bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 Curious storyline....why is the man's "race" germane to this fatal TASER incident in Vancouver? ...The man, a Caucasian in his 40s, was yelling, sweating profusely, throwing chairs and pounding on windows, according to police. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 It's not but whether a criminal or victim is Caucasian, South Asian, Oriental etc is a normal part of reporting in these parts for some reason. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Posted October 15, 2007 (edited) It's not but whether a criminal or victim is Caucasian, South Asian, Oriental etc is a normal part of reporting in these parts for some reason. OK....the CBC storyline seems to have purposely edited that description out of the story. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/...4/bc-taser.html Could just be a "style guide" difference for the media outlet. Any editor worth his/her salt is hip to the issue of "race" in such reporting. Edited October 15, 2007 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 The difference is probably that CTV quoted the police press release while the CBC edited it for its own particular view of political correctness. I don't know that there is any particular rule concerning this. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Posted October 15, 2007 The difference is probably that CTV quoted the police press release while the CBC edited it for its own particular view of political correctness. I don't know that there is any particular rule concerning this. No rule...but media outlets have style guides for these sort of things based on complaints and contemporary standards. If race is not relevant to the story, most media organizations avoid any such reference, although they can make such descriptions indirectly. Of course, police releases have much less concern for such things. The CBC knows from experience that police Tazing a visible minority has longer legs as a story. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Topaz Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 The taser gun has its purpose but the people they taser that die shouldn't have been taser because of known or unknown health problems. Since the police can't know this, maybe the taser should be retired!! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 Since the police can't know this, maybe the taser should be retired!! Yeah...let's go back to just shooting and clubbing the criminals. -------------------------------------------- Here's an oldie but a goodie...half of the family dying, other half pregnant. ---Col Henry Blake Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Leafless Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 The taser gun has its purpose but the people they taser that die shouldn't have been taser because of known or unknown health problems. Since the police can't know this, maybe the taser should be retired!! Hyped up control freaks don't stand a chance when zapped with a taser, they have already worn their bodies down to nothing in their fit of rage. Its not the taser but the character or nature of these control freaks that kills them dead. I have witnessed this several times, when a loser refuses to lose in an altercation. Quote
Wilber Posted October 17, 2007 Report Posted October 17, 2007 No rule...but media outlets have style guides for these sort of things based on complaints and contemporary standards. If race is not relevant to the story, most media organizations avoid any such reference, although they can make such descriptions indirectly. Of course, police releases have much less concern for such things.The CBC knows from experience that police Tazing a visible minority has longer legs as a story. It's pretty common to mention race when describing victims or perps in this corner of Canada. Whether it is relevant or not is left for the public to decide, as it should be. Can't speak for the rest of the place. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Posted October 31, 2007 OK...first rule for hot news video...make a copy or e-mail the video file before complying with the RCMP's request: Pritchard agreed to lend the RCMP his camera and the high-quality footage. But now they won't return his property because they say the video may taint witness accounts in their investigation. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
buffycat Posted October 31, 2007 Report Posted October 31, 2007 OK...first rule for hot news video...make a copy or e-mail the video file before complying with the RCMP's request:Pritchard agreed to lend the RCMP his camera and the high-quality footage. But now they won't return his property because they say the video may taint witness accounts in their investigation. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories I imagine the camera and memory chip will be accidented somehow. There must be something on there that the RCMP really don't want anyone to see. Welcome to Canada! Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
Wilber Posted October 31, 2007 Report Posted October 31, 2007 I imagine the camera and memory chip will be accidented somehow. There must be something on there that the RCMP really don't want anyone to see.Welcome to Canada! The investigation is being carried out by the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team made up of several local police forces, not by the RCMP alone. I believe the head of IHIT is a member of the Delta police force. Pritchard says they promised to return it within 48 hrs. If so, he should have got it in writing. He will eventually get his video back but it may be awhile. BC is right, make a copy before you surrender it or be prepared to wait. They need a warrant to seize video from the news media, I assume a private individual would be no different. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted October 31, 2007 Report Posted October 31, 2007 In fairness to the investigators, I can see how they wouldn't want to release it at least until they have finished interviewing witnesses, out of fear it could taint their evidence. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Shakeyhands Posted October 31, 2007 Report Posted October 31, 2007 I have witnessed this several times, when a loser refuses to lose in an altercation. Stephane Dion? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Drea Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 Link This surely spells the end of taser use by the police. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
guyser Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 Not a chance I would think. People have been killed using the taser and it still is used so why would a lost eye cause it. Now if you want to talk about usage and when deployed................... Quote
M.Dancer Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 LinkThis surely spells the end of taser use by the police. Why? As shocking as the news item is, you would prefer they shot the fellow instead? Or maybe just gave him a fractured skull with their night sticks? The police need less lethal options....tasers are just that option as they only present a risk to the non cooperative individual, whereas if a couple of coppers try a manhandle a violent fellow, the coppers might get hurt, and in the long run, I would prefer accidents happen to drunk wife beaters than the cops who have to respond to those calls. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shakeyhands Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 Hmmmm... at least three officers at the scene? Seems to me they probably could have handled a drunk agitated guy. Though without being there you never really can tell. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
M.Dancer Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 Hmmmm... at least three officers at the scene? Seems to me they probably could have handled a drunk agitated guy. Though without being there you never really can tell. True. 3 cops, one agitated drunk? They could have accidcedntly killed him...it happened before where a guy struggled and before you know it some gasket is blown. And on top of that, a cop could have torn his trousers.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
capricorn Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 Tell you what. Let's take away tasers and issue police with large nets to drop around individuals so nobody gets hurt. That'll work. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
geoffrey Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 I'd rather see cops use a tazer then cops get injured apprehending a criminal. Here is a little secret I'll share with you all on how to avoid getting hurt or killed by a tazer... ... ... ... DON'T FIGHT WITH THE POLICE. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
M.Dancer Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 Link This surely spells the end of firearm use by the police. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Drea Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 Tasers are not meant a weapon used to KILL people. Yet people are dying as a result of being tasered. Are the tasers perhaps more powerful than they need to be? A while back I watched (on TV) a police officer being tested with the taser. It hurt, but it didn't kill him. Mind you, he was calm at the time of tasering. Perhaps they should test them on police officers that have extremely high adreneline and high blood pressure (that's what occurs when a person in angry) and see if they die from it. If the test cop dies, then obviously there is a problem with the taser. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Shakeyhands Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 I'd rather see cops use a tazer then cops get injured apprehending a criminal.Here is a little secret I'll share with you all on how to avoid getting hurt or killed by a tazer... ... ... ... DON'T FIGHT WITH THE POLICE. The question in this case is was he fighting with the police, or was he being drunk and agitated. I have no problem with the police using non lethal weapons to control someone who is way gone (i.e PCP user or has a weapon like a knife) but from the description in the story it sounds like this guy was pissed off and being beligerant... but again, we weren't there. It just seems to me that perhaps the tazer is the solution when the police don't want to do things that may be a little more physical or time consuming. I've yet to meet a shrinking violet police officer btw. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
M.Dancer Posted November 1, 2007 Report Posted November 1, 2007 I have no problem with the police using non lethal weapons ........... No such thing as a non lethal weapon. All weapons are lethal, only some are highly lethal (500Kg Bomb) and some are less lethal (my big toe) but by definition, all weapons are potentially lethal. The better description of Tasers, Pepper spray etc is Less lethal weapons..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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