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i already have. have you? And now my 19 year old brother is? has your family?

Hmmmm.... This is straight from the horse, where did they get their info from? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is that a real email from Michael Moore? Because it would seem to be in direct conflict with pictures I've seen of his tax returns. The picture doesn't show the date, though. So I'm thinking that might be relevent and therefore conveniently left out of the picture. But he apparently did own the stock at one time, or his corporation did. It's on a schedule D which would mean it was sold, so he doesn't own it now. I've read that he buys stock so he can sit in on the stock meetings and vote, but if that's the case, why didn't he say that in his email? I'd like to see this addressed on his website. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> like ive always said, ignore idiots like michael moore. the man outright lies, or at the very least twist the truth. Wanna make someone like him go away? just dont see his movies, dont listen to a word he says.

thats why what you need is a moderate conservative. John mccain for example. truthfully the Dems dont reallly have a really great candidate.

ahh i apologize BD that was meant for the person you were responding 2, not you, my quoting system is troubled to say the least. I sometimes end up quoting things from entirely different threads! I assumed that you had already done your homework on the effects of it. It was more for those defending its use.

As an American theres two points that i would like to address. 1. we should have took out sadam in 1991 when we DID have the backing of the rest of the world. 2. If i had it my way we would have gone back to an isolationist country after world war 2. But then again who knows what the soviet union might have become had we done so. I think the US needs to take away the aid it gives to other countries and concentrate on our own country. Sure we can throw some money the UN's way, private groups can still collect if they want to, but american money should be used to improve america not iraq or mogidishu or any other country.

Lobbing mortar rounds designed to sear the flesh from people's bones into a heavily populated area is about as indiscriminate as it gets. Strawmen and victim-blaming aside, how does the morally repugnant act of suicide bombing relate to the morally repugnant act of killing civilians? Argus would say the difference is one of intent. That may be, but the intent here was pretty clear: to kill anything still in the city, insurgent or otherwise. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> have you ever seen white phosophorus before? Or more to the point of what it is, or what it can do?

Good God. Are you going to start posting quotes from the latest Harry Potter novel to support your beliefs next? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As intresting a read that it is, i have trouble finding anything to back up the validity, they dont even have the Date of birth correct. I would advise you not to continue to push this as a true statment.

wanna make the likes of Michael Moor and Ann Coultier go away? Ignore them. They represent a population of people so small in this country its ridiculous. The fact they get any attention at all astounds me. Ann Coultier is a hate-filled intolerant bigot, Michael Moore is a vicious liar.

Pretty much a given that it is true. http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/libra...109-rferl01.htm It looks as though the US intel is going to investigate the story as a 'leak' and not a falsehood. Further, if there was any hope of keeping it secret, there would be denials such as 'baseless accusations' and 'entirely without proof', etc. Another bit of the story... http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world...tan/saltpit.htm Now, if the chimneys of Auschwitz or Bergen-Belsen once again begin to smoke, and the US says "We need to dispose of the bodies of the enemy", will you still say "So what? I wasn't meant to know."?? Ends do not justify means, unless it is the most dire of circumstances, and even then some form of judgement will be passed. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> nice find, well, the good news is we we will have a new cabinet next election. Hopefully we get someone much less morally bankrupt? I cant bring myself to call bush a conservative because he is not.

Funny you should say that. I was just thinking today that I was just a touch glad to see the problems in France this week. The French love to act superior to the barbarian Americans & I'm quite sure that they were gloating during the looting in New Orleans after Katrina, bemoaning the Americans & how they treat their black underclass & look what it has all come down to. Well hello France! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the difference here i think blackdog, is the race riots were frustration about living conditions in the innercity ghetto areas. The Paris riots have groups calling for JIHAD, and for outting the current french government in favor of a muslim government. Id say thats a far cry from people using a case of racial injustices to steal televisions.

in a related article "The french government is coming up with solutions for the best way to surrender" lol i jest i jest But on a serious note. http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stadium...islamindia.html my favorite "What fools these Hindus are, they must be telling themselves: We killed them by the millions, we wrested a whole nation out of them, we engineer riots against them, and they still defend us!... "

Whether or not it is true (I believe, for the record, that it is) we are not meant to know so what??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because a gun is a gun, its not a bouqet of flowers. A is A, A cant be B. I dont operate on pieces of information. You dont build a house with pieces of a blue print. You need the whole thing. Keep the info coming BD, i would very much like to see where this goes.

