Army Guy

No dancer has it right on the money. Right after 9/11 the UN was deciding what should be done by each state in regards to terrorism, and how to handle the terrorism question....After it was decided what the world was going to do,and the resolutions where passed,1368, 1373...it was here NATO took it's first steps to action.... It was NATO that decided to invoke Art 5, of the NATO Treaty of Washington, Under this treaty Canada was obilgated to commit to this operation....it had no choice if it wanted to remain under the NATO protection umbrella.... Our first contribution was Operation Apollo from October 2001 - October 2003...100 % combat mission, nothing about peacekeeping or UN here. OP Apollo And if you read the link carefully you'll find our commitment at this time was under US command,and directly supported Op ENDURING FREEDOM the US operation to free Afgan of the Taliban and bin ladins merry band of terrorists... Our next contribution came centered around Kabul,Aug 2003 until Jul 2005.... and was named Operation Athena, and while it did start out as a UN mission, by the time we took over it was Under NATO... Anthena I'd be curious to know just how much of our GDP is generated by our massive military/industrial complex, or is that those big words that liberal Canadians use to scare us regular folk into thinking we actually do spend to much on the mighty Canadian military machine... Does it really drive our economy?.

I did'nt tell you those stories to paint a negative picture of Afgan, I'm here on my third tour because i know i can make a difference, that we are making a difference, and it would take alot more than these things to stiffle any efforts our soldiers are making in this place....I told you those stories to paint a picture of the bad guys, and what they are capable of.... I don't think you do understand my perspective, nor will you until you've been in my boots, I see this whole Omar and Khadr thing as another way to undermine our Afgan operations, to slander the US government, and for a few to become the watch dogs and referees of human rights ensuring that the bad guys get a fair shake.... and pretend we actually give a shit about how we as a nation are precieved by a bunch of terrorists...

It's not, what would you call it, The US government has fumbled the ball badly , not only with it's prisons, it's torture, and new illigal combatant laws thier trying to prove. But now you want to hand off that ball to our government. Which really needs to assist in saving face as well, so how do you see this working out for Mr Omar, and our nation.......on one hand we convict the boy of terrorist activities, and sentence him accordly, or we let him go and have group hugs all the way round, while our allieds see us as weak, along with the terrorists themselfs which will be lining up to get thier hugs as well.... And while you may think Canada is regressing and forgetting itself....it's not, one boy does not negate all the good that our nation has done in Afgan...And instead of concentrating on this forgotten terrorist boy we should be compling all the leasons learned and trying to come up with a viable solution to ensure it does not happen again....that the next terrorist put on trail is done correctly and sends a clear message to the world... Canadians need to wake up and smell the coffee, before we pack up our rifles and bullets we should know a little about our enemy, and it's not just one group, the Taliban, but dozens of groups all with different agenda's, and a good lot of them are not even from Afgan...is that who you want sharing power of a nation that controls the destiny of millions....How many would have to die before we took action once again...we are here now, lets finish the job right now...Rifles and bullets is what they understand and they can be defeated.... He's not a soldier, he is a terrorist, with no rights afforded under inter-national law or the genva convention...all he has going for him is that he holds a Canadian passport of convinence....

Because I seen it to many times, nobody directed that young boy to sink an axe into that capts head...nobody told that small boy to roll over and put 5 rounds from an ak into my friends back....nobody told a duo of bombers to plant IEDS night after night until 4 of my close friends got blown up....and nobody was making them talk when just after capture they bragged about sniping Canadian soldiers...no this they did on their own, and had been doing for quit some time now....like I said it's the culture here, like it or not but at 15 they are men, and they are making those major decisions daily... And while I will freely admit I know nothing of the medical or mental profession to make qualified statements....I've got enough time in this country to tell you of their customs and habits.... A 15 year old takes a beer or a drives, spank him, slap him, ground him, nobody dies....but if he picks up a wpn , points it, pulls the trigger, he did so knowing that he was going to kill....he knew before he pulled that trigger...he then should be held accountable for his actions.. I don't have a solution, I'm a soldier that everyday is spent just trying to make it to the next....I'd like to hunt down all those scumbags down, and feed them to the same child monsters they have created....but that's not going to happen...so for now I stay alive, and keep my platoon alive.... I have never advocated breaking any law, in fact we take allot of pride in the fact that we don't, or we go out of our way to ensure we don't break any laws....I still get the impression that you think we broke inter-national law by killing that child bomber,. your wrong, and while I deal with our actions every night in my dreams, one day I will find the SOB that packed that kid up and sent him our way....maybe that day I will break a few laws.... Only there is no drugs, hostages, or anyone ensuring a task gets completed, allot of these kids roam free, on the streets, or in small military outposts, free to come or go when they please...But since we are all here, what of those victims, you know the ones of rape, murder, and all the other sick shit they do....do we all gather and in one group hug it's over, all is forgiven....we sing go home, wait out, to the next war....for you at home maybe, for me that gets deployed to all these shitholes…I don't hug all that well, I'm guarded, sceptical, cautious....i'I'l stand in the back ground, and wait thanks.. It keeps them off the battle field, it's one less I have to worry about, it's one less I have to see in my dreams, and it's one less I might have to pull the trigger on.... How are our tactics becoming more barbaric, I know your not talking about our legal rights in defending ourselves. so what tactics have changed that are more barbaric...you mean keeping a 15 year old locked up...or trying to punish him with adult laws....OK I some what agree, As for the people back home , hey they became disillusioned once we stepped off the plane for the first time and entered combat....Canadians soldiers involved in combat holly sweat Jesus....lets bring them home....the mission is the same, it's principles are the same, nothing has changed...except the people back home.... Oh there is a military solution, just not one that is not ham strung by the Canadian public. besides this is not really a war, run by the military it's a few politicians playing general...had the Canadian public been on board the whole time we would have been that much closer to ending this.... Give me one example....Canadian soldiers are involved in combat everyday we are here, and we have yet to let any Canadian down, broke any laws, or shamed our nation in any way....By the same token don't judge us unless you've walked in our boots... yes I've done allot of things that I'm not proud of here, happens every time I pull the trigger....but we have also done truck loads of good as well....

Look this is not CSI Las Vegas, and your not going to get Court quality evidance from a battle field, for one, there was a pro longed gun battle, which included serveral air stikes, and dropping of 500 lb bombs, next the scene was left unattended during the night, left to the locals to pick over.... what you do have is soldiers following thier ROE to the letter, in fact going that extra step and sending 2 Afgan soldiers up to the house to see what was going on....It was here that the "ARMED force" in the mud hut opened up engaging the afgan army, Starting this whole thing off... My piont is that it would be next to impossiable to get court quality evidance off a battle field, and get a convection with it... Next i tried to explain the differences in written testimony, like watching a car crash every witiness is going to have a different story, does'nt mean the crash did not happen just there is too many accounts.... You mentioned the grenade, your right hard to say if it was freindly fire or not, but out of the bad guys Omar was the only one left, the man beside him died earlier, so he could not of thrown it...so whom ?.... and if he had not spoken english when he did he would have bled out on the battlefield and we would not be having this big charad. Lets not forget what soldiers jobs are, before you go all soft on me, it's to kill, yes when the battle is all over it's to provide aid to those that need it...which was done, again i will say if omar did not speak english he would have bled out...it's the order of which we treat our cas ...first ours, then coalitions, allieds, civilians, then bad guys....

Maybe you can provide a source, i mean you seemed to be making a big claim, step up to the plate....Show us an inter-national law or convention where it states a Child gets a free pass on a battlefield.... WOW...Another claim, was it an execution, or was he within his rights as a soldier on the battlefield...remember this is not paintball it's real life....And did someone realize how old he was or was it that he spoke english that saved his life.... Your right nobody has it on tape , caught red handed, AK in Hand, grenade pin in his mouth ....Not that easy,it is a battlefield after all, it did see serveral air strikes, a prolonged gun battle , but hey if grissim from CSI was there he would have this already sown upso what do do know is he was there....that not far from where he was found a wpn was found, that the man dead beside him was killed earlier in the gunfight....so who was left, maybe the man on the grassy knoll....what else do we know he's a known terrorist , we can prove that thanks to his home made tape yes left behind at the scene of the crime....on the tape it proves he and other planted mines and IED's , later recovered by US EOD teams.... But hey we are Canadian we don't charge little boys with crimes as big as terrorism....i mean we are having problems wrapping our minds around murder....I don't hate muslims as you suggested, but don't see this whole Kahdr thing going any where good, not for our country, not when handled by the US government or if handled by ours....

