I miss Reagan

Thanks for obliging me ( I just joined) I can only assume that you have had to defend this assinine decision countless times. Let me deconstruct your points if I may. The World did not believe that Iraq had WMD, even after Powell tried to convince us, some countries bought in most didn't, have you ever seen the list of countries in the so called 'Coallition of the Willing" ? I'd very much like to disagree with the notion that you infere that other countries, specifically Germany, Russia and France dealt illegally with them... lets see some proof, I can only imagine what you may have... By the way, did the US not originally deal with the Taliban and arm and train them? Russia is dealing with Checnyan Muslims that should be left alone to govern themselves ( and no I am not defending them) just like the other former Soviet countries, perhaps the policies there, in Israel and in Iraq dictate the kind of response that these people feel is appropriate?? You can have the last word on this one. I'm not going round and round again on this. See if someone else will bite.

Innocent men my ass. They are there to steal Iraq's oil, plain and simple, and the whole friggin' world knows it, no matter how much the sick right wing fascist media in North America try to supress it. :angry: So they deserved to have their heads cut off? Here is the evil oil thief and his family. You are a disgrace. Jack

How is that? with all the military support we provide! LOL or is it our great diplomacy with our anti-american population and our anti-american national news agency. MS you are awsome!

I wonder if the world will ever learn that ignoring a problem will not make it go away. It thought it was interesting when Koffi was pushing for economic sanctions against Sudan the other day. The myopic left has no stomach for a military intervention which would save lives in the long run, but would rather perpetuate the problem by contributing to the slow starvation of hundreds of thousands.

The topic of the Iraq war is so redundant, and I've grown tired of going through it again and again. But I'll oblige you. I support fighting the war on their doorstep, not ours. The world believed Iraq to have and to be creating WMD. The US stood to lose the most from Iraq have WMD. While the world believed Iraq had WMD Russia, France and Germany didn't want to go after them. Why would they, Iraq wasn't threatening them and they were making a lot of money dealing illegally with them. The rest of the world had sanctions against Iraq which did nothing but starve and kill thousands of innocent people slowly. So in a nut shell I'm in favour of Bush doctrine which is now becoming Putin doctrine as well now that Russia is realizing what kind of people we're fighting.

Even the Gore campaign considered the allegations unfounded. full story

Why don't you watch the latest beheading MS. Maybe you should see some of the guys in action that you like to defend. Beheading of Eugene Armstrong

How typical of you MS. Blame the victims. Take away all accountablily from the evil doers who cut off the heads of those innocent men. You sound a lot like some of the muslims I've talked to who say "ya Osama is a bad man but the US pushed him to do it". You follow some of the same logic of the rapist who says "she deserved it, her skirt was short". Real classy pal.

This is the difference between the left and the right. If a conservative guy smacked a pie in the face of a politician (even though that's not our MO) he'd be labeled a right wing fascist trying to stop fair political discussion and free speech. But when it's a left wing nut case slamming pies at people it's a form of political expression or free speech.

It doesn't matter if Clinton is in power or not, the point is the Bush haters didn't hold him even close to the same standard as Bush. If there ever was a lying President it was Clinton, not Bush. Al Queda doesn't want WMD's or nuclear capabilities? Argue that one. And no I haven't spoken to them, I prefer to keep my head on my shoulders. You on the left and your spoksmen in the left biased media were crying for results the day after it started. From the beginning the President said that the war on terror would be a long drawn out war. Could you make a more blatently false statement? He was honorably discharged. Whether you get your info from Dan Rather or Moveon.org I think you need to find some new sources. And why are you so concerned with a 30 year old issue that has been resurected again and again by Bush haters. It's backfiring for you. You just make Bush look better. Just like Kerry trying to portray himself as a war hero 30 years ago and then challenged the Repubs to "bring it on" and challenge his record. It just backfires. The irrationality of the hatred by Bush haters is so incredibly obvious. Kerry, Clinton and even their beloved UN all believed that Iraq had WMD's yet Bush is the one who somehow misled Americans. To this day Clinton and Kerry still say the attack on Iraq was the right decision. Yet Bush is some how the bad guy. Why don't you guys spend your hate energy on the real bad guys in the world like the Sudanese government, Mugabe in Zimbabwe, or the terrorists killilng school children?

...and the irrational hatred of Bush goes on.... and on. Gosh I almost don't want him to win so I don't have to listen to litany of fallacy ridden tