Disenchanted with Liberals, Conservatives & NDP?

[PoliticalCitizen]

To all major parties the "Environment" is just a card that they play during the election to quickly forget and dismiss right after they get in the office.

They set unrealistic deadlines to implement ephemerial "measures" that are ridiculous compared to the industrial havoc wrecked by our society on Mother Earth.

The only party that will not step away from the environmental issues are the Greens, as this is the main goal of their party.

And even though it is true that they have a minimal chance of getting in because of our archaic "riding" system - it will at least show the ruling government how important is protecting our world for Canadians.

Sick of empty promises (Kyoto), smog, car-centric architecture?

It is time to take action

Edited September 29, 2008 by PoliticalCitizen

[Moonbox]

FPTP is not archaic in a federation. It's used for a reason. Just because you don't understand or refuse to doesn't make it the wrong system to use.

[Oleg Bach]

To all major parties the "Environment" is just a card that they play during the election to quickly forget and dismiss right after they get in the office.

They set unrealistic deadlines to implement ephemerial "measures" that are ridiculous compared to the industrial havoc wrecked by our society on Mother Earth.

The only party that will not step away from the environmental issues are the Greens, as this is the main goal of their party.

And even though it is true that they have a minimal chance of getting in because of our archaic "riding" system - it will at least show the ruling government how important is protecting our world for Canadians.

Sick of empty promises (Kyoto), smog, car-centric architecture?

It is time to take action

Left - right - centre...don't mean a thing..there is no leadership - other than Harper - and Harper has the full support of the old and new buisness community..and to be pramatic and brutal about that reality - who ever controls the money supply controls the nation. Politics and the judicary for that matter is simply and plainly theatre meant to amuze the masses.. Layton does not have a clue how the system works and Dion and McGinty are just happy to be on stage like little boys who are president of the science club back in grade 5.

[PoliticalCitizen]

FPTP is not archaic in a federation. It's used for a reason. Just because you don't understand or refuse to doesn't make it the wrong system to use.

We are all witnessing the results of the FPTP system (2006):

Bloq Quebequois: Popular Vote = 10.48% (All of it in Quebec, of course); Seats = 51

Green Party: Popular Vote = 4.48% (All over Canada); Seats = 0

So whomever interests are represented by the results they are obviously NOT the interests of the majority of voters...

But I'm not trying to change the system in this thread - just raise awareness of the Green alternative.

[capricorn]

But I'm not trying to change the system in this thread - just raise awareness of the Green alternative.

My awareness was raised when I heard May release her party's platform this morning on CTV. The Green party would raise the GST to 6% and return us to traveling by railroad en masse. When asked by a reporter whether she had ever smoked weed she replied no and apologized for it. That apology should soothe those who support the Greens just because of their policy to decriminalize marijuana.

I can't wait for the debates to see her in action again, when her turn to speak is limited by a timer.

[Oleg Bach]

My awareness was raised when I heard May release her party's platform this morning on CTV. The Green party would raise the GST to 6% and return us to traveling by railroad en masse. When asked by a reporter whether she had ever smoked weed she replied no and apologized for it. That apology should soothe those who support the Greens just because of their policy to decriminalize marijuana.

I can't wait for the debates to see her in action again, when her turn to speak is limited by a timer.

Pot - coke - booze and pharma product sold in bulk to addicted welfare types at the taxpayers expense is all bad - Green is a person who grew up with mud between their toes and can keep a plant alive and maybe grow a garden with success - the power to give live though love - does the green party love me? I doubt it - my brother is green and hates my guts!

[PoliticalCitizen]

My awareness was raised when I heard May release her party's platform this morning on CTV. The Green party would raise the GST to 6% and return us to traveling by railroad en masse. When asked by a reporter whether she had ever smoked weed she replied no and apologized for it. That apology should soothe those who support the Greens just because of their policy to decriminalize marijuana.

I can't wait for the debates to see her in action again, when her turn to speak is limited by a timer.

Oh, the lady speaks FAST...

Railroads are almost non-existent in North America - most cargo is shipped via trucks and most travellers choose a car. To change this would require a change in mentality and a huge momentum, but without changes like that all talk about a "Greener economy" and "Enviro-friendly society" is just that - talk...

[Rovik]

A couple of comments in regards to what has been said in this thread.

First, the NDP has pushed the FPTP for a long time now but the Liberals, Conservatives and the Bloc have been against (because they know they if they did, they would lose seats..so they are more concerned about their own well being instead of democracy in Canada as a whole.)

Second, re: the Green's carbon tax plan. How about the people in the colder sections of the country that have no choice but to use a lot of oil to keep their houses warm (and this includes many low-income families as well.) How can they cut back; the answer is that they can't, therefore they will be hit hard by a carbon tax. Secondly, a big part of this plan seems to be pushing public transit. This would be great if you lived in a city that had public transit but if one lived in a smaller town that didn't; then you would have no choice but to drive. Let's face it; if Canada had the climate of Florida, maybe this might be a good plan (some aspects anyway) but we live in the North and we have to use energy to stay warm in the Winter. And I'm wondering if this plan excludes gas or not?