I did not say it was some genetic ability, did I....And your making my point here for me, why is your child different from the millions around the globe, because your special, or the rest of the children did not have parents, or communities that taught them anything, like what was right and wrong....….... I'm the nasty, pessimistic, cold hearted SOB, who has just started his third tour in Afgan, I'm the guy who has seen a 10 year old bury a axe into the back of a capts head, I'm the guy that has seen a 12 year put 5 rounds into a comrades back,( now in wheel chair) because he steped over a young boy during a house clearing operation we all thought was to young to be a combatant....I'm the guy who has seen children strapped full of explosives walk into a crowded market and detonate himself, im the guy that seen a close friend tears steaming down his face, with our Sgt major screaming in his ears shot that prick before he gets any closer" You see that prick was less than 10 years old, he was approached our position, with an explosive chest rig on with enough explosives to send our entire position to Allah, and no he did not get a pass, nor did we that day…. So while children may very rarely do those horrible things in North America and your home town, they are daily occurrences over here, over here you become cold hearted or you get carried home. Why is that so hard for the very few of you to come to the same conclusion, that things are not the same around the globe….things are not always peachy and rosy. And in a perfect world that would work would it not..... we are talking about a kid who grew up in a combat zone, not your hometown....where killing was the norm, from a very very young age he has been exposed, to life and death everyday...where at the age of 15 he is a man, not the little boy you see him at, he's attended terrorist training camps, been on live combat patrols, planted IED's and mines to KILL, and been in combat where people lived and died....and he is very much aware of his actions, and the consequences…. Is that what you think that I hate Muslims, then I would suggest that you reread my posts, because that is not the case, what I do hate is terrorists and the ones that would take advantage of children and use them to their advantage in this war.... By ignoring international law…..., I think you have things alittle clouded here. Reread the laws and conventions, there is no age limit mentioned once you fall into the combatant category your free game, your a target like everyone else. it is not until after the battle is over that children are afforded any special privileges.... In your world they may get a pass, but not in mine, here in the real world, in Afgan young boys as young as 10 years old are receiving military training, they are going on live combat patrols, they are brainwashed into thinking killing infidels like Canadian soldiers is alright by mom and dad, shit they'll be awarded 101 virgins, note I said virgins not Tonka trucks or a new bikes, something for a young man or sorry "kid" to aspire to.... Me being a cold hearted, pessimistic, bastard has nothing to do with his condition, nor his teachings, not about the way he is brought up....but that does not mean I have to swallow a bullet so you can prove your point "deep down he is a kid" and he really does not know what he is doing... And while the act of just pulling the trigger can be done by everyone old enough to stand....it does not disprove that most 15 year olds can make that leap and do know that pulling that trigger means something is going to die....They come from a country where they have seen it done a million times....

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That's not my point at all, On the battlefield their is no such thing as a child soldier, every person that is armed, or posing a threat is a legal combatant and can be engaged... It is after the battle is over and it is found out that the POW's are children that there special treatment is afforded, which really is not much different than their adult partners in crime. What I disagree with is the way they are to be punished for their crimes....With people getting all teary eyed when it comes down to sentencing, he's just a child, so if he'd done this when he was 16 could we give he life...and still be able to live with that... It is not the first time that a child has been tried as an adult...for serious crimes and offences. the excuse that they are just children does not wash, they must be held accountable for their actions....suggesting to me that a 15 year old is not able to make a major decision is a crock, in just one years time here in Canada he will be given the right to drive, chose his career paths, etc etc ,,,all of those a major decision...

You have those kind of powers, it must be a huge responsibilty,to sit back and wave your wand for a few spelling mistakes, and something you may know nothing about....but your the man who am I to argue... Do, you have Kids, are you telling me right now, that they don't know right from wrong, that they don't KNOW that they can not kill another human by any means....Do they kill or torture dogs and cats, do they beat other kids with a 2 X4 ....why is that....because they know it's wrong and they can make those kind of MAJOR decisions all by themselves. or is it at the age 16 they suddenly get these so call MAJOR decision powers.... So don't tell me that don't have the capacity to make major decisions such as "should I kill all these people with this AK 47" which is what we where talking about... Would I trust a child with getting or setting up my mortgage...NO, but I can tell you this, Some the Kids around here are armed with AK 47's and they are very much aware of the destructive power that they can deliver, and they are very much aware that over here it's not a game, there is no respawn, that death is violent and final..

