Army Guy

I'm not sure about other government depts, But upon retirement each member is entitled to one final move, be it next door, or across the nation. where you may be getting confused is travel allowance, and the first 500 km of travel does not count thats on the member to pay, after that your entitled to x amount per Km, plus meals and lodgings.... The military does not move anyone just 40 KM's, a member can take many postings with in the same area or city if you will, such as Ottawa, has hundrds of positions that one could bounce around at...but you are only entiled to that one move....If a member decides he made the wrong chioce or wants to move to a different neiborhood then that move is on his dime...The military only covers the intial move....That is if it is a normal posting.....Again retirement is a different ball of wax....and just one more note....alot of members that do retire stay in the neiborhoods they have lived in, and waive the last move...So this is not as big as one would think... Not sure why but some are forgetting, Generals are responsable to hold meetings, dinner parties, etc in their homes, and purchase home that can handle these functions.....when he retired there is no need to do these functions any more , why not downsize get his wifes dream home, in this case was 10 mins away...I'm not a big liberal fan either but the Gen has done nothing wrong...

Yes there is alot of Computer intel, for example cell phome monitoring is done by capturing all cell phone calls in a area, or country the computer listens for certain key words, and compares voice recongition if picked up that info gets checked out by a human operator....if it is a priorty piece of intel that number gets flagged, and monitored until it dies.... i would bet a years wages that a strike would not be done unless that target was on the phone...I would also bet that this would not be the only piece of intel hard ware to be used, Sat imaging could confirm if target is the one they are looking for, or assets on the ground could do the same thing ...i don't think they just blast off a few missles see who we got..... ..if they had dumped it the human operator would know "hey can you pick up some milk on the way home.....vice some coded talk about terrorist things....besides the people who tossed it would then be picked up once again by computer....it can happen quite fast...dump it use another phone from approx the same loction, remember there is also vioce recongition that can pick up users on any phone., clean phones are becoming a thing of the past ....Tech has come along way....Is the system 100 % infalable , NO....but i don't think some computer is launching missles willy nilly.

I think there is some confusion here, maybe including myself now. How can you enforce a nation to uphold this convention if they have not signed on to it. Hence why i agreed with Jacee, the example Overthere posts gives the impression that the states parties have signed onto this convention... A nation could be part of the conflict but did not sign on to that convention.

I wonder what you have to do to become a suspected terrorist ? ...what is the guide lines that the US has set ? ...maybe this policy is a good one, until we know what and how these suspected terrorist are selected i'll reserve judgement.... targeting known Terrorist i'm all for it bring down the rain.....

And i was just commenting on that going to school or living in a coutry for a few years does not give him any legal connection to it....., does he have a Afghanis citizenship, or was he a guest in their country.....And he paid them back by joining a terrorist group that help surpressed them....and it seems your OK with that ? I'm not making excuses for other governments here i don't agree with all our foreign policies or that of other nations. This debate is about Omar and his crimes.....his choices and actions. You have claimed that you have served in the military, my question to you is where, and did you serve in Afghanistan.

It's not a fine line, it's black and white, your correct Parties means parties to the convention, however in para 10 it explains that non state actors or guerrilla forces are forbiden ....Omar belong to a terrorist group, which has no state, There has been no movement on charging any of the Khadrs with any crimes, including his mother sole surviving parent. There is bills on the cabinet floor that adress some of the problems but your right they do not go far enough. Omar will be out when he is finished is term, and like so many of his kind will be back in the future....and we'll all be asking WTF did'nt see that coming....

Not sure it is incompetence, it's not a perk but nessicary for all military members, from Pte to CDS. Those members have to move when ordered, during their carear they may have to move every 6 to 8 years, as you get up the food chain, these guys move every 2 to 3 years.... Upon retirement they are reponsiable to move you back to the place you joined at...that being said you are not forced to return exactly where you joined , during a carear you may have found a spot you really like....how it is based is they take where you are now, how much it would cost to move you back to your home town, and that is the max you can claim....keep in mind they will pay your realitor fees, lawyers fees, and other fees even if you stay in the same city.... As a General he makes a good wage and could afford a million dollar home....but this is rare in the forces...taking this away is not the solution....but would place a burden on the majority of members..you can't offer it to the selected few, to be fair it must be offered to all.

What does that have to do with anything, I went to school in germany, france, england...i've lived in all across the globe, that however does not give me the right to terrorize anyone from that nation or pick up arms and fight again'st the government of the time.... Give me a break ? he was fighting with a terror organization, opressing people in Afghan....you can't have it both ways on one hand you say he is Canadian and should be entitled to all his rights and freedoms that every Canadian has....on the other hand you said he lived in Afghan for a short period of time entitles him to what exactly ? ....According to any convention he was a non combatant.....until he decided to pick up arms and fight along side a terrorist group now he is an illigal combatant .... I think you should read Canadian law in regards to fighting in aother nations wars as an illigal combatant...maybe even read the convention about combatants and terrorists......

My piont was gitmo holds but a small fration of the prisoners caught and housed....And i totally agree with you we have Omar right where we want all terrorist behind bars....and we should be making more of an effort to put the rest behind bars as well.

Normal and Retirement postings: Once a member of the military or RCMP decides they are going to retire or gets told they are posted they are entitled to a complete move paid by tax payers, this was set up to normally get member back to his home town or the place they signed up at....so if he joined in NFLD and decided to retire in BC they will pay up to the amount it would cost them to move him to NFLD, The member is on the hook if it costs more. There are no rules regarding where a member retires at....nor should there be... In the Generals case he purchased a home within city limits , in the course of the Generals duties he would have to entertain alot,be it military staff, civilian staff, foreign military vistors, politicians, you name it..... so the type of home would reflect that, He is a general in the CF, so he'd have to have a home approved for security proto calls , So location may or may not be his choice, other considerations are also taken into account...in the end yes he has a butiful house that may or may not be what the wife wants, more suited to his job requirements than hers.... So he is retiring, the military give this option to all soldiers,regardless to how far they move or where the move.... kind of thanks for coming out....Now as with anything the government pays for there is strict rules, some are tax free , most are not, anyone that has moved knows that it cost alot, when paying for the little things, like condiments from the frig, window coverings, rugs and mats, new propane tanks, any flameable items you have, or the long list movers will not move at any time,each member is only allow to ship one veh, if your wife is not in the military ,it's on your dime, to drive it along with all the fuel, own a boat or atv you can move one trailer, any more on your dime.....So additional costs do add up... To off set some of these costs Government pays out a free months wages....which are taxed...they pay out miliage to move one veh and trailer, barely covers gas you spend, they do give you a food allowance for the move days only...trust me you not eating steak...its burgers for everyone....a few other little things the cover it barely covers your move.... The also cover realtor fees, lawyers fees and some other costs that you may occur in the selling of your home, Now sometimes the military will not give you any time to sell your home, i've seen guys being told you got a week, i want you across the country in 7 days....this is why military wifes rock, the member goes to the new Job, his wife takes care of the whole move along with the kids etc.... while the man will sometimes secure new quaters if he can find them, until he does the family stays put....And if you own a home you may be forced into 2 mortages....I've done this serval times, eat lots of kraft dinner to make it work.... Since the governments/ DND decision to tear down hundrds of PMQ's there is not much of a selection left, those that are left, are being renting for the same rate as on the economy...Say a 1200 sq foot home rented for 1200 bucks a month in your city then that is what your PMQ rent is based on, only it was built in the early 50's....I once had a PMQ that we could not burn candles in the living room because the draft from the windows blew them out....today PMQ's are getting better but still have a long way to go to make it to the levels of what is available on civy street. Keep in mind DND does not get any of the rent in return, that goes back to government coffers. So 76,000 sould alot but as someone has already explained most of that went in realtor fees....Not many members own a milion dollar plus home so these expenditures are rare.

Are you saying that there is no organization that could see to these aligations, the UN, another western country, wiki leaks, shit there has to be someone .....Is there proof that these aligations took place,

That would be a perfect example, however why have no charges been laid or why has their been no investigation that produced evidence .

Your blowing smoke here.... Illigal combatants has been in the convention dating back to WWI...so it was not an american retooling for the war.... The Taliban should have thought about that before they went out on a limb to protect Bin Ladin and his merry men....As for not having a real army, well over 100,000 .....thats not a real army ?, thats almost twice that of the Canadian military....with tanks and stuff as well.... Most of those Civilians were foreigners ....The regular people of Afghan were elated to have the taliban gone....Once the interm government was est, they asked the coalition to stay and help restore power back to the government..... Omar was a Canadian , with no ties to Afghan at all, he joined a terrorist group, not the Afghan army, he was fighting to opress the people of Afghan....Why can't you see that ????

Just a question how many prisoners did gitmo hold at any one time, ? or was gitmo the prison that US forces kept the special guys of interest....i would not say that they're were no innocent prisoners in gitmo but the odds are probably like winning the lotto.

Well for that to be true first we would have to see which conventions, or for that matter Inter national law is being broken by Canada. I mean you must have serveral examples if you made a statement as the above one.