I had to laugh when she mentioned she will be doing railway whistlestops across the country from Halifax to Vancouver. Guess she forgot that Newfoundland was part of the country. To be fair, there is no railway on the island of Newfoundland anymore but if they advocate the rebuilding of the Newfoundland railway, (which I tell you won't be cheap,) well so be it. Of course, the Greens may have given up on Newfoundland as the Greens want to ban the seal hunt which is a very unpopular stance here. Most of the ridings here have parachuted Greens running as they can't find anyone local who wants to represent them.

Edited September 17, 2008 by Rovik

[Topaz]

My awareness was raised when I heard May release her party's platform this morning on CTV. The Green party would raise the GST to 6% and return us to traveling by railroad en masse. When asked by a reporter whether she had ever smoked weed she replied no and apologized for it. That apology should soothe those who support the Greens just because of their policy to decriminalize marijuana.

I can't wait for the debates to see her in action again, when her turn to speak is limited by a timer.

I also saw her and her apolozing was a joke of hers. She said she rather have the police use their time with more importants things than marijuana smokers but still it is the law.

[Oleg Bach]

A couple of comments in regards to what has been said in this thread.

First, the NDP has pushed the FPTP for a long time now but the Liberals, Conservatives and the Bloc have been against (because they know they if they did, they would lose seats..so they are more concerned about their old well being instead of democracy in Canada as a whole.)

Second, re: the Green's carbon tax plan. How about the people in the colder sections of the country that have no choice but to use a lot of oil to keep their houses warm (and this includes many low-income families as well.) How can they cut back; the answer is that they can't, therefore they will be hit hard by a carbon tax. Secondly, a big part of this plan seems to be pushing public transit. This would be great if you lived in a city that had public transit but if one lived in a smaller town that didn't; then you would have no choice but to drive. Let's face it; if Canada had the climate of Florida, maybe this might be a good plan (some aspects anyway) but we live in the North and we have to use energy to stay warm in the Winter. And I'm wondering if this plan excludes gas or not?

I had to laugh when she mentioned she will be doing railway whistlestops across the country from Halifax to Vancouver. Guess she forgot that Newfoundland was part of the country. To be fair, there is no railway on the island of Newfoundland anymore but if they advocate the rebuilding of the Newfoundland railway, (which I tell you won't be cheap,) well so be it. Of course, the Greens may have given up on Newfoundland as the Greens want to ban the seal hunt which is a very unpopular stance here. Most of the ridings here parachuted Greens running as they can't find anyone local who wants to represent them.

Greens are selfishly conservative liberal extremist - they do not really want to ban the seal hunt - they want to ban traditional manhood and hetrogay the populace into riding baby blue bycycles and drink chlorine out of clay gups carried in a fanny pack - Greens are all bitter folks that hated mainstream politics because they really don't like people - and to re-wild the world for the sake of letting nature thrive is actually a ruse for genociding those they can not control.

[PoliticalCitizen]

A couple of comments in regards to what

Second, re: the Green's carbon tax plan. How about the people in the colder sections of the country that have no choice but to use a lot of oil to keep their houses warm (and this includes many low-income families as well.) How can they cut back; the answer is that they can't, therefore they will be hit hard by a carbon tax. Secondly, a big part of this plan seems to be pushing public transit. This would be great if you lived in a city that had public transit but if one lived in a smaller town that didn't; then you would have no choice but to drive. Let's face it; if Canada had the climate of Florida, maybe this might be a good plan (some aspects anyway) but we live in the North and we have to use energy to stay warm in the Winter. And I'm wondering if this plan excludes gas or not?

Here's an article that explains the Carbon Tax:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...080609/20080609

BC has it in effect since 1st July 2008. Norway and Sweden have their carbon taxes since early 90's.

Edited September 17, 2008 by PoliticalCitizen

[DrGreenthumb]

Here's an article that explains the Carbon Tax:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...080609/20080609

BC has it in effect since 1st July 2008. Norway and Sweden have their carbon taxes since early 90's.

The greens are a WASTED vote. There have no policies that are as good as the NDP's, and will not even win a seat so they will have no voice in parliament. The NDP was advocating legalization and regulation long before the green party, and has always been the party that speaks out on environmental issues. A vote for the greens might as well be a vote for Harpers theo-cons.

[PoliticalCitizen]

The greens are a WASTED vote. There have no policies that are as good as the NDP's, and will not even win a seat so they will have no voice in parliament. The NDP was advocating legalization and regulation long before the green party, and has always been the party that speaks out on environmental issues. A vote for the greens might as well be a vote for Harpers theo-cons.

I disagree. A vote for the Greens is a vote for the Greens. Reducing our society's pollution footprint is the first (and almost only) thing on their agenda.

To all other parties the environmental issues are just a card in the election game.

