Army Guy

Heres an interesting article about what the cons have done in regards to arts and culture. most have actually have had thier budgets increased....but i guess thats not good enough for the liberals....what is enough , and what is more important....you decide.... arts and crafts

who ever came up with those numbers are on crack. lets just take a look at one article that was published by the globe and mail.... .Current military budget is just over 18 bil, not 18 million (a small mistake) and will raise by 2 percent a year until it reaches 30 Bil in in 2027/28...is that scary or what....but did we all read it will allow us to keep pace with inflation .... yes they will be giving DND more money however it's buying power is not really going to be awhole lot more..not bad for a dept that is already in the red, or very close to it.... Whats this mean, it means that DND will not actually be seening any more growth than it actually is now....And i think most Canadians will agree that the Military is far from recovering from the dark years as Hillier put it...and the future is not getting any better... DND has already said and has been reported in the media, that to recover and maintain todays capabilities it would need equipment expenitures of well over 150 bil....that is not to finance growth, but to maintain what we have today....which is really sad when you think i could list all our major equipment on a few lines on this post....even luxemburg can do that....and ya , most of us are saying who is luxemburg.... 250 Bil for recruitment....DND has already said it wants to bring our numbers up to 70,000 regular force, and 30 reserve personal, it's already at 58,000 reg force pers...so 250 Bil for 12,000 extra personal where are they getting them from, and what are they training them to do...even NASA does not spend that much on recruits....Give us a break.....thats comes out to over 25 million dollars per recruit....Something stinks and it stinks bad.... Most Canadians agree that our military desparately needs to be overhauled , and modernized....DND has asked for and recieved approval to bring us up to 70,000 reg force pers and 30,000 res....(and i'll bet my life savings it won't cost the tax payer 250 bil to do that).....well under the majority of NATO members numbers... we do after all have the largest coastline and second largest continent, and have renewed our interest in our north.... Now is when we will find out who really supports the troops, or not...Yes it will cost us all some more funds to increase our numbers, but not these numbersn not even close.....and we need these numbers not so we can conquor the world but so we can have a break and perhaps get reaquinted with our families, for more than a couple months... Troops levels today, force already serving troops to constantly rotate in and out of missions, to the piont they are getting exhausted, The liberal government deemed that each solider needs to be in Canada atleast one year before reploying....what a crook of shit....most are coming home from tour, only to have a couple of months of then resume training for the next mission..... military spending.

hey they beat bufflo....i know pre season....but they won one....

Kengs333 Ya it is kind of Ironic that the topic of welfare and drug abuse is some how mixed into a topic on gun crime and violent crime. But now, because i make my living serving our nation and do so with many tools, one of which happens to be a rifle, that i'm not allowed to make a comment, on what effects our tax dollars and how they are spent...does everyone have these restrictions, or just the ones that might carry a gun to work.... As for the disparaging remarks, piont out which ones, and i will apologize to those people. I have already stated that i agree that there are people who really need this assistance, and that is what the program is for...to assist until that situation improves... What i won't apologize for is remarks about those that have abused the welfare system, or those that live off our dime because they won't or refuse to get a job for what ever reason....that sir, your going to have to live with....

So are you saying someone that wants to quit has no alteratives , ie no government help, no help from peers, no help from any oganization be from the hospital, etc etc.... No i don't , i do however know that it is thru my choice that i did not go down that road....and i do know everyone else had the same choice....only thats not what we are talking about is it... it about should these people who have made those choices collect welfare, and have there habit subsdized by the tax payer....

Depends on what system your using, of course the military system restricts the sites you can vist, ie Porn, dating, and and non government friendly sites... The other systems that are provided don't have the same restrictions, ie you could access any web site, keep in mind the following....they suggest you don't and it's frowned upon,there is a few rooms that are available set up with web cams , so we can talk to families etc....and time is limited to 10 minutes per person, ........keep in mind there is lots of people here all waiting to do the same thing, talk to family not jerk off to the playboy site.......there are other ways such as outdoor wireless areas....again open to the public and in the elements... i can't talk about the other systems, or how they work....

There a crock of shit, are you going to tell me with every education tool out there, not counting education from your peers.... that there is still some kid, adult that does not know about the effects of drugs and booze....and with all this knowledge is it still not a choice to try it once, or how many times. It is a choice, like everything in life....those with this problem need to own it...they had a choice...and they took the wrong path....it's not some disease that they caught at the strip bar.... No that would be the politically correct version...Just like they can quit when they choose be it with help or what ever it's a choice they make....

