moderateamericain

HAHAHA, i dunno what it is about you canucks, but i havent met an American yet who didnt love it when a canuck through out the aboot or the "eh". I wouldnt worry about it so much, down here in dixie we have words like aint and yonder that make no sense at all. They are just a part of the culture. What state do you live in? *I'm asking because I thought you said you lived in Michigan but I never heard people associate dixie with Michigan. I grew up in Michigan i moved to North Carolina after my enlistment was up with the Marine Corps because i loved the weather down there.

HAHAHA, i dunno what it is about you canucks, but i havent met an American yet who didnt love it when a canuck through out the aboot or the "eh". I wouldnt worry about it so much, down here in dixie we have words like aint and yonder that make no sense at all. They are just a part of the culture. What state do you live in? North Carolina.

HAHAHA, i dunno what it is about you canucks, but i havent met an American yet who didnt love it when a canuck through out the aboot or the "eh". I wouldnt worry about it so much, down here in dixie we have words like aint and yonder that make no sense at all. They are just a part of the culture. Theres also different ways of saying "hill" if your from Alabama it sounds like "hell" if your from tennessee it sounds more like "heel"

No, actually they vote them back into power. George Bush lied to the country, illegally invaded a country, cost the lives of thousands and the Repubs voted him back in. I love how liberals complete dodge the issue by bringing up other mistakes made by party members of the opposite party, how is that pertinent to the discussion at hand? The reality of it is, pointing out what conservative policy makers have done is like saying "well he did XXX, so its ok that this democrat did XXX." The truth is, yes, they both screwed up, but in a discussion form, since the topic is about LIBERAL RACISM, you could easily go to one of the multiude of Bush bashing threads that we have here and post the same thing. The topic never stated "Bush has done no wrong" The topic was pointing out Liberal racism. I believe that liberals hurt minority advances more so then conservatives do. Why? Liberals foster a sense of "Your not good enough on your own, so we gotta give you a helping hand." When infact a black student today, is equally capable as a white student.

i post at work. as i am doing right now. Business is slow after the holidays.

well of course there are going to be more bigots in the USA, theres more people.

Amercans arent racist, Individual A-holes are racist. I live below the mason dixie line, and i can tell you that white/black relations, or native american relations are better here then where i grew up in Detroit Michigan. Any who still believes in racism down here is pretty much laughed at.

God i love living in a country where you have the freedom to express your disatisfaction with your country. As long as their are "paranoid's" on either side (liberal or conservative) i know there will always be people to call the government into account for its actions.

You know what Yaro, im tired of debating with someone who dismisses every piece of fact i find without bothering to even create a shred of math to prove himself. Your condecending attitude is tiring to say the least. You claim to be some kind of economics wizard thats only Worthy person to debate with is an "ecoomics proffessor". The fact that you back up nothing that you say with anything even close to fact or proof just makes me believe your full of shit. I say your a 18 year old college kid who took a few economics class and comes in here thinking hes god gift to the american economy. If your gonna argue at least do so in a rational manner.

Before i post an educated response, and crunch some numbers, does anyone know a good website to find, Personal savings averages for the US? Here is my response yaro, i found all this material in between business today at work. I crunched the numbers provided from the bls.gov website provided. Assuming that there is 150 million people living in the United States at working age In November 2005 there was a net 97k change in job force, and a loss of 52k jobs; which results in a net change of 149k unemployed in the USA. Assuming that the NOV 05 rate of 5 percent unemployment is correct then that means that 7.5 million people are unemployed. Now if we take the number of NEW unemployed (149 thousand) that means the true number of unemployed is 5.09%. GASP! I guess I should go withdraw all my money out of the bank. Now if given a formula and/ or a table to track savings over the last 20+years I am sure I can tear that argument apart as well. It’s really easy to use this sight to see tables and graphs since 1989-2005, unfortunately you cannot copy/paste them as links so you will have to go http://www.bls.gov/cps/home.htm , click the dinosaur Icon and you can play with the tables. As far as personal savings, I cannot find anything going back to 1989 however if you go to this website ( http://www.marketvector.com/leading-indica...nal-savings.htm ) It will show you since 2003. The table shows a down slope with an increase in the last year. As far as GDP being a bad indicator, the only thing that people have against it, even though its used by a shit ton of economist around the world is it does not take into account a countries black market. This of course can only really be estimated. US transactions abroad: http://www.bea.gov/bea/newsrel/transnewsrelease.htm At the bottom of the page it shows how much of the “pie” we owe china http://w4.stern.nyu.edu/news/news.cfm?doc_id=4713 However according to this its not like the US is going to keel over and die, if we can make some minor adjustments to standard of living we can cut the deficit in half. So it appears Yaro is partially right, specifically on us owing the “Lions share” of are debt to China.

