Conservative attack ads

[msj]

Um, guys, throw Leafless onto your ignore list and move on.

Nothing to see here.....

[Borg]

Oh you are so full of it. Most of Canada is liberal in social values and slightly conservative in fiscal values (in that they don't like to spend more than they have). You have no idea what you're talking about.

Do not be too sure of this my idealistic student friend who has not been anywhere on his own yet.

You have not got the experience to even come close to making that judgement

Borg

[Leafless]

You think the CBC is run by the Liberal government.

It is a left-wing Liberal organization:

From post #39:

QUOTE

Political patronage at the CBC is so deeply entrenched almost all current CBC Board members have affiliations to the Liberal government.

89% of appointees have been affiliated with the governing political party.

The same applies to the CRTC.

87% of appointees to the CRTC were affiliated with the governing party

https://www.friends.ca/press-release/160

But, as you've acknowledged, there is no Liberal government. With no Liberal government to run the CBC, you must therefore believe the CBC to be dormant.

You are hallucinating:

CBC Ombudsman Admits Liberal Bias

After a disgusting article by Heather Mallick was published by the CBC, Ombudsman Vince Carlin responds to her work and admits a leftwing bias at the taxpayer subsidized CBC.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6308691/CBC-Ombu...ts-Liberal-Bias

You complain that the CBC is a propaganda distributor for Liberal governments.

The CBC is an over opinionated left-wing Liberal television broadcaster.

You complain that the CBC won't be a propaganda distributor for a Conservative government. State broadcasters airing government propaganda is the domain of fascist states. Ergo, you support the use of fascist tactics so long as it is by a Conservative government.

Political television commercials are not anymore fascist as in comparison to the political 'fun fest' we witness in ' the House of Commons question period'.

[g_bambino]

You are hallucinating.

Am I?

[T]he CBC has political affiliations with the Liberal government.

CBC has always been a mouthpiece for socialist government propaganda.

I detest the CBC as a state broadcaster being a mouthpiece for Liberal social fascist.

[T]he present government is a Conservative one. You want the CBC to air Conservative attack ads.

Absolutely!

So, according to you: State broadcaster airing Liberal government propaganda = bad. State broadcaster airing Conservative government propaganda = good. You support fascism as long as it is of the conservative brand.

[Smallc]

Do not be too sure of this my idealistic student friend who has not been anywhere on his own yet.

Well Canadians certainly aren't a bunch of social conservatives.

[Leafless]

So, according to you: State broadcaster airing Liberal government propaganda = bad. State broadcaster airing Conservative government propaganda = good. You support fascism as long as it is of the conservative brand.

What we are talking about is the broadcasting of paid political television commercials by a subsidized state broadcaster who also accepts paid commercials.

Paid political commercials does not constitute an authoritarian hierarchical government but full time programming with many programs dedicated to Liberal left-wing views and ideologies does support left-wing views and ideologies of a Liberal government.

But if you want to maintain your position that I think Liberal government propaganda=bad and Conservative propaganda is good, then the only solution is the creation of another separate state government broadcaster and one dedicated to Conservative right-wing views and ideologies.

Edited June 10, 2009 by Leafless

[g_bambino]

Paid political commercials does not constitute an authoritarian hierarchical government.

Unless those ads are being run by the same government that owns the broadcaster.

[Leafless]

Unless those ads are being run by the same government that owns the broadcaster.

As a crown corporation, the CBC operates at arm’s length (autonomously) from the government in its day-to-day business. The corporation is governed by the Broadcasting Act of 1991, under a Board of Directors and is directly responsible to Parliament through the Department of Canadian Heritage. General management of the organization is in the hands of a President, who is appointed by the Prime Minister.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broa...ing_Corporation

Obviously, if what you say is true, the CBC could be due for changes in management that are more favorable to Conservative ideologies, just as CBC management was favourable for the Liberals and unfortunately, it seems, still is.

[g_bambino]

Obviously, if what you say is true, the CBC could be due for changes in management that are more favorable to Conservative ideologies, just as CBC management was favourable for the Liberals and unfortunately, it seems, still is.

No, that would only be the case if the CBC were actually used as a distributor of government propaganda. As you've noticed, with disappointment, it is not.

[kimmy]

The CBC does not air political ads outside of election campaigns. End of story, case closed.

Seems fair to me.

Some of the other stuff going on in this thread is kind of head scratching, though... Liberal supporters' holier-than-thou attitude toward attack ads for one thing.

Harper & Co. deliver REPUBLICAN STYLE attack ads on TSN, tune in there then.

Three words for you... "Choose your Canada."

US style attack ads... on televisions... in Canada... we did not make this up.

Or maybe because the ad, even by political, is a travesty. If I were in a debate, and my interlocutor started using the kind of dishonest out-of-context quoting the Tories used, I'd walk off the stage. For a party supposedly filled with all these God-loving Christians, they sure don't mind being a bunch of immoral b*st*rds.

And for you, just one URL... "stephenharpersaid.ca" ...it's a parking space for ads nowadays, but every fan of out of context quotes remembers what the site used to contain.

And this one...