Would you say Omars terrorist sex tape was not proof of intent, and skill. that and of course US military reports that confirm US forces did infact have IED strike in that very place that omar said they planted his IED's.

Except in the question to which i responded....so my question to you is... Is Canada in breach of that genva convention regarding the use of child soldiers ? or is it following it to the letter.

Omar was consider an Illigal combantant was he not, and the questioned asked was why Canada does not allow soldiers in combat at age 15 ....i replied because of the different laws we have signed on to prevents that.....

He was 15 .......but this has already posted here his parents were in Pakistan...I forgot who i was posting to, ..he had begged them to let him go to Afghan so he could join his merry band of thugs......Is that what you meant a minor under parental control.... Just a short time later DAD would be dead, killed in a raid by Pakistan authorities his younger brother with a bullet in the spine from the same action ....more edvidence of parental control....He was in a culture that considered him a adult....he was in afghan when he was shot, that should be proof that he did not need parental control.....he was living his life with out his parents....you just don't get it.....

I think you make a suggestion for our cause, those that were released have not learned a thing from their prison term....in fact they have gone out to reoffend, to terrorize the same people again.......well Omar has not had that oportunity because he remains behind bars....where all terrorist should be behind bars.....

How is not legal, in fact after the aledged Prisoner abuse scandal, Canada stop handing over it's prisoners to the US, and gave them to Afghan authorities..even though we knew what would happen to those guys..if they failed to keep direct supervision on...Must be legal or our government would not have done so.... Also i want to add this, if you commit a crime in another country which laws do you answer to.....Canadians are serving sentences all over the world....Canda could send Omar back, but will not as it might be a death sentence, that and the fact as long as we have him this circus side show is contained....

How is that ironic, when your source has said the US and other coalition forces are again'st releasing these guys.....Why are they again'st it, are they still a threat, concerns for security....it may seem ironic to you, but i think they have a strong case....Now the pres of Afghan has a different veiw, his country will be left holding the bag once NATO is gone..... Why are we holding him, it was an agreement between governments to have Khadr returned so he could serve the rest of his term in a Canadian jail...do you think he would have been better off in a US prison? We are not sending any message, Omar has been found guilty of war crimes, and was charged and sentenced.....and now serving that sentence what message do you think it sends ?..... I think so, we saved thousands of people, we gave them the peace that they have longed for for over 30 years of constant war....do you think they were better under taliban rule ? I think the Afghan war has been one of the few we have not done for oil, or profit....but rather good intentions, we may have fallen short in delivering but their standard of living improved while we were there....the inter net is full of fears and concerns from Afghan people on what will happen afetr NATO is gone....how do you explain that? Are you saying there has never been a case here in Canada were a minor, has been held responsable for a adult crime ? Omar crimes are not spray painting some store front....his crimes are he was a canadian would joined a terrorist group that help opress the people of Afghan....where in, he was found guilty of aiding that terroist group, and the murder of a US service men..... Are we saying that all minors should not be held responsable for their actions ever ? And lets get the facts straight he was 2 months away from his 16 th birthday....and on this day god does not come down and strike them on the head and poof you have common sense.....He was a combatant that opressed the people of Afghan....IS that not again'st the law....it is in Canadian law, inter national law, and guess what the frigging Genva convention.....are we to throw all those out as well....... Show me any where under all these laws that it clearly states that a minor can not be held accountable for his actions... Canada does not allow any of it's soldiers that are under 18 in combat, why is that because it is clearly written in Canadian law, inter national law and the genva convention.....Age has nothing to do whether your consider a combatant , it is your actions that controls that... Once your a combatant there is no going back....you become a threat to be eliminated.....to which deadly force is authorized....

Do you think that it was NATO's intention to support terrorist groups ? and how much of the FSA is made up of terrorist groups ? I thought it was NATO intention to give those that wanted to over throw the dictator a fighting chance....Would it not be in our own best interest to support such a change, not only for the country but the region....maybe i'm just dreaming....or do we stick our heads in the sand , watch and hope that things turn out alright.

Thanks for sorting me out on that g_Bambino.....Kind of puts another spin on it does it not ?

So we should do nothing about 2.5 bil loss in revenue while other citizens try and carve out a living... and say nothing of the 2 bil losses that the government could have used towards something else..... Who's pocket is this 4.5 bil going into anyways.....my guess is organized crime....but thats my guess.... And we invest 675 mil to get some of this back, sounds like killing three birds one stone, decrease Organized crime cash flow, keep our law biding citizens in work....stop the loss of tax dollars....