I can understand fate, but when has Canadian society taken away your chioces... Hey i understand that there is a need for this program, but i think we are lossing sight of it's intentions, which are to assist, not to solely provide for...or to train someone to speak english or french, but thier has to be a line in which we say hey not not entitled, those that are cronnically drunk or stoned, or abuse the system do not qualify, is that cold hearted, perhaps but it was thier choice.

Inter net is every where here. across the road from KAF is a Afgan inter net cafe, i don't recommned the coffee, Can't really comment on what type of inter net we have here, lets just say it would be the same as home, some is military, some of it's provided by Canadian companies....

Ok lets go over this again, it's assistance, meaning to help a person thru tougher times, it does not mean, sitting at home , or not working at all , it means doing everything you can to make ends meet, that may getting 2 jobs, or moving, retraining, more education, etc etc.... So your saying that all persons on welfare are not condemned to a life of crime....and you are agreeing that the life of crime is a choice, much as it is to say work, i mean if you can live the life of crime you should be able to work...i think that was already establish a while back....which brings us back to why are they not working in the first place....

Ok i'll own that mistake , did'nt notice the date, that makes me an idiot so be it...i asked you for a quote which would prove that bold statement "you made was in fact true, and you gave us something that proves nothing.... I think you did read the entire post, and thats the best you can come up with is idiot, but then again is'nt that what you call everyone that does not share your opinions or thoughts......i know you busy guy, and got important things to do, so really what did you think of the rest of the post....you see all i'm doing is sitting in the back of some LAV (light armoured veh) (for you intelect types) here in Afgan, setting some facts straight getting ready to watch the sun come up....

I'm going to ask the question everyone is afraid to, why? and for this new pay raise what is the nation getting in return....the whole concept was welfare was to assist, not be the entire support system.... Not everyone here was born with a silver spoon stuck up are arse, most of us have been there done that. shit even today i don't think i would be considered "business class" but i like everyone else works hard for thier money, and we'd like to know what we get for our dime... So your saying it's not about chioces, like all the commericials and movies say....your on welfare your bound for a life of crime....i say bullshit...my mother had a full time job during the day, and a part time one at night, then came home and done what every mother across the nation does, made sure her kids where feed and clothed and had clean clothes for the next day....why is it she and her generation can do it, and not todays....we did not have much growing up, but my 3 brothers lead a normal life , got good jobs, the exception is my sister, but thats another story, today she to has a normal life....nobody in jail, or leading the life of crime.... The life of crime is a chioce.

Last year over 1.7 million people in Canada were on welfare. either way you slice it, 20%, 10 % or even 1 %, i think she has a piont it's alot of money that could be diverted into those cases that need it... welfare.