What I said was talking about military power as it applies to modern nations was idiotic which is the point of not being able to project power. The fact of the matter is that right now the US has stated unequivocally that they have no respect for Canadian sovereignty. They have said they will use the northern passage regardless of our desires in the matter and that they will shoot down missiles over Canadian territory regardless of the effect. If a nuke lands and detonates in Canada because the US downed it over Canadian territory (as unlikely as that is) then yes I would consider that an attack on Canada from the US and I would wish to be prepared to defend ourselves. The US has not been attacked; they had a single significant terrorist event happen, 3000 people died. Not to sound cold but BFD, want to save 3000 lives a year? Take 1/100th of the money that the US is now spending on security and spend it on transportation infrastructure. Which is what I do, and I agree I don't know why people get so emotional about things like this. GDP is meaningless, if you don't know that then your not educated enough on economics for me to bother debating you (GDP is used by right wing think tanks because it sounds good and the US system produces high GDP, if you understood the issues with it you would see why its not used in educated economics discussions) Also unemployment rates are irrelevant, not that the US's numbers are particularly good you see when calculated using the Canadian system they come closer to 8% and when calculated using the French system they come closer to 12%) if your BLS hadn't been ripped apart by a statistician put in place by the Regan administration you would see that American unemployment numbers are horrific. It should also be noted that the GDP of nations such as China and India are calculated without respect to black and grey markets, or there relatively giant PPP in the area of IP. At the end of the day, your being lied to, spun by your government (like Canadians are to a lesser extent) to such an extreme that you probably couldn't imagine the number of dirty tricks that are used to make you believe the economy is better then it is. I’m sorry if that offends you and if you want to make a particular argument or ask me a question then I will answer it for you but if you think I am going to get into a debate with someone that won't even understand a small fraction of the terms I use then your simply asking me to waste my time. Nobody in the world who understands economics to any real extent and is at all knowledgeable about Canada and the US is going to say that the US economy is healthy or that the Canadian economy isn't. And I will simply add that the US economy IS Bankrupt, the US has more real debt per capita right now then either New Zealand or Argentina did when they declared bankruptcy. Please don't embarrass yourself by arguing this point, if you want to go get an economics professor to try to formulate an argument I will be happy to respond. I don't need to back up my statement at all, when he comes to the table with an actual argument I will bother destroying it until then I’m not going to waste my time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since every figure i gave us is meaningless, why dont you enlighten us to what is the barometer for economic performance. Once again you have not made anything close to an argument that is plausable. The only person you embaress here is yourself. Have you ever heard the phrase, "the burden of proof". If your going to argue with me without statisitcs, or anything even close to proof, then im afraid your agruments are going to fall of deaf ears. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDP for anyone who didnt know.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10588528/ This actually makes sense to me. I mean privacy is one thing, but if you can literally drive by someone's house (hall/garage/office block/whatever) and point a doohickey at the building, and pick up some sort of radiation emission which is definitively linked to some sort of nuclear device, then as far as I'm concerned privacy concerns are right out the window. While I largely disagree with the Patriot Act, this is a completely different ball of wax. No way that this can be used under false pretenses to put away some kid who's growing a couple pot plants in his attic. This would address one issue, and one only; possible nukes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its safe to say that that is something i can live with. As long as ALL it does is sniff for emissions

SO many points to address so little time. First off shame on you guys for this thread, it is aggressive to the point of insulting on both sides of the issue. This forum is better than that. I guess ill start with something Yaro said, You stated anyone who thinks that military power is important is an idiot, You are both right and you are wrong as well. The amount of tanks or airplanes or infantry you have does not define strength of a nation. What does define strength (again we are talking strictly from a military position) is the ability to project that power. A great example of the ability to project power is an aircraft carrier. On the flip side, and what i think you are really looking at, is take a country like china, the largest standing army in the world. The reason the Chinese army is useless to them is they have no ability to project that power. Sure they have Nuclear weapons, but do you think anyone but a madman would use a currenct incarnations of nuclear power. we could wipe out russia with 3 missles. But who would want to? Nuclear weapons are akin to saying "lets kill them, us, and everything in between." Personally im glad canada does not make weapons like that, its a great testment to say "Nobody wants to attack us." I wish we in the United States could say the same thing. But the fact of the matter is we have been attacked. Another point I would like to make, The United states was an isolationist country until the turn of the last century. And it was the need of EUROPE that drove us out of what we were. The 2nd point id like to address is on what this topic was really about, this Candian version of ANN coultier. If i took what he said to be the thoughts of all canadians id stand at the border with Canada with a rifle and man a post. But since im smart enough to realize hes full of shit, I think ill do what I do with Ann Coultier, ignore her. The 3rd think I would like to talk about, Is the economic performance of the United States, there are many variables that are taken into consideration, unemployment, GDP, standard of living. Which are more important? The fact is they are all important. To say the US economy is bankrupt is at best foolish. And heres why. Are Average GDP growth has been 3% over the last two years, that means consumer spending is up. Which in turns mean people have money to spare. Are unemployment rate is hovering around 5 percent, not sure what Canadas is at. Are public debt is at 8 trillion dollars (rounded off). GDP at this point is over 11.75 trillion. With all this information provided its easy to see that the US is indeed the strongest economy in the world at this date. Do i think we will be surpassed by China, hell yes we will. Time frame should be within the next 10-20 years. On a personal note, Yaro you need to back up your statments with anything remotley like fact, Someone provides you with statics with the GDPS of the US and Canada and all you can say is "you dont know anything about economics." That says to me that your are either too lazy or are full of hot air as you cannot disprove statistics with attacking statments. Most of my statistics can be found http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