In this country they do not have a legal responsibilty, but in many other 3 rd world countries they do...that being said are you saying that any 15 year old can't not tell the difference from right or wrong, that taking a life forcefully is not wrong... Here in Afgan this happens on a daily basis, children are armed and are making life and death decisions everyday for other people. And they are very much aware of what they are doing...Here they are treated like any other insurgent, does that make me an angry and violent person, perhaps but maybe you hav'nt been on the recieving end of automatic wpns fire by one of these little darlings...

The reason i say actions is this, i'll use your African child soldiers, abducted and beaten into submission, and his life or families lives threaten to fight for a war lord....but that very child knows what they are about to do is wrong....it is here they must decide ....it is thier actions that will determine thier fate....kill inocent people and live, or die so inocent people will live....you make the chioce and carry it out with actions....

As far as ground equipment goes we are one of the best equiped forces there....believe it or not i'd say the Dutch have the best gear.... The only gear we lack is air power be it helo or fast air....other than that we do more than hold our own on the battle field, but actually are the go to guys when it comes to coming to the rescue, of lighter equiped forces within the coalition.... You make it sound like we still don't have a good repution as peace keepers....But lets be honest with each other anyone can peacekeep, what makes a good peacekeeper is a good warfighter. you want a military of peacekeepers , recruit the gaurdian angels...you want someone that can defend the nation, then recruit soldiers. Who's primary job is to close with and destroy the enemy....peacekeeping is a side job much like responding to national diasters, forrest fires and floods, it's something we do because we have the training and equipment to do it...

One should also keep in mind that today bonus for Canadian soldiers are pretty healthy, when i talk about bonus i think in Syria a UN mission they were something around 800 plus dollars a month, or higher depending on not Rank but rather how many missions you've had....plus other things such as each soldier is entitled to a free trip home to next of kin, plus a couple of 72 hour passes thrown in there as well...so when you add it all up, it would cost the government to have each soldier there.... I don't think it was ever about our government having a postive cash flow, it was more about being a responsible Nation. and doing what was right at the time..... To piont the finger at one party and say this is not right is unfair....i don't think any party would have a problem in raising any bonuses we pay our soldiers.... 4. How are peacekeepers compensated? Peacekeeping soldiers are paid by their own Governments according to their own national rank and salary scale. Countries volunteering uniformed personnel to peacekeeping operations are reimbursed by the UN at a flat rate of a little over US$1,000 per soldier per month. The UN also reimburses countries for equipment. But reimbursements to these countries have been deferred at times because of cash shortages caused by Member States’ failure to pay their dues. Civilian police and other civilian personnel are paid from the peacekeeping budget established for the operation. Un Peacekeepers UN Please note that the Above info is for UN missions only....Afgan is a NATO mission, and does not pay countries for partaking, but rather expects them to show up with an agreed amount of troops and equipment, as it is a defense treaty, rather than a world organization.... Any soldier that partakes in these missions are paid out of thier own governments coffers....For proof of that read the recent report on the cost of the Afgan mission, where all the costs are laid out, line item by line item... report www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/PBO-DPB/documents/Afghanistan%20-%20Fiscal%

I would'nt say idealogy making all the difference, but rather actions....your actions makes all the difference.

The genva convention does spell out very clearly the rules of war, you don't need uniforms, but you do need to wear something that identifies you as a combatant, be a pink tutu, an armband or what ever as long as that group makes it known that is thier unform,they must aslo carry arms openily, so observers can tell them apart from non combatants... In Iraq and Afgan they do not do this, they wear nothing to identify themselfs, and they don't carry arms openily until they are about to attack....It also states in the conventions one must not use terror as a wpn, and blowing up markets, schools, etc etc is using terror....That all being said it also states that ALL prisoner are to be treated humanely and with respect., it is a court that decides who is a terrorist or not, once this is decided then they no longer are afforded all the rights under the prison of war convention....but they still must be treated fairly, humanely, all accordding to the genva convention, and international law... Not much difference between a legal combatant, and illigal combatant in the way they should be treated....