Musharraf's book, 'In the Line of Fire', is the source of the bold statement I made, you can read about it in this article: Thats some source, Musharraf would not confirm it in front of the US pres, because of a book contract....your source does not even say in what context is was given .....but i guess you read the book, oh wait it's not due out yet, according to your source .....give me a break. give us all a break....where not buying it either.... I think you should read some history about Federally Administered Tribal Areas, and the North-West Frontier Province ,of Pakistan it suggests that there was problems in these areas dating back to 1979, sorry but thats well before the twin tower attacks, in fact it's well before any US or NATO coalition decided to attack in fact it even sugests that most of the area is control by pakistani taliban...imigine that. 1979-1991 [edit] Soviet invasion The decade-long war in Afghanistan had a negative impact on the tribal areas and their infrastructure. With Pakistan becoming the frontline state in the war of resistance against the Soviet forces, the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan virtually ceased to exist. The tribal belt became the main supply route for the Mujahideen fighting the Soviets. The tribal areas provided a base for the Mujahideen, and weapons, supplies, and other war sustenance efforts were routed from these areas.[citation needed] Large numbers of Afghan refugees arrived in the FATA, placing pressure on the local resources. In some cases, refugees outnumbered the local population. The war also brought a culture of guns and drugs.[citation needed] During this period, the economy of the tribal areas, which was already underdeveloped, suffered enormously. The local administration, which already exercised only nominal control over the tribal population, was rendered totally ineffective under the impact of the ongoing war in Afghanistan. The result was that all kinds of illegal activity, like smuggling, drug trafficking and gun running, flourished in these areas. tribal areas. And with everything that was on going it was not until 2007 that the Pakistani government decided to get serious.... 2007 anti-militancy campaign On June 4, 2007, the National Security Council of Pakistan met to decide the fate of Waziristan and take up a number of political and administrative decisions to control "Talibanization" of the area. The meeting was chaired by President Pervez Musharraf and it was attended by the Chief Ministers and Governors of all 4 provinces. They discussed the deteriorating law and order situation and the threat posed to state security. To crush the armed militancy in the Tribal regions and the NWFP, the government decided to intensify and reinforce law enforcement and military activity, take action against certain madrassahs, and jam illegal FM radio stations.[13] waristan Actually i did'nt come up with it, so i won't take credit....I do recognize the purpose of people that challange our everyday practices and way of life, and i do think that some people who invoke change for the better are productive and nessicary for our society to grow.....but i think you give yourself way to much credit... i don't see your posts as challanging our everyday practices or our way of life, but rather as whinning, coming across as someone who is not happy with our way of life, in fact blaming it for some of the worlds more serious problems....your a finger pionter....you offer no solutions,in fact you don't really even piont out the problem....except to say our entire way of life is why the third world is the way it is today.... And while you pat your self on the back, wrap yourself up in the flag and start including yourself as one of the great evisionaires of our country, you seem to forget that this country was built by and defended by us little common people that put aside our lifes, to ensure that those rights and freedoms you say you gave us which are really just fancy words strung together and mean nothing until they are put into action and defended by us common folks. SO really what i'm trying to say is sit back down, and put your hands together for the real hero's of the nation....the little people.... I'm sure there is, if your pionting to the fact that we are all slaves in todays world, all chasing the almighty dollar then yes lets talk about it....my slavery has paid for 3 kids education, a new home and guess what just purchased a new dodge truck, that eats gas like it's poring out of the ground....and you know what i one happy SOB....i'm sure most Canadians can share a good slavery story with us....But for some reason i don't think your so lucky....or maybe your luckier than most and have reached that piont you have everything and don't see the piont....well i'm not there yet... I'm still looking for the piont actually, help an old guy out.....your right it was not the Afgan peoples fault, they where held like hostages by thier government of the day, which decided to play chicken with the US and NATO and lost....Nations must pay the price for thier misdeed....The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are still trying to force the Majority of Afgans into a way of life and they want nothing to do with....Our Nation has decided that we will help with both crushing those little scumbags into dust, plus assist where we can to re build a nation....it's the crushing the scumbags into dust that you have a problem with , i know you intelects are a bit squimish....but if you have seen with your own eyes what this group of men have done to thier own people, you may not be of the same mind frame...Holy shit your right again, there is no good war, all wars bring about nothing of any real value except death and destruction, it's out of the ashes of war that good things grow...things like freedom, basic rights for all, hey even the right to post shit on the internet....

Show's in the polls, in Fact they are third in a three man race, Jack's leadership abilities are so strong that he is behind MR Dion's....that fact has got to say something....

I think our welfare system across the nation is over due for a major overhaul. it's riddled with problems some of them mentioned here, not enough staff to ensure all recipants are recieving the proper care the need, or to catch those abusing the system, the 20 % figure of those that abuse the system is the ones we know about i'm sure thats alot higher, everyone knows someone who's abused it..... Most welfare programs do have job placement,or job assistant programs, disability programs etc etc...for those that want it or qualify for it.... and i'm sure Canadians on both side of the fence will agree there is alot more that could be done for those that deserve it... My sister has abused the welfare system for years, as a single mom of twins , she once told me she could not afford to get off welfare and work as she made more money on the welfare system....She must of taken about 20 courses for different jobs, all payed by you and me, always finding an excuse not to accept a job in that field....and this went on for years, and it was not just my sister, it was all her friends, all taking advantage of the system, and all able bodied people....anyways i developed a bad taste in my mouth when it comes down to welfare recieptants....atleast my sister and her friends... Had the system been tougher, had more hands on, with my sister i sure she would not have lasted as long as she did... The key is Assistance, to assist you in your time of need, no where does it say support you, or provide for you....it says assist....Sorry but there are millions of Canadians that go thru some hard times and crawl there way out....for those that abuse the system they should be charge with something under the criminal code, then drug down to those that really are in need of assistance and ordered to perform community service...maybe repairing homes, cleaning up nieborhoods....

