eyeball Posted February 25, 2008 Report Posted February 25, 2008 (edited) Secondly, a clear lesson I learned in the museum was that outside forces that tend to divide people up inside their country are unbelievably counterproductive. In other words, people came from other countries -- I guess you'd call them colonialists -- and they pitted one group of people against another.George Bush He must be on drugs or be some kind of lefty or something. Whenever I say this sort of thing I'm usually accused of being a conspiracy nut or 5th columnist, a revisionist or on the bong or something. What are you supposed to say to something like this? Edited February 25, 2008 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jbg Posted March 2, 2008 Report Posted March 2, 2008 He must be on drugs or be some kind of lefty or something. Whenever I say this sort of thing I'm usually accused of being a conspiracy nut or 5th columnist, a revisionist or on the bong or something.What are you supposed to say to something like this? That unless the target country poses a threat to Western life or safety Western involvement is counterproductive. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Army Guy Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 Perhaps your title should read why the US is not involved in Darfur....aside from giving us another chance to piont our fingers at the current US adminstration....but while we are at it lets ask ourselfs why we are not involved in Darfur....and is our case as strong as we think it is ? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
UShaditComing Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 Oh boy, a military type! Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
Army Guy Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 "Military Type" You make it sound like that a bad thing, like something you catch in a public washroom. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
UShaditComing Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 "Military Type" You make it sound like that a bad thing, like something you catch in a public washroom. I don't have any special love for the military because I know that they aren't fighting for my country. They are fighting to back US aggression and if they think otherwise then they have been duped. I've been there and done that and I know how the gungho emotions of people in the military are played on. And then the other large per centage of people in the military are people who can't cut it on civvy street because they didn't go to school for very long. Which are you? I could already make a pretty educated guess based on your trouble with spelling words that are bigger than macaroni. Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
M.Dancer Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) I . And then the other large per centage of people in the military are people who can't cut it on civvy street because they didn't go to school for very long. Which are you? I could already make a pretty educated guess based on your trouble with spelling words that are bigger than macaroni. Or words like per centage (sic)? Edited March 11, 2008 by M.Dancer Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Army Guy Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 I don't have any special love for the military because I know that they aren't fighting for my country. I'm begining to think you don't have a love for anything thats not in your tiny circle... I've been there and done that and I know how the gungho emotions of people in the military are played on. So really what your saying is that if my beliefs and values do not fall under yours i'm being played....that i'm incapable of forming my own opinion. And then the other large per centage of people in the military are people who can't cut it on civvy street because they didn't go to school for very long. WOW, whats next, anyone living in a trailer park is on welfare, those kind of remarks could be considered some what racist don't you think....Been slapped around alittle on the forums so nows your chance to strike back, pick on the army guy...... So thats your measure of a person if you can hack it out civy street your a genius, i guess ...then your the man...you must hold some very important job, high up on the food chain, why don't you let some uneducated military "TYPE" in on your secret....how'd you do it... Which are you? I could already make a pretty educated guess based on your trouble with spelling words that are bigger than macaroni Another qualification, for success you need to spell.... damn, and big words like macaroni....shit thats one i should have down pat as it's the only one i can afford....wait a minute let me check my T-4, whoops that can't be right i'm an uneducated grunt, that can't spell.... But the last time i checked the forum rules it says nothing about education levels, or being able to spell....nor does it say we have to measure dick size in order to have an opinion or comment on a public forum....So why does your opnion count more than mine? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
UShaditComing Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 I'm begining to think you don't have a love for anything thats not in your tiny circle...So really what your saying is that if my beliefs and values do not fall under yours i'm being played....that i'm incapable of forming my own opinion. WOW, whats next, anyone living in a trailer park is on welfare, those kind of remarks could be considered some what racist don't you think....Been slapped around alittle on the forums so nows your chance to strike back, pick on the army guy...... So thats your measure of a person if you can hack it out civy street your a genius, i guess ...then your the man...you must hold some very important job, high up on the food chain, why don't you let some uneducated military "TYPE" in on your secret....how'd you do it... Another qualification, for success you need to spell.... damn, and big words like macaroni....shit thats one i should have down pat as it's the only one i can afford....wait a minute let me check my T-4, whoops that can't be right i'm an uneducated grunt, that can't spell.... But the last time i checked the forum rules it says nothing about education levels, or being able to spell....nor does it say we have to measure dick size in order to have an opinion or comment on a public forum....So why does your opnion count more than mine? Did you have something to say? Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