2000 lives for another 50 years of world domination? if i was a politican id make the same trade. And i promise you that GWB would do the same thing again.

no we went for oil. which if you wanna remain the dominate world power in the world, makes strategic sense. Dont want that oil going to China now do we!

Again my question goes back to the validity of this article, it does not give clear cut sources. so im still in doubt of some of what was said. however it would not overly shock me if it was true. call me a skeptic. But the first thought i had after reading that is "where did this information come from?" and "How do i validate that its true" clearly there is more than needs to be found out before a clear condemnation can be handed down.

Intresting article to say the least. Personally i believe that the CIA is very capable of doing this. However, i dont really feel that the article had a smoking gun to prove it. It says are "source", which to me says they dont wish to reveal the source, which i could understand why; as this could be construted as revealing classified information. which of course is illegal. its a good article i would just like to have it verified throught a credible source than mystery man x.

thanks.

I cannot believe people are surprised by this. There is a lot we are not told about by our government. There is a lot of stuff that goes on that they would rather we didn't know about. Remember, in this age of technology there are a lot more ways for governments to moniter us, etc. How do people get our personal information? I have been the victim of identity theft. How? No one knew my PIN/Card number, etc. I do not think we are far away from our own Patriot Act in this country, if we don't have one already. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> source please.

wow, i coudnt have imagined a worse policy. Bush is going over the top now.

tawasakm, its really to bad you are not posting here much, i really enjoyed your post quite a bit. ModAmerican.

Eureka this is the 2nd time you have gone after him and not his argument. How have you not been warned/banned for this yet is beyond comprehension. Because you dont outright call him a facisit right wing nut doesnt excuse you from attacking his credibility. Why dont you attack his argument? Honestly i think its pretty sad that you cannot find something to refute the letter and then have to decend into a personal attack on his charachter. Shape up. Thanks for the link to the letter, im reading it now.

well, i stand corrected on the account that America won the war in Europe. Nice research BD. OMFG a con admitted he was wrong! Also i was reading into the pacific conflict and credit should be given to the aussies as well they lost about 30k men fighting the japenese in the south pacific. But i still think its safe to say that it was America that won at least the pacific front. And based on new info had a helluva lot to do with the Africa/Europe front. I still dont believe that american contribution was lame in anyway.

if you read what i wrote, you saw that i was not downplaying the contribution of other nations, i was stating however the American War machine, are economic contribution, are military contribution turned the tide of war, in Europe. And yes we were virtually alone fighting the Japenese. The only country that withstood the japanese in the Far east was China. And just barely so. Also i would like to see proof of your claim that the USSR inflicted 80 percent of the losses suffered by the german army. But you are correct in saying the USSR suffered the worse losses of any "nation" in the war.

The battle of arden was freshly supplied well fed german troops in Armored divisions battling against half frozen, hungry, Army infantry divisions. And your telling me they should not give ground? After American troops PREVENTED the german offensive from snapping the lines the german army would never have another offensive for the rest of the war. It was American blood that one back Europe (not to downgrade the commitment of the few british and Canadian units involved and the Amazing defense of England made by the british) and it was American blood that won against Japan. Without the American war machine Europe would have been totally under Nazi germany control. We took back N. Africa, we took back Belgium and Luxemborg, we took italy away from Mousillini (actually more percisley we got the italians to revolt away from mousillini), We took back france, and we push the germans all the way into Berlin. And you dare call are contribution friviolous. Or as you put it LAMELY? First you damn us for not being involved in world affairs enough, then you damn us for being involved 2 much? Which is it. Ill tell you what it is, you comend us for what benefits you directly and damn us if it doesnt.

Man some of these so called conservatives get me hot. I wrote a letter to John Mccain (not that he will actually read it) Begging him to run for president. If you go to john Mccains offical website you can find his full speech.