Which leads to the question, why can they do more with less money....each country divides up it's defense budget differently, so it's not really fair to directly compare. for example, most nations Militaries do not pay for foreign deployments such as Afgan, or UN missions...While the UN pays Canada to take part, only a small percentage of those funds goes back into DND coffers.....other things that come out of the budget, are our National disaster preparedness funds, some Equipment purchases, O&M funds, which include infra structure update and up keep, pay, equip maint costs, etc etc... Other things that need to be taken into context are how well we are payed, our benifits, standard of living, it all costs money in some cases major amounts.

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Maybe i'm wrong but i thought i seen US pres Bush declare it shortly after 9/11. Yes they had and when the US government called them on it , somehow mr Bin Ladin could not be found.....imigine lost in a country that knew the where abouts of every last dog, and donkey, but could not find someone so well known as bin ladin.... Now your fishing, but i'll bite anyways...Techinical your right, they have not been very forth coming in there actions to keep the terrorist out of Afgan....but then again we are not dealing with the average run of the mill third world country here are we, this one has nukes....so needs to be handled alittle different don't you think.....but as the leader of Afgan government would you not expect a neibouring country to police it's own borders....So could we not expect the US and NATO government along with the Afgan government to do the same, put some presure on the Pakistani government to control it's own borders....and if they can not how long must Afgan submit to these conditions before it takes action.... Such as the remote attacks across the border we see now,,,

I stand corrected , i was looking at the wrong figures that was the debt, not defense budget....

Denmark has 25,000 full time , and 63,000 home guard pers.and spends 1.3 of the GDP on defense. denmark population of 5,468,120 people http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107460.html Switzerland. has 220,000 soldiers, spends about 1.06 % GDP Population of 7,554,661 people. I think when we you compare everything such as population, and size of country i think you'll find that they do have sizable militaries, and they are doing there job of keeping thier nations defense....But they are far from keeping no military or token forces.... Compared to Canada's commitment they are in the big leagues, We have 59,000 reg , and 40,000 res But we have over 33,mil people.

Thats some stretch, name two and what they have contributed to the european landscape that has been earth shattering.

I'd be curious to know just how the US started the the war on terror, where things quite at the white house and they just randomily picked Afganistan, and said hey lets have a war, call it the war on terror.....or was this whole war on terror started when serveral nut bars drove planes into some buildings killing over 3000 people. They were forced to take more than 7 bil dollars in aid, and military funding ? then the US government had the nerve to ask the Pakistani government to control thier own borders, to keep thier problems from spilling into afganistan.... But you go beyond that and make the bold statement that someone actually called up Musharraf and threaten him with " Pakistan would be 'bombed back into the stone-age" if he did not comply.... Could you please provide a quote on that on who called, when they called you know some basic facts.... But it is much easier to package them all up in a nice little box with a fancy bow and say, to the world see this is all the US fault....it had nothing to do with the Pakistani government and it's decisions it made to control a portion of thier own country, trying to contain refugees or pakistani pushtuns from entering Afganistan for one purpose only...."So they are linked to the war on terror"....But thats not what this is about....it's not about pakistan not be able to control a porous border, which allows terrorist to come and go, when they please ,giving them a huge advantage when operating in Afgan again'st NATO soldiers....No it's about blaming the US , despite what the terrorist scumbags do.... Sort me out here we should care about them but we should'nt get involved, what is it that your trying to say here....and your right it's all about self interest no matter how thin you slice it.... This is the part i'm suppose to take my hanky out and wipe away the tears right, Capitalism and the free market are what built most western countries, if you feel guilty about having so much then move, another great option of Capitalism and the free market your not forced to take part....And while you are quick to piont our our shortfalls you neglected to piont out that any of it's good pionts, maybe you where saving that for another post.....And just how many Canadians actually question why or for that matter give a shit....how Walmart can sell sneakers at 3 dollars, would they actually put them back if they were made in China, pakistan...or what ever country.... and that is a big leap on your part to suggest that they might all be made by child labour...

I think Argus hit the nail on the head with this one...Puchasing equipment our military needs today off the shelf would cost well over 150 bil....can you imagine the price tag if we had to foot the bill for R&D as well, not to mention we can't afford to wait 8 to 10 years for them to come up with a product that may or may not work....Then have to pay for more R&D money to keep that product updated with the latest in tech.... And you want this from a country who's military has problems with keeping 2500 soldiers in Afgan, good luck with that...

The size of the current us mislitary is 2.5 million, there defense budget is in the trillions and it's peace time, Canada increasing it's military strength to 3 million is a war time scenio....with a war time budget.