moderateamericain

O for fuck sakes is she a women or isnt she. Because if she isn't then well then I'm gay. Can I ask an obvious question? What does a women have to be a feminist, or more to the point why is it wrong if she isn't?

Mi amigo. The difference between freedom with trouble and a warm home that the cops can kick down and drag you and your family out of the house and shoot you on your front lawn is worlds differences. Me. I always liked a little bit of trouble.

I have and the dead Jews Russians and Chinese who had there guns taken away before they got executed by the thousands probably would agree with me.

Unfortunetly Im going to have to side with PC on this. Governments owning controlling intrest in banks is never a good thing. I dont necessarily see us going Communist but the sooner the Government can find a buyer for it the better.

JBG your not making a great argument here, besides if a bunch of Arab's want to trample eachother to death, well I guess its just less potential terrorist isnt it?

Is this topic still going on? Why does Canada care if the US respects it? And just so were clear most Americans don't give a shit whether ANYONE respects the US.

Sorry that just does not compare to the eleven people who were friends of the clintons who have been murdered in the past 20 years. Call me crazy if you must. But how many people do you actually know that are friends of yours that have been murdered. I know this isn't mutually exclusive to Sarah Palin but after all that. Do you think I'm really all that phased about a bridge and a lady that opposes abortion?

Not to mention the revolutionary war. Where technically we were fighting our own government. If you simply dismiss an armed population as something that would get steam rolled by its own army you are sorely mistaken about that. First of all, you forget one central thing is that the US military is made of US citizens. Secondly, its been proven time and time again a well armed small arms guerilla warfare can due significant damage to a larger more powerful conventional force. Great examples of this are Afghanistan current and when the Russians occupied it, Vietnam, Revolutionary War, shit anywhere africa and south america. Don't be so quick to dismiss an armed determined population.

True, but a gun in the pocket will preserve it if you know what freedom means. Because if you do profess to understand the value of freedom, then you will do anything to protect it.

Some quotes about the 2nd Amendment. As you can read, The founding fathers were clear in there desire that the 2nd amendment shall not be infringed. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776 "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms. . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764 -- Thomas Jefferson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "[A] string of amendments were presented to the lower House; these altogether respected personal liberty." -- Letter to Patrick Henry, June 12, 1789, referring to the introduction of what became the Bill of Rights -- William Grayson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- The Federalist, No. 46 - James Madison -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens." -- The Federalist, No. 29 - Alexander Hamilton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "[A]rms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. . . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." -- Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775 - Thomas Paine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789 - Elbridge Gerry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The great object is, that every man be armed." - Patrick Henry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free State..." - George Mason -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possesion and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" - Patrick Henry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Gaurd with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!" - Patrick Henry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "No free government was ever founded or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the state.... Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen." - State Gazette (Charleston), September 8, 1788 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "While the people have property, arms in their hands, and only a spark of noble spirit, the most corrupt Congress must be mad to form any project of tyranny." - Rev. Nicholas Collin, Fayetteville Gazette (N.C.), October 12, 1789 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The powers of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sward are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no right to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American.... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Pennsylvania Gazette, February 20, 1788 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that axists among the people, or which they can command; for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive." - Noah Webster An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia, 1787 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them" - Tench Coxe, An American Citizen IV, October 21, 1787 "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American . . . . The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." -- The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788 "As the military forces which must occasionally be raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article (of amendment) in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -- Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peacable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent teh people from petitioning, in a peacable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possesions." - Samuel Adams, Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of 1788 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves . . . and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms... The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle." -- "... whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..." - Richard H. Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer 53, 1788 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "... of the liberty of conscience in matters of religious faith, of speech and of the press; of the trail by jury of the vicinage in civil and criminal cases; of the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; of the right to keep and bear arms.... If these rights are well defined, and secured against encroachment, it is impossible that government should ever degenerate into tyranny." - James Monroe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "... the loyalists in the beginning of the late war, who objected to associating, arming and fighting, in defense of our liberties, because these measures were not constitutional. A free people should always be left... with every possible power to promote their own happiness." - Pennsylvania Gazette, April 23, 1788 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson, in letter to William S. Smith, 1787

Its the lack of gun ownership that is the problem. The state may have more guns but to stand idly by and do nothing while your freedom is revoked is a worse evil. Better to die on you feet then live on your knees in fear of when the government is going to kick down your door and kill you anyways.