I dont believe you have ever been exposed to violence in your life. Nobody who has that I have ever met, not even those who were the victims of it had your outlook. And yes they are "my" soldiers, i trained a great deal of em. ret. Gunnery Sergeant e-7 Drill Instructor "killhat" Marine depot Parris Island 2nd battalion. This of course is after seeing active duty in Africa as a Sergeant, Kuwait as a PFC, and Korea. Africa was by far the worse, nothing like watching the bodies wash up from the previous nights executions. And worse, knowing there wasnt a damn thing I could do about it.

more proof that the terrorist in Iraq are nothing more than thugs, those people if anything wanted to help iraq then hurt it, but these terrorist dont care, they are just thugs. The kill indiscrimanetly, it does not matter. those of you who defend their actions would do well to remember that if it were you, it wouldnt matter anymore to them than if it were a US soldier.

I may be reading this wrong. However if I am not, your calling our soldiers burtal and doing something ilegal? I dare you to go to parris island stand at the Iwo Jima statue and say that. If i was an ill-tempered adult i might have a thing or two to say to you, but since its against the rules of the forum to insult, ill leave that to you, its really what your best at as more than the majority of your post have always shown. But as for the topic, this country was founded by christians, the basis of our government is founded on (at the time) a christian government, are national Holidays are Christian founded, Im willing to bet more than 80 percent of the country is some denomination of christian. Isnt it a liberal philosophy that "the greater good, for the greater masses"? so why wouldnt that apply here, nobodies saying "Hey Muslim, or Hey Buddhist, your an outcast because you dont do are holidays" No we allow them to practice their religion in their own way. Really this whole thing is completely ridiculous, the people who are worried about this need to go find real jobs, or get real hobbies to occupy their time.

Its funny this topic came up, the other day i was working with someone's account and he sent his wife in to negotiate for him, obviously his wife cannot sign a legally binding contract, and after explaining that to her, she proceded to tell me "well i could just have one of my sons call you and say he is his daddy." Now the real kicker is she was a Parrish (i think thats what the word is) at a church, her husband was the preacher. So here we have a family of church going people telling me they would commit fraud. Moral decay? i would say yes.

pocket i think your getting far to upset over this. Any American with any kind of intelligence is going to realize that Canada is not resposible for letting all terrorist into the USofA (or into Canada).

I cross the border many times a year...you're right!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i used to go back and forth between detriot and windsor all the time with nothing more than "are you carrying any dangerous or biohazard materials or plants", i mean like a terrorist is gonna say "why yes sir, i infact have a 2 ton nuclear bomb in my trunk.

actually its both are faults. Canda's borde security is a joke and you know it. And in certain places so is the United States. Id hate to see a 2000 mile long fence seperating canda and the US, with armed guards patrolling it. Very Soviet Unionish if you ask me.

Why shouldnt the top 20 percent earners rake in the most, they have the most to lose. Your top 20 percent are the ones that employee most of america. How many people did bill gates put to work with Microsoft?

English cannot possibly be your first language.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}> i kind of get the general consesus out of everyone on this board that the NDP is bad news? I do my best to keep up on the parties but canadian politics are hard to follow at best. (As an American i get little news). If i may so humbly ask, how does the NPD Cons and Liberals measure up to what we have here in the USA? (ex, is what you call conservative there the same thing as here?)

if someone cut off my manhood, i would murder them on the spot. *shudders*

Was this a large surprise for any of you? I mean its not everday that you see a government toppled. It would be a huge deal in the US. How do you think this is going to effect the Candian Economy? Could Quebec try to seperate again in the vacuum? Im just curious to hear some best case/worst case scenarios out of this.