B. Max

The problem is we have allowed a problem to be created where no problem existed.

That's a nice version, but it doesn't make the US a democracy and I don't think the word democracy appears in the US constitution anywhere. Although this is not the original pledge, it probably should have been. The Pledge of Allegiance I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Ummm...yes you do. No I've had enough of your nonsense. Not only are you wasting your time but my also.

You define it.

No I don't. I have told you what the main difference is. What don't you understand. Now answer the questions.

I just told you what the difference is. What my version is doesn't matter nor is it the subject. Everyone these days has their version of democracy. You seem to have a problem answering questions.

Actually not having a monarchy is the main definition of being a republic and not democracy. France and others are republics. Because republics have differences is not what defines them as a republic.

='M.Dancer' date='Apr 26 2007, 12:33 PM' post='212572'] So the US was a republic and now it is not. Is that your contention, and what you posted above is why it is not a republic and therefore defines a democracy. In this country at one time women couldn't vote, or if you didn't own property you couldn't vote. Does that mean we used to be a republic. The US is a republic, that is a fact. It doesn't have a monarchy as head of state. There are many in this country who want to dump the Queen and become a republic. Where the president is directly elected by the voter.

name='M.Dancer' date='Apr 26 2007, 11:02 AM' post='212545'] Well good for you. The point was to show that the two framers who are also quoted there. That from your expert opinion no doubt. You can try to spin it any way you want. The fact remaims the framers had no use for a democracy as I said and created a republic. I doubt it.

Well lets say, the leaders and 20%. Then there are, say around 20% that are actually duped into thinking that the world can be saved by conjuring up energy with what amounts to perpetual motion machines. Add another 20% who are nothing but Marxists looking for a way to get power by getting control of production. Another 20% who like the idea of transferring wealth to the failed third world backwaters of the world, and another 20% who are completely clueless and go along for the ride. But it doesn't matter how it's sliced, it still collectively destroys our economy

I'm not misreading anything. Read the last link I posted above. Read Pat Buchanan's, A Republic Not A Democracy. A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general. The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate. Article 4 section 4 of the constitution. Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,127 and shall protect each of them against Invasion; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 127 "In the light of the undoubted fact that by the Revolution it was expected and intended to throw off monarchical and aristocratic forms," says Cooley ("Principles of Constitutional Law"), "there could be no question but that by a republican form of government was intended a government in which not only would the people's representatives make the laws and their agents administer them, but the people would also directly or indirectly choose the executive."

I agree, but we can certainly destroy the economy. I also agree with this. The objective of the environmental movement is and always has been simply the destruction of energy production. Its further goal is the undoing of the Industrial Revolution and the return of the modern world to the poverty and misery of the pre-Industrial era. http://georgereisman.com/blog/index.html

Actually it is cultural Marxism which has its roots in 1920 Germany and can be traced to the (Frankfurt school) is to blamed for the western worlds current deterioration, and feminism is but of the corner stones of cultural Marxism.

='M.Dancer' date='Apr 24 2007, 10:31 PM' post='211986'] I don't know who Menchen is or what he did. That site is not a wingnut site. It is one of the most complete works on the US constitution there is. http://www.barefootsworld.net/consti11.html Well you can argue it against the senate committee and their conclusions. http://www.barefootsworld.net/senate82.html http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/republic http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/democracy http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/American...cts/demrep.html If you don't want to learn anything, then you are wasting your time.

The framers had no ues for democracy. The US is not a democracy by name or definition. The national guard is the national guard and not the militia. Which even the senate agrees with. http://www.barefootsworld.net/consti11.html#am2 "We are now forming a Republican form of government. Real Liberty is not found in the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments. If we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy, or some other form of dictatorship." --Alexander Hamilton "...democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." --James Madison, Federalist No. 10 (arguing in favor of a constitutional republic) "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." -- John Adams, 1814 "The adoption of Democracy as a form of Government by all European nations is fatal to good Government, to liberty, to law and order, to respect for authority, and to religion, and must eventually produce a state of chaos from which a new world tyranny will arise." -- Duke of Northumberland, 1931 "Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos." -- John Marshall, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court "I have long been convinced that institutions purely democratic must, sooner or later, destroy liberty or civilization, or both." -- Thomas Babington Macaulay "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury." -- Alexander Tytler "Democracy is a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." -- H.L. Mencken "It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience had proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity." -- Alexander Hamilton

I don't think the guy knows what he's talking about. The US is a constitutional republic not a democracy. The national guard is not the militia. Maybe he should get a copy of the constitution and read it. The guy is just another Bush basher.

All these U.S. attornies serve at the pleasure of the president. He can fire them without cause and replace them as he wishes.

I would rather round up all the fifth columnist's and quislings in this country, sent them to Afghanistan and hand them over to the Afghanis where they can keep an eye on each other.

I would be afraid that if they brought them here the lawyers and judges would have them out on the street within a year.

Just one. Where we can send Gore, Strong and their disciples.

Is the Clean Air bill dead? Yup and so is the carbon tax. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate?&tf...bhub=VoteResult

this buffoon is still clueless Quit your stalling. Either do it or admit you can't.

I think they are up at night wondering how they got aqway with stealing the election again. The electoral college is sold out to the globalist / neocons as well. Maybe its that anthrax - maybe they started getting military grade anthrax in the mail like just before the Patriot Act was signed. If you are going to run the world it would be a tough and busy job, one would likely have to stay up all night.

Better check your pulse.

Sure, as long as those nice people at the UN get their cut they'll be happy.