UShaditComing Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 Or words like per centage (sic)? If you pick up on the incorrect break in the word percentage then you know what I'm talking about. And don't try to dance with me on spelling or you'll get slapped down on that too pretty boy. Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
M.Dancer Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 Anyone for a small pool? Just pick a date you think the above will be suspended..... Mine is march 16th Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 If you pick up on the incorrect break in the word percentage then you know what I'm talking about. And don't try to dance with me on spelling or you'll get slapped down on that too pretty boy. Just seems to me that someone who criticizes someone's spelling, who happens to be a long time and respected member of this forum and uses it as an insult should be a little more careful. Glass houses and all. That and considering you posts are rifled with typos and errors I am led to believe that as a troll you are either a pompous fool or a clueless idiot. On the other hand, it might not be an either or proposition. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
guyser Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 Anyone for a small pool? Just pick a date you think the above will be suspended..... Mine is march 16th small pool...shallow end...intended? Sure. I need another pool to enter.My "Ice Out" pool is complete, I picked April 20th. I say....hmmm.....March 18th, since no one gets the boot on a weekend. At least from what i have seen. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 Did you have something to say? Why don't you start with the orginal question, i asked "why is'nt Canada involved in Darfur"... or do i have to lead off with a personal attack your call. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
UShaditComing Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 I'm saying March 27 for sure and I can even give you the time. But right now why not start a thread on it and I promise I won't complain for the personal vendetta against me for voicing my opinion. You might even want to name the grounds on which the suspension will happen. At the moment I can't say because I see no grounds which I would be more guilty of than any others. In fact I think that my posts at the moment are far less in violation of forum rules than the personal attacks of you and some others. If picking up on a post which was just barely readable by commented on the motivation for some people to go to the military is bad in your estimation then it shows me your desperation. Do you want to clean things up? I'm more than willing but the nickname and the signature stay or I go by my own choice. The rest is negotiable and in fact it would be my preference to clean up the bad behaviour. Anti-war and anti-US aggression of course are not part of the bad behaviour. Any takers? Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
Army Guy Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 If picking up on a post which was just barely readable by commented on the motivation for some people to go to the military is bad in your estimation then it shows me your desperation. Does it, desparation is a double edged sword, and it looks like your trying to make a reputation on the backs of others....as for me hey i'm a big boy slam away....as for barly readable, you made out just fine....i'll work on the spelling you work on your people skills. Do you want to clean things up? I'm more than willing but the nickname and the signature stay or I go by my own choice. The rest is negotiable and in fact it would be my preference to clean up the bad behaviour. Anti-war and anti-US aggression of course are not part of the bad behaviour. Now your some gun slinger for hire, going to clean out your little town here, hell i'll do it for free....i'll lock up all them mis spelling , war mongering, little bastards.... you get what you sow, nothing more nothing less.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
UShaditComing Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 Does it, desparation is a double edged sword, and it looks like your trying to make a reputation on the backs of others....as for me hey i'm a big boy slam away....as for barly readable, you made out just fine....i'll work on the spelling you work on your people skills.Now your some gun slinger for hire, going to clean out your little town here, hell i'll do it for free....i'll lock up all them mis spelling , war mongering, little bastards.... you get what you sow, nothing more nothing less.... Duhhhhhhhhh! Have a nice day. Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
Army Guy Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 what did you expect....that we would all fall to your feet, and give thanks to the gods for sending you....you don't want to debate anything you want to climb up on the stool and be heard....OK your turn is over...time to step down....we heard you...come back when you want to debate.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonlight Graham Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 That unless the target country poses a threat to Western life or safety Western involvement is counterproductive. Bingo. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Cameron Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 My brother was in university before he decided to enroll and go to Afghanistan. He said (university) was boring and full of hippies that don't get off campus much. I agree. He didn't kill anyone over in Afghanistan, btw, but lost some good buddies to the cowardice of IED's. Hope you are enjoying your safe streets UShaditcoming. Quote Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26 I want to earn money and keep the majority of it.
