Moonbox

You don't seem to know what fallacy even means. The universe exists. We know this. The only question is whether it had a beginning, or if it's always just been. If you believe it had a beginning, and that there was nothing before, you have to rationalize what created any of it. God is the explanation, but where did God come from? If he was just always there, as you'd argue, then there's no reason the Universe couldn't have just always been there too. The fact that it's infinitely vast and complex explains nothing. Regardless, a theological debate is a waste of time. You're not wrong for believing in God, or even in Christianity or whatever. What is wrong is that you think the scribblings and proclamations of a bunch of wealthy, privileged clerics and bureaucrats from 2000 years ago in one small part of the world is preferable/truer/wiser than those from other parts of the world, or even worse, should be followed before observable science. Oh my. The Earth is also flat, I suppose?

I mean, if you can convince every woman in Canada to have 3 children, then sure, we can talk about immigration. Until then, there's really nothing to say. Our economy and our nation is based (at present) on expansion and growth and it has been since colonial days, and we're still highly undeveloped compared to most of the rest of the world.

Uh excuse me, but the fact checker are just spooks controlled by Big Pharma, Big Tech and/or the monolithic world-spanning authority of Klaus Schwab.......................

This is pedestrian logic, peddled for ages. If the universe needed a creator, then the the creator would need a creator too. There's can't be nothing. If you have faith in something, there's really nothing wrong with that. It's in many cases a good thing. It's just foolish when one group decides that their beliefs are more important than others, or that their beliefs are more important to uphold/enforce than other people's freedom and rights. That you think mosques being built quicker than churches is a problem is very telling of where you fit on the spectrum.

I guessed you missed it, but the destiny for Canada is secularism. The churches aren't being replaced with mosques. They're being closed down because codified superstition is progressively becoming less and less appealing to a highly educated Western World. That a bunch of muslims are immigrating here and building mosques is hardly something to be worried about. Let them. In a generation or two their children will mix with the general population and join the rest of the country in secular living.

but not at all. That's just your aggressive ignorance speaking. We've heard it all before though. You're a broken record.

Why not everyone take the bus? That's even greener!

Problem is that you've now priced out lower income families from the car market, which is always the Achilles heel of feel-good green plans. Economy cars are not our carbon problem. Truck driving suburbanites and city-folk are.

In two whole years? That's doesn't really mean much of anything. The USD's strength is based on its reserve status and little more. If you paid your mortgage off over the last three years, it was probably mostly paid off anyways. Your car loan was likely fixed rate, so these anecdotes aren't exactly remarkable. Most of the people saying "they saw this coming" were predicting inflation would spiral out of control. By next year it will probably be back close to normal, and all of the crypto-bros and conspiracy clowns will conveniently forget how wrong they were in their proclamations. *edit* This post seems aggressive against you groot and it wasn't meant to be. As far as spending sending inflation out of control, we're not at a point where it's really hitting yet. The government hasn't been printing money to pay off the debt. Our credit ratings haven't tanked (yet). The problem is that this is the trajectory Trudeau-style spending has us on. It will become a big problem, and much sooner than he'd have us believe.

Thanks for your input Dougie. ?

Because frothing up the furthest reaches of your "base" is how party leaders get elected. It's same for the Liberals. Pierre told the Bible-Thumpers, the libertarians, the crypto-bros and all of the folk out west who are angry at Trudeau (and let's be honest - they have some reasons to be) exactly what they wanted to hear. As you say, reality starts to sink in now. Now he has to pivot from just repeating people's sentiments back to them to actually forming a winning identity. I don't like the guy, but if he can muzzle the donkeys in his party like Harper did, and if the bullshit about crypto and the truckers etc was just making noises they wanted to here, I could see myself giving him a chance.

No joker. You're not getting it. PP's getting criticized for dumb comments about bitcoin. That's perfectly justified. To then pivot to Trudeau and pipelines, as if one has anything whatsoever to do with the other, is foolish. That's nothing but whataboutism. Feel free to criticize Trudeau for botching the pipeline file - you're fully justified there. The difference between the two situations was that it was perfectly reasonable to believe a pipeline could get built and operational and profitable in Canada, whereas proposing bitcoin as an alternative to central banking is not.

I already DID comment on it, at least a couple of times. PP's crypto talk is moronic, but I think he knows that. To complain about "Justinflation" whilst lauding Bitcoin (which dropped -50% in value over a year) is totally ABSURD.

Get the freaking pipelines built already. If Pierre does nothing but that as Prime Minister, he'll have accomplished more than Trudeau ever did.