OK the info is within the links you just have to dig for it. Below is not current but it will give you an idea on what Young mr. Khadr was doing in a combat zone..Or what i called Prowling.... The link i gave you is a poor one, Not really making my piont, as some of it conflicts with other evidance given.....but if you look at all the evidance and keep an open mind to things like, A battle field is a very confusing place, and very often each soldier will tell or see things differently, like being in a drawn out car crash....so yes stories will conflict....does not mean it did not happen... Also he was filmed planting mines and IED's, Most NATO rules of engagement, are to eliminate people who plant IED's on site....and if you've been involved in an IED strike you'll know why....Bomb making material was also found at the site he was captured... Khadr Give me a break, he was trained in a terrorist training camp, was in an active combat zone, what that means is he is trained to respond, do you actually think he was an innocent bystander, in the middle of a gun fight....no, they were attacked and all responded , all all with exception of himself were killed, read the account of the battle "he"'s a lucky guy to get out of it alive....Americans will use every Wpns sys available to win a fire fight....i'm surprised there is anything left.... mout piont, i agree that torture should not be used to gather info, soft torture is a grey area....not a big fan....but it does not mean that the info he provided was no good , if it could be backed up by another source... Every soldier that comes here to Afgan has atleast 6 month training before going outside the wire, don't have it, your not going outside the wire period....the training is as such that you don't think you react, and putting bullets on target is done without having to think about it...no doubt, no feelings, no time to think....It's after wards that all that happens, and we don't recieve enough training on that event.... Your right, he should have been returned to Canada stripped of his citizenship, and deported hopefully taking the rest of his family with him....setting the example to the rest of the terrorist operating here in Afgan with Canadian citizenship....Not drug out, smeared all over the media, everyone whinning he's only a child ....he's a terrorist and should be dealt like one...

Stop making it sound like ALL them resources are out to get the little guy with a few joints..I'm sure that the RCMP, Customs, and other government depts have alot more to do than spend 80 % of thier time and effort to chasing down small time drugies.....SO on that i call bullshit....give us a quote.... I'm not dening the fact they do have internal sections that look after hunting dealers and trafficers down, but i'm sure 80 % of thier budget is not spent on it..... So most are allowed to stay at home, are they allowed to work, to support thier families ? Are you saying theat the cons are targeting just the weed laws or are they targeting all the drug laws ? Thats a huge claim....are you saying that Pot does not influence your abilites to drive, fly, operate heavy equipment....like say booze... Nobody has died due to being under the influence of pot is my question. Killing someone is a choice, the gun is just a tool. but i do get your piont. Your looking at all this the wrong way....with all the above responsability you have, why would you risk any of it, to smoke a few joints..... you could use the same excuse for getting a DUI could you not....lets try it...it would be pretty stupid of the government to jail me for driving my car while drunk ,it's not my fault ...it's the governments fault for making that damn law.... Reach down and give your balls a squeze, you see you are a man, and from what you told me one that has responsabilites, more than the average man....you need to stand up and take those responsabilites seriously...You need to own your choices... You choose to smoke pot, after the government tells you "sorry johny thats not allowed" then like a 3 year old your going to get punished.... You say you work at a court house, that you see the consquences daily of others that have gone down that road...You sir, would have no excuses if you where caught.... I'd like to see your wifes face when you told her "Honey i'm in jail" I can't provide for you or the family until i get out....we might loss the house our bussiness...do you think she would'nt kick you in the nuts for that..... I get your piont, weed is good, it's harmless, and your for it....shit when it becomes legal, I'll buy a bong, and throw a party....But now it's again'st the law, and you use at at your own risk...