UShaditComing Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 My brother was in university before he decided to enroll and go to Afghanistan. He said (university) was boring and full of hippies that don't get off campus much. I agree. He didn't kill anyone over in Afghanistan, btw, but lost some good buddies to the cowardice of IED's. Hope you are enjoying your safe streets UShaditcoming. IED's are not a show of cowardice in my opinion. They are the means which the freedom fighters in Iraq have at their disposal. I would question bombing civilians from 30,000' would be closer to cowardice. And I think that most of the freedom fighters would be equal to the task if they had to go hand to hand with American military as long as they had the same fighting equipment. I think that is where the American cowardice would become apparent. There is really no reason to call the freedom fighters cowards other than it suits your biased views. I also have to wonder what motivated your brother. Was it boredom and a need to go kill people for excitement or was he motivated to fight for his country and honourable reasons such as that? Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
Cameron Posted March 11, 2008 Report Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) I find it interesting, people like you. Your profile is empty. No location, nothing really much about you. Hiding behind the internet.... 1) These same "freedom" fighters are the same people that go into markets with ordinary people and blow themselves up, killing children and women "to make a point". How nice. 2) The US bombs from above because it's their(our) competitive advantage. They do not target civilians on purpose, but as with war, sometimes the inevitable happens. 3)My brother joined the military because it was something that he enjoyed, he wanted to fight for his country, and wanted to kill some Taliban because they are a bunch of tossers. 3) If you stop reading at the Daily Kos, you will find that there is some progress being made over in Iraq and Afghanistan and that our soldiers actually do care about what they are doing and that it's not all about killing. 4) IED's are cowardice because they are left under some road somewhere for anyone to hit. Faceless killing. 5)They are NOT freedom fighters because they are fighting for misguided religious beliefs. Edited March 12, 2008 by Cameron Quote Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26 I want to earn money and keep the majority of it.
UShaditComing Posted March 12, 2008 Report Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) I find it interesting, people like you. Your profile is empty. No location, nothing really much about you. Hiding behind the internet....1) These same "freedom" fighters are the same people that go into markets with ordinary people and blow themselves up, killing children and women "to make point". How nice. 2) The US bombs from above because it's their(our) competitive advantage. They do not target civilians on purpose, but as with war, sometimes the inevitable happens. 3)My brother joined the military because it was something that he enjoyed, he wanted to fight for his country, and wanted to kill some Taliban because they are a bunch of tossers. 3) If you stop reading at the Daily Kos, you will find that there is some progress being made over in Iraq and Afghanistan and that our soldiers actually do care about what they are doing and that it's not all about killing. 4) IED's are cowardice because they are left under some road somewhere for anyone to hit. Faceless killing. 5)They are NOT freedom fighters because they are fighting for misguided religious beliefs. What have freedom fighters and personal attacks against me got to do with fighting in Darfur. If you want to wage a personal attack against me then start a thread and I'll complain to the moderators about you. Or if you want to know more about me then start a thread in the appropriate place and I will tell you more about me. And if you want to talk about religion being misguided then start a thread in the religion section and I will tell you why I agree with you. If you want to talk about 90% of US bombs being unguided and being dropped indiscrminately on Iraq then start a thread on US bombing tactics. Edited March 12, 2008 by UShaditComing Quote When the US stops killing them over there they will stop killing Americans over here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Posted March 12, 2008 IED's are not a show of cowardice in my opinion. They are the means which the freedom fighters in Iraq have at their disposal. I would question bombing civilians from 30,000' would be closer to cowardice. And I think that most of the freedom fighters would be equal to the task if they had to go hand to hand with American military as long as they had the same fighting equipment. I think that is where the American cowardice would become apparent. There is really no reason to call the freedom fighters cowards other than it suits your biased views. Ah, so purposely killing civilains is good for freedom fighters? Check. I also have to wonder what motivated your brother. Was it boredom and a need to go kill people for excitement or was he motivated to fight for his country and honourable reasons such as that? More hate for military personnel. Check. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Cameron Posted March 12, 2008 Report Posted March 12, 2008 Another point. When your "freedom fighters" kidnap Korean Red Cross workers and hold them for ransom where the only payment option is a troop and personal withdrawal......those are the type of people that you "support". Why don't you be our representative over in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas in Northern Pakistan....you can do some negotiation with the Taliban and their kind... I'll be watching for your video on LiveLeak. Quote Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26 I want to earn money and keep the majority of it.
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