Maybe you should read True Patriot Love. Ignatieff as is Canadian as me...and a bit more so than some others it seems. Everyone makes mistakes on their positions because non of us are perfect. I didn't hopd the Prime Ministers positions against him, until he started lying about every idea that Canada was founded upon.

Just hoping you can clarify for me... when you say Harper "started lying about every idea that Canada was founded upon" ... can you be specific? Are you referring to the actual historical facts of our country, or are you referring to the fake national identity Pierre Trudeau dreamed up in the 1970s and 80s?

-k

[Smallc]

Stephen Harper owns a dragon..... The Liberal Party. Let's see how badly we can lose this thing....and they did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2E-r7MKNzU

Of course...this is just as true:

They're both kind of funny when you look at them now.

[normanchateau]

CBC is a Liberal politically correct organization which protects Liberal ideologies.

So why did Stephen Harper increase the amount of taxpayer funds supporting the CBC?

"We looked at all the programs and reallocated those and then increased the funds for the Canadian arts and increased the funds for the museums and actually the CBC, you may be surprised."

— Stephen Harper, English language leaders' debate, Oct. 2, 2008

Did Harper lie when he claimed to increase CBC funding, is he trying to turn the CBC into a Conservative organization or is he just so out of touch and incompetent that he doesn't know about the evils of the CBC?

[Topaz]

I say let the Tories run their ads and they will reaffirm how low they can go and besides, they haven't anything good to say about themselves so what's left.........attack ads!

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I say let the Tories run their ads and they will reaffirm how low they can go and besides, they haven't anything good to say about themselves so what's left.........attack ads!

They should be allowed to say anything they want within the limits of the law, just like everyone else.

[jdobbin]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politi...article1204745/

A pervert in a plaid shirt is luring a child in a park, but the Bloc Québécois will not do anything to stop him, the Conservative Party says in a new round of attack ads.

The message, which was sent at taxpayers' expense in every single Bloc riding, features a blurry picture of a small boy leaving a park with an older man. The two are walking hand-in-hand, and a nearby kiddy swing is empty.

“Your Bloc MP has voted against the protection of children,” the tag line states.

Looks like the Tories are up to their old tricks. Let's see how it affects them in the polls in Quebec.

[Alta4ever]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politi...article1204745/

Looks like the Tories are up to their old tricks. Let's see how it affects them in the polls in Quebec.

Really your going to try with this are you? I know for a fact that both NDP and Liberal MP's send out ten percenters as well to ridings not of thier own.

Funny to see you try to spin the political game, this is Canadian politics, and what is being done today, is old news as it has all been done before.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Alta4ever

[jdobbin]

Really your going to try with this are you? I know for a fact that both NDP and Liberal MP's send out ten percenters as well to ridings not of thier own.

And they are in the gutter like this?

[Alta4ever]

And they are in the gutter like this?

Yes

[Shady]

The hard-hitting Conservative campaign aims to highlight the fact the Bloc was the only party last April that voted against a bill imposing minimum sentences for the trafficking of children, in matters such as prostitution rings

The Globe And Mail

So the Bloc votes against minimum sentences for the trafficking and prostitution of children, and in Dobbin's world, the Tory's are the bad guys. Unbelievable.

Unfortunately, when Dobbin is considered, it's quite believable.

[CAMP]

And they are in the gutter like this?

This is a disturbing attack ad, as most are. Sad really.

We do need to tighten up the sentencing for this type of crime, and other crimes in general, but this is really sad.

Conservatives of any type should be ashamed of how their party is propagating this type of stuff.

Conservatism is coming to be known as political bullies. They remind me of a bunch of drunks, who don't know anymore when they've crossed the line. It's this sort of political propaganda that just turns people off from voting or bothering with politics anymore. I will continue to distance myself from them because of this attitude.

Our political scene in Canada needs a raising of the bar big time.

[noahbody]

Is it Tim Powers' agency that's behind all these genius ads? I mean how many dumb campaigns can you have in a row?

The Bloc explains that it voted against Bill C-268 because it prevents judges from exesrcising their discretion.

What discretion is necessary in child trafficking?

[jdobbin]

Yes

Really? You have seen flyers that accuse the other parties of supporting pedophiles.

I think this is going to hit the Tories square on the chin.

[jdobbin]

So the Bloc votes against minimum sentences for the trafficking and prostitution of children, and in Dobbin's world, the Tory's are the bad guys. Unbelievable.

The view from the BQ and one shared by some legal experts is that judges should have more discretion in sentencing. The Tories frame the question as just about pedophiles.

Unfortunately, when Dobbin is considered, it's quite believable.

Forgive me if I warn you and your right friends in advance that this is not likely going to over well in Quebec. Believe it.

And then what will you? Show some anti-French Canadian venom?

[jdobbin]

What discretion is necessary in child trafficking?

That the judge may give a higher sentence?

[CAMP]

Really? You have seen flyers that accuse the other parties of supporting pedophiles.

I think this is going to hit the Tories square on the chin.

You are right dobbin this is going to hurt there chances in Quebec and even in other provinces. They must have a group of idiots dreaming up these ads. Pretty much going to see the Block keep it's support now maybe even improve. Blue dummies.