I did'nt say that did i , you where sugesting that all those things on your list where either employed or purchased to hunt down and proscute weed and weed only....when both of us know thats a crock....and while we are at it, do you think all these people and resources are being used to hunt down the guy with a small bag of weed for his personal use...or is it to hunt down the people trafficing in drugs, large qty's .... .do these people spend thier time in jail or are they free to go home ....was'nt it you that said they do jail time.... Oh i get it, my comments are stupid, because you can relate to someone that thought smoking a few joints is MORE important than his family responsabilites, like feeding his family, providing shelter.... give me a break....And i well aware of how socially excepted smoking pot is, but the fact is it is agains't the law, like drinking and driving....get caught and you going to be charged....i did'nt make the damn law, the government did, and if i want to continue to put food on thier table for my family then i won't be breaking the law....it's really that simple...it's a choice that has consquences. Besides if it was so socially excepted then having a few drug charges on your file will not matter all that much will it....or does it, as you already stated people are having troubles finding work afterward, which suggest not all of us fiind it acceptable... Is it again'st the law, yes or no....do the cops haul you down town, when your caught do you see a judge for sentencing....does it go on your record, so your breaking the law....and in the laws eyes your a criminal.....see a theme here....I thought you worked down in the court house, and i topped it off with extra stupid... No not advocating assualting people just because they smoked pot....i said those that have family responsabilites , such as feeding thier families, keeping shelter over thier heads....should be kicked in the nuts serveral times, when they have thought that getting high over rules providing for thier families. Does smoking pot really effect there judgement that much, that you would risk, not providing for your family, for a high that last what a couple of hours... It's the law baby, change it if you don't like it....until then it is again'st the law....you know the tune...what you goin to do when they come for you.... Just curious your green party right, just where does legalizing weed sit on thier party platform of things to do when elected....or is there alot more things to worry about than weed.... But really it's not conservative policies that you have to thank it's liberal...yes liberal, weed was legal up until 1923, when the liberal party decided to place it on the control drug list...

Hey doc, snap out of it. Show me a link where your spending huge amounts of tax payers money to hunt down and prosecute Pot and pot only.... Even free countries have laws, right now it's again'st the law. Look your barking up the wrong tree here....It's again'st the law period...same as stealing murder, etc etc....get caught and you pay the man.... And if your the main bread winner of a family and you would risk all that just to get high...then yeah, you should be kicked in the nuts....in fact first by all of your family then everyone else in the court room, maybe drug down the street so everyone can have a good kick.... As for me feeling sorry because your personal choice just effected you, your family, and all the rest of the tax payers your nuts....time to grow up, and take some of your responsabilities serious.....

So it's alright to kill and eat animals that we raise such as cow's, pigs, chickens, turkeys....but also deer, moose, partrige, pheasent, as long as it is raised on a farm.... The only really difference is how you kill it, Farmed raised animals have a steel rod driven into your skull, or throat slit Animals that are hunting die from fire arms... Shit this better not get out to all them cows and chickens and pigs.....can you imagine the riots there would be if they found out wild animals had rights and they did not.... Hey do you think there would be any money in it , i mean lobbing parlimant to get Cows and pigs rights....Can you send me a copy of these rights as well, i'll use it as a template for raised animal rights....Shit this could be big....i mean TV adds, maybe an appearance with those green peace guys....Maybe a picture with Pamala.....man this is huge, not pamala ...OK her boobs are huge ...but this rights thing might be my ticket to the big leagues........gotta go....

That is not what you where suggesting,or maybe i misunderstood.... it seemed like those that did not want to kill anything , where being forced to purchased a firearm...."Why would anyone who doesn't want to kill have a gun?" well they would'nt would they....However there are those that use this tool legally and don't want to see it restricted any more than it already is....

I would say that is part of it, but for most of these drugs out there is other concerns as well, addiction and all of its destructive problems, health concerns, all of these have costs, with many coming out of our pockets... Personally i don't give a shit if you want to get high, fill your boots....but when tax dollars are being spent because of your choices then i think we "the others" also have a choice...hence our existing laws... If this is all about making choices, then hey giver make everything legal....but like all choices come consquences, and one should not expect the rest of us to commit tax payers dollars for your poor choices....

Are you kidding me, it's no claim but fact.....check some of the links i've already provided, read his testimony,read the testimony of others.... he freely admits he was involved in combat activites, of gather intel on American convoys and troop movements and relaying all that to the Taliban and Al quida....Then there is the fact he was shot while US soldiers raided the compound.... Heres my problem with the above treaty, on the battle field anyone that openily displays arms, or hostile intent or a soldier feels threaten in anyway that person or persons is a target, in which deadly force can be used...there is no age limit, no restrictions ....On the battle field everyone is treated the same... At the end of the battle there is no one checking ID's, to see who is a child and who is not, they are restrained and shipped to the rear for processing....here is where they will take the little scumbags and place them in separate cells if available.... And before you judge me as a cold hearted bastard here in Afgan i've personal seen terrorist scumbags as young as 11, who would cut your throat wide open if given the chance... Child soldiers are the norm here, don't get me wrong there is plenty of grown up scumbags as well....but here at age 11 you are considered a adult coming of age... What does that say about this whole topic....