Arms are always necessary to protect yourself. Governments have killed more of its own citizens than any war. Examples Russia, China, Africa anywhere, 1300-1800 Europe, Anyone close to turkey, Jews in Nazi Germany, etc etc etc, Civil War USA. Shall i go on? Words never stopped a tank from rolling over your children.

Governments go bad when society fails to check it. Through Firearms or other means. Governments should fear its citizens not the other way around.

The english government will probably make a law outlawing musicians from playing concerts that offend muslims.

And so it begins. All things start small. Before the end of my lifetime I wont even recgonize England anymore. Englands tombstone should read "In the end England wasn't conquered by military force, it was conquered by its own laws that were set up for the minority that imposed its will on the majority."

What i say to everyone from Canada who refuses to go to the USA. Good. More beach room for me.

What the hell does the level of violence in torture techniques in Vietnam and Iraq have to do with GOP selection of Palin as there VP? McCain's status as a veteran and pow is relevant to many many americans. President Bush's was not. Since he barely showed up and it was basically a joke. Huge difference from McCain and GWB. Also, what does any of this have to do with VP Palin.

Your assuming that everyone voting her is doing so because she is a women. My point is that if she is the catalyst that wins the election for a moderate republican with her far right views (on certain issues) is that not an indication on what the American people actually want?

hmm. Its an intresting analogy i guess. Im not sure i completely buy into it. I look at McCain as kind of a frail old man actually. Between him and Obama I think Obama would whoop McCain's old ass. If anything wouldn't McCain be considered the weaker of the two based purely on cosmetics? Besides I think we all know Palin could whoop all 3 of there asses anyhow. Anyone who can SHOOT her food has gonna have some balls. lol. But in seriousness, I think you read too much into it. Anyone with half a brain is going to vote for their candidate based on there already held beliefs. Its like a checklist. You compare the two candidates and put a check next to each one that believes as you do. Anyone who tells you they vote soley on the needs of others is either full of shit or lying to themselves. Assuming that everyone believes what the talking heads in the world have to say (limbaugh and others) is a generalization on your part.

The danger is not in the act of viewing child porn (even if its disgusting and personally i think people who do are mentally fucked up), the danger is in people thinking that there is a market for it and engaging children in pictures and videos.

Here is the thing, If Obama LOSES the Campaign now. Where all poles showed him ahead before. Does that mean that Palin's values are what the majority of Americans want. If the answer is yes, then shouldnt we just shut up about her values at that point because would it not be clear that Americans have made there finally answer on the subjects? If no, then Why not?

Just curious for an example of what you mean by a big daddy strong figure when times get tough? But i agree that a Liberal and conservative government burn tax payers money just as well but I think the difference is what they burn it on.

Why are you worried about President Palin?

I know this is a very simplistic way to look at a complex issue. Because there are many different issues that define a Conservative and a Liberal. But my individual take on the matter is that Conservatism is based on the economic idea that I know better than anyone else on what I should do with my money. And that we as a society should have limited control on what people choose to do with there wealth. My take on the Liberal philosophy is that they wish to dictate to us how and when to spend are wealth. Because its best for us. And to me thats just insulting.

Look don't get me wrong No country has it perfect. The US has a massive debt herself and something hopefully the next president gets under control. But the only thing that concerns me is you seem to advocate a forceful reallocation of wealth. Anytime that has been done in history it has completely backfired and only leads to a more ruthless wealth class. Examples are Russia, China, Eastern Bloc countries.