kactus

You express same nationalistic sentiments that many other nations have expressed and failed... You country cannot withstand any of the countries mentioned above without the help of Nato...Whilst president Erdogan can talk the talk he cannot do the walk...

I don't think you can... If Turkey was strong they would have been able to deal with their own issues post Ottoman empire (namely the kurds and armenian massacre post 1915! Reality is the turks really don't have any bargaining power unless they colaborate with other regional as well as world powers. But you know very well this is unlikely given their strive to compete against Iranians as a regional power...There is a fallacy in your argument asserting to kick the Iranians as well as the US and Brits out of the region. I think that's unlikely.

Well stated!

Policies do dictate the state of a nation especially when it concerns foreign meddling in internal affairs.... It is debateable as to whether there is a link or causal relationship to terrorism. Evidence suggests that there is judging by what happened in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Syria. Despite all his ridiculous comments in a televised debate with Hilary 'Dump Trump' made one decent comment at last... At least Russians and Iranians are fighting off their fighters...

Really!?

Agreed...Divisiveness is what is fueling the debate here and some commentaries are not meant to get to solution but just generalising one side of the argument.

I think this was orchastrated by Erdogan. If anything this will make him more authoritarian in future....

Turkey's collaboration with ISIS was not a good news to bolster its position against it''s own kurds....This is good news in light of Turkey being a Nato member and at doorstep of european union....

Eradication at what cost? Another holocaust this time at a leger scale against muslim?The attrocity in nice is abhorrable and that's exactly what these extremists want by isolation of normal muslims from the west. In their eyes their biggest enemy is moderate muslims in my opinion... Everything is wrong with wahabism and their ideology. They hate persians and jews...

To show what exactly!? A muppet promoting religious hatred by being provocative? Yeah I get it....

Question for you.... Do you only have problems with muslims or if anyone from other faiths commits rape it's ok with you?

I am sick and tired of listening to these apologist for Israel who igonore all the warning signs and blame everything on muslims. Talk about hypocrites and dishonesty... "Rabbi Col. Eyal Karim, who was announced on Monday as the IDF's intended new chief rabbi, has provoked controversy with previous misogynistic statements, such as opposing female conscription and implying that rape was permissible in times of war.E "The rabbi gave a more shocking answer on the same site when asked if soldiers were permitted to rape women during war. Karim replied that, as part of maintaining fitness for the army and the soldiers' morale during fighting, it is permitted to "breach" the walls of modesty and "satisfy the evil inclination by lying with attractive Gentile women against their will, out of consideration for the difficulties faced by the soldiers and for overall success." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4827240,00.html Yeah very "civilised man"...

Looks like Theresa May is now set for the PM role

First of all London is not Tokyo which is homogenous to the known world where the concept of immigration is alien. Nor is it Kenya! So the comparison is irrelevant and at best naive. No idea why that comparison Was made in the first place!Anyway...any country with a history of colonisation has seen a degree of people movement whether it has been in the form of slave trades or immigration. So this should not come as a surprise to the known "visitor"...

Rue is quite selective when it comes to things that is wrong with judaism. Apparently there is no ending in critisising muslims but when others point out things that is wrong with his religion or some jews then it's anti-semitism. Rue go and knock yourself out...

Good for them to fill up those positions...No one gives a damn about the so called "visitor" with racist, xenophobic tendencies.... London thrives on asian, blacks and other ethnic groups. Those indians whose second and third generation were brought to London to build the infrastructure of the city with their blood helped the capital of one of the most prestigious countries in the world to flourish. They are not suddenly gonna disappear because certain bigotted individuals/ sub-section of the society are under the illusion that having their country back tantamounts ethnic cleansing....

The beauty of London is that it is multi racial..If you had gone to golders green i(you may already know...,) it is mostly inhabitted with jews. Brixton has mostly blacks and some parts like Southall is traditionally populated with Indians. But to say that whites are minority iin London is just a heresay and ignorant statement...,

Errm no....I merely stated a point with facts regarding Hurtton enquiry and you turned this into personal attack on me by calling my views as an "arrogant authoritarian"...Hutton enquiry and the fabricated 45 minutes deployment of nuclear weapons by Saddam are facts that are well documented! If one wishes to read about them there are tons of sources about these on internet.... I have no problem to have a civil discussion here. However, I refuse to get into rants with individuals who use this place to "nit pick" posts into quote and turn an otherwise valid discussion into personal attack... On that subject, I do have an issue with a democracy that is "packaged" and indoctrinated to us in a way to suit a purpose like rge war in Iraq. What I do find ironic is people like yourself who preach about values of democracy but as soon as they hear a different viewpoint they turn the point of discussion on the person rather than the subject area! You don't know me to judge me and categorise me as someone that makes it so easier in your mind to label as arrogant!

I never took a one sided opinion on this as I said "markedly" leaning towards both camps but more towards the Brexit. The point still stands people did not make an informed decision based on facts and rational thinking but it was an emotional vote based on anger, frustration and deceit by the politicians. Anyway....the point was about merits of democracy and the argument put forth by previous whom I agree with. As for the Iraq war the Hutton enquiry revealed that it was an illegitimate war based on the evidence before the death of the inspector. The reality is we went into a war based on a dossier and false intelligence that had little credibility and just a green light for the powers that be to go to war....

I think brje has a valid point to a certain extent...The premise of Brexit most markedly was based on lies and deceit. That's why some of their voters regretted their decision after the vote results became known and felt they were lied to. You are right in saying that people had the power to reject the prescriptions but it certainly was not when some of the slogans for the campaign were based on propaganda. Iinterestingly, 13 years ago when Tony Blair sided with Bush to take the country into war with saddam under the allegations of "45 minutes deployment of nuclear weapons" dossier (which we know it was a lie) people went on demonstrations in masses against the attack based on made up claims. It didn't stop the politicians to attack Iraq under the false premise of "nuclear arms" and against their people's wishes....

Every society has its own dare share of sc*ms and ignorant , unintelligent people... For sure there is no exception for some deluded youngsters who are using the Brexit results for their own xenophobic/ racist agenda! It's a disgrace... Watch this video this link. A bunch of thugs on a tram in Manchester: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/get-back-to-africa-video-shows-shocking-racist-abuse-on-manchester-tram-34841014.html

And here it is Nigel Farage ...Just the kind of quality or lack of it that there is.... The degree of pomposity of this chap is amusing! On one hands he wants to negotiate a good deal with EU like a "grown up and sensible attitude' and on the other hand he calls other members of EU not ever holding a proper job in their lives or worked in business or trade. What a farce! Here's is his speech... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4ZTuh52wXE

All the holy books were subject to interpretation. The Old testament was no exception. Neither is Koran... It is the movement that sets groups aside from the rest of the society.

Exactly so!

Whilst I agree with the sentiment that the outcome of the referendum is irrevocable the way this campaign was executed was based on lies and deceit. That is to justify the means.