NDP vote could be called a WASTE as well - most ridings are predominantly Liberal or Conservative.

[betsy]

May was interviewed on CPAC today. Yes, she'll raise the GST.

And yes, her green plan is similar to the Green Shift because according to her, the Liberals copied her plan.

[marksman]

Reducing our society's pollution footprint is the first (and almost only) thing on their agenda.

And that's the problem with the Greens isn't it? They're a 1 dimensional party. No matter how much you care for the environment governing a country takes more than an environmental policy. What I've so far read from them on any issue that isn't environmental doesn't convince me they'd be a good choice to vote for.

[PoliticalCitizen]

And that's the problem with the Greens isn't it? They're a 1 dimensional party. No matter how much you care for the environment governing a country takes more than an environmental policy. What I've so far read from them on any issue that isn't environmental doesn't convince me they'd be a good choice to vote for.

They are supposed to be a "Nature Uber Alles" party. At this point or in the near future they have no chance of being the ruling or the opposition party. But they need to get in to represent the people to whom preserving our planet is above politics.

Overall, they are a true Federal Party, unlike BQ who are really one-issue: Quebec. But I guess Canadians got used to BQ because Quebec is "special". It is time to open our minds to the green alternative.

[August1991]

Vote for the Green Party and you vote for one of the crazy people who believes that the US government is responsible for 9/11:

Here is a list of questions that need answers:

Why was the FBI investigation of hijackers shut down?

Why were military response stand down orders issued?

Why were distracting war games set up on 9/11 of all days?

Why did building 7, not attacked at all, collapse like controlled demolition?

Ottawa South Green Party

The Green Party is still a fringe party and it has attracted fringe candidates.

I would not vote for such people. Democracy is too precious.

Edited September 18, 2008 by August1991

[M.Dancer]

Vote for the Green Party and you vote for one of the crazy people who believes that the US government is responsible for 9/11:Ottawa South Green Party

The Green Party is still a fringe party and it has attracted fringe candidates.

I would not vote for such people. Democracy is too precious.

I hate tr00thers...

[marksman]

Vote for the Green Party and you vote for one of the crazy people who believes that the US government is responsible for 9/11:Ottawa South Green Party

The Green Party is still a fringe party and it has attracted fringe candidates.

I would not vote for such people. Democracy is too precious.

1 candidate doesn't necessarily represent the whole party. Reform, Conservative Alliance and Conservative Party all fought these same accusations.

[August1991]

1 candidate doesn't necessarily represent the whole party. Reform, Conservative Alliance and Conservative Party all fought these same accusations.

Only one?

NEW GLASGOW – The Green Party has announced that John Shavluk will not be the candidate for the party in Newton—North Delta, following revelations that he made comments in 2006 on an online discussion forum that could be construed as anti-Semitic.

Green Party

And these are the ones that have come to light so far. As long as the Greens don't receive any votes, no one cares who their candidates are. But if they rise in the polls, they'll come under more scrutiny.

For the moment, the Greens are getting a free ride because in general, people vote for them thinking that they're "voting for the environment".

[PoliticalCitizen]

Vote for the Green Party and you vote for one of the crazy people who believes that the US government is responsible for 9/11:Ottawa South Green Party

The Green Party is still a fringe party and it has attracted fringe candidates.

I would not vote for such people. Democracy is too precious.

At least they have the balls to say these things openly, as opposed to sharing them on obscure websites.

Their aim is PEACE, one of the means of achieving it is by attacking the reason used to start WARS.

[PoliticalCitizen]

I hate tr00thers...

People usually hate something or someone they are afraid of...

[M.Dancer]

People usually hate something or someone they are afraid of...

Raving idiots scare me....

[nbguyca]

To all major parties the "Environment" is just a card that they play during the election to quickly forget and dismiss right after they get in the office.

They set unrealistic deadlines to implement ephemerial "measures" that are ridiculous compared to the industrial havoc wrecked by our society on Mother Earth.

The only party that will not step away from the environmental issues are the Greens, as this is the main goal of their party.

And even though it is true that they have a minimal chance of getting in because of our archaic "riding" system - it will at least show the ruling government how important is protecting our world for Canadians.

Sick of empty promises (Kyoto), smog, car-centric architecture?

It is time to take action

Why in the world would you base a vote for anyone on one single issue?? That just boggles my mind.

[PoliticalCitizen]

Only one?

Green Party

And these are the ones that have come to light so far. As long as the Greens don't receive any votes, no one cares who their candidates are. But if they rise in the polls, they'll come under more scrutiny.

For the moment, the Greens are getting a free ride because in general, people vote for them thinking that they're "voting for the environment".

Let's follow your link:

NEW GLASGOW – The Green Party has announced that John Shavluk will not be the candidate for the party in Newton—North Delta, following revelations that he made comments in 2006 on an online discussion forum that could be construed as anti-Semitic.

I've made a lot of comments that may be construed as a lot of things... Steven Harper and George Bush (he's the best) made a lot of idiotic comments...

This means nothing.