I never said you mentioned it, but you can obviously acknowledge that it has been PP's primary talking point over the last few months. Folks are quick to blame him for it, though it has practically nothing to do with him. Government largesse absolutely has a role in causing inflation, but it's not an immediate effect and what we've seen thus far has very little to do with Justin's policy. It's the same everywhere in the world. It's when the government starts having to print money to pay back and service the debt where we really land in hot water. That's where Justin has us headed, and quickly. That's the Trudeau way. Like his father before him, he'll torpedo our public finances and set the country back 30 years financially.

Which has always been the easiest and most brilliant scam of the political right. Did Trump help working-class Americans? Nope. Did he help big business? For sure.

The best part is that he's been making all of these crypto-bro noises amidst a general collapse in cryptocurrencies everywhere. Yes! A great alternative to bogeyman central banking "manipulation" are worthless electronic tokens propped up by nothing but ponzi and greed! If you don't like $CAD inflation, get a load of Bitcoins 1-year devaluation! It's too stupid to fathom.

Pierre Polievre "gets away" with saying all sorts of stupid shit too. All of his talk about central banks and bitcoin etc are complete nonsense and he's smart and educated enough to know that. He's just making the noises the rabble want to hear and he got elected party leader because of the dumb stuff he says, rather than anything smart. Now that he controls the party, he can maybe start talking like a real leader with real ideas rather than screeching his base's talking points back to them.

Trudeau's been criticized heavily, both in the media and just generally, for his bromidic platitudes and vapid "sunny day" answers. Every time he opens his mouth I can pretty much pre-empt what he's going to say by stringing together words like, "As Canadians, we have to be look forward to the future and we can be proud of how Canadian we are in our hope for Canada and something something Unity blah blah blah."

There are two sides to that argument. If you're going to blame Trudeau for inflation (which has little/nothing to do with him), you should also give him credit for how well we've fared compared to most of the rest of the world (whose inflation is worse). Of course he deserves credit for neither, but let's not cherry-pick to suit our political viewpoints. Fact is that inflation is a global phenomenon and thus blaming it on Trudeau is foolish to start. An ounce of objective reasoning should show you that. Similarly, Canada's (relative) better position on inflation is due entirely to the War in Ukraine and commodity prices keeping our dollar strong, which counteracts the forces of inflation (to an extent). Trudeau had no hand in that either. This is where Trudeau should be criticized. He is grossly overspending and mismanaging our finances, but that's not what's driving inflation. He's just quickly creating a public finances crisis.

@betsy Do you feel CAPITAL LETTERS in RANDOM PLACES with CHANGES in COLOUR make your post more COMPELLING!? It doesn't. It's hard to even tell what point you're trying to make here.

Yeah but whatabooout THAT OTHER THING?

Certainly. We'll see how things go. Nope, but then I don't support Trudeau either. I think the next election is going to come down to who's going to do the most harm. Trudeau will torpedo public finances for a generation just like his father did, and we'll have to wait and see if PP's bullshit during his leadership bid was just to placate the rabid base. Yeah I guess. I didn't really know what the background was for that. I was in university at the time and didn't really understand what the big deal was. Both sides, certainly. It's scary.

It's devolving to tribalism, and we're only a few steps behind the Americans on that. I always have. I've considered myself very fiscally conservative, but not so much on social issues. My voting history has been heavily skewed towards conservatives (60-70 % for Federal and 100% provincially). I just don't identify with the conspiracy circus and their antics turn me away (like they did in the last election). and nobody would go to your town hall meetings to demand someone lose their job if they said something ignorant about women or whatever. They'd just note you as an ignorant ass and move on, and/or talk about you behind your back. Certainly, but politics is too often observing which way the wind is blowing and jumping in front of the crowd to "lead" them where they were already going. It always amazed me that liberals or whatever you want to call them couldn't understand how Trump got elected, when I would argue they were indirectly responsible for getting him there in the first place (or at least someone like him). If you don't govern from the centre and for the centre, and if you continue to refuse any compromise, the backlash will be fierce and swift.

I'm not talking about inflation here. I'm talking about government overspending, which Trudeau is guilty of. He was overspending before the pandemic and he's overspending now. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and accept the COVID stimulus and lockdowns, but the way he's expanding the federal public service is just bad fiscal management - full stop. You're absolutely right that "Justinflation" is a circus act that every opposition around the world is using to attack its standing government, but there is at least a grain of truth to it. Running huge and unnecessary deficits makes the problem worse, not better.