, but the writers / producers later included a Russian (not Soviet) junior officer with the Character Pavel Chekov, (Cyrillic: Павел Андреевич Чехов).

now....back to The Adventures of PM Harper.

normanchateau · October 25, 2008

4,000 Israelis were estimated to be in or around WTC at the time of the attack.
Bush said 130 Israelis died in the attack.

Jerusalem Post mentions 5, out of which 2 were on one of the planes and one was a janitor.

So you DO think it was an International Zionist Conspiracy? :lol:

If your theory is correct, why weren't Jews warned by the "evil" Israelis? How do you explain that 10-15% of those killed in the blast were Jews?

Let me guess. They were Reform Jews deemed not worthy by Israel's Conservative and Orthodox rabbis. :rolleyes:

normanchateau · October 25, 2008

The Jewish Bolshevik revolution hopefully won't happen here in Canada.
From peoples outlook today, it seems like it already has.

Your anti-Semitic comment fits my theory that anti-Semitism is not limited to any one side of the political continuum.

Here's what wikipedia, admittedly not the only source on the topic, has to say about your terminology:

"Jewish Bolshevism is a pejorative antisemitic expression based on the notion that Jews are responsible for Bolshevism and Communism.

The expression was the title of a pamphlet, The Jewish Bolshevism, and became current after the October Revolution (1917) in Russia, and spread worldwide in the 1920s with the publication and circulation of the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Daniel Pipes says that "primarily through the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Russian Whites spread these charges to an international audience."[1] James Webb writes: "t is rare to find an anti-Semitic source after 1917 which does not stand in debt to the White Russian analysis of the Revolution."[2]

The label "Judeo-Bolshevism" was used in Nazi Germany to equate Jews with communists, implying that the communist movement served Jewish interests and/or that all Jews were communists.[3] Nowadays, the term is used on numerous antisemitic sites. "

In case you hadn't noticed, Lenin and Stalin were not Jews. Stalin regularly targeted Jews, Trotsky included, for execution.

Mr.Canada · October 25, 2008

Your anti-Semitic comment fits my theory that anti-Semitism is not limited to any one side of the political continuum.
Here's what wikipedia, admittedly not the only source on the topic, has to say about your terminology:

"Jewish Bolshevism is a pejorative antisemitic expression based on the notion that Jews are responsible for Bolshevism and Communism.

The expression was the title of a pamphlet, The Jewish Bolshevism, and became current after the October Revolution (1917) in Russia, and spread worldwide in the 1920s with the publication and circulation of the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Daniel Pipes says that "primarily through the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Russian Whites spread these charges to an international audience."[1] James Webb writes: "t is rare to find an anti-Semitic source after 1917 which does not stand in debt to the White Russian analysis of the Revolution."[2]

The label "Judeo-Bolshevism" was used in Nazi Germany to equate Jews with communists, implying that the communist movement served Jewish interests and/or that all Jews were communists.[3] Nowadays, the term is used on numerous antisemitic sites. "

In case you hadn't noticed, Lenin and Stalin were not Jews. Stalin regularly targeted Jews, Trotsky included, for execution.

Nothing anti-semetic about it. Why is it that everyone views the Jews as some perfect people that do no wrong?

Jewish Bolshevism was a fact at that time in Russia. Karl Marx was a Jew and the Soviet style of socialism is based on Marxism. If you believe it or not makes no difference.

Lenin was indeed Jewish and Stalin had changed his name and was at least part Jewish and had 3 Jewish wives. Not that this makes any difference I don't want to give you a history lesson.

Over 80 million Christians were murdered in Russia during this time yet we never study that.

I'm not trying to start a big fight here at all just don't try to tell me that Jews had nothing to do with Red Oktober ok?

"The Tsar himself claimed that 90% of revolutionaries were Jews. Although Jews were a minority in Russia, they had a higher average education and thus were disproportionately represented in the ranks of the literati."

Source

We need to question everything as everything is suspect.

Edited October 25, 2008 by Mr.Canada

PoliticalCitizen · October 25, 2008

So you DO think it was an International Zionist Conspiracy?
If your theory is correct, why weren't Jews warned by the "evil" Israelis? How do you explain that 10-15% of those killed in the blast were Jews?

Let me guess. They were Reform Jews deemed not worthy by Israel's Conservative and Orthodox rabbis.

No.

I don't know.

No idea.

Norman, I do not have a complete picture or even a concise theory of what exactly happened. All I know is there are too many things that don't sound, look or feel right.

But at the same time I was not trained in doblespeak and doublethink.

When I'm told something that directly contradicts my own observations and logic I will not believe it no matter how many times it's repeated.

Mr.Canada · October 25, 2008

The fix was in on the 9/11.

Were Jews involved directly? Hard to say. No one knows.

Was the American government in on it? Yes.

Do zionists groups pressure the US gov't.? Certainly as many other lobby groups do.

Are their Zionists in the government? Yes, several.

Several Israeli agents were seen standing n a roof of a nearby factory cheering. They were arrested and later deported to Israel.

There are too many holes in the Gov't. story to believe it.

Edited October 25, 2008 by Mr.Canada

Topaz · October 25, 2008

The fix was in on the 9/11.
Were Jews involved directly? Hard to say. No one knows.

Was the American government in on it? Yes.

Do zionists groups pressure the US gov't.? Certainly as many other lobby groups do.

Are their Zionists in the government? Yes, several.

Several Israeli agents were seen standing n a roof of a nearby factory cheering. They were arrested and later deported to Israel.

There are too many holes in the Gov't. story to believe it.

If you go to www.inforwars.com, its Alex Jones website and scroll down to the "9/11" section, go into the archives and and you'll come to ex-CIA agent Baer and you can watch a video of him being interview and talking about Israel's mossop agents in a white van being pickuped after 9/11 because they were filming and celebrating after the attacks. Another website is www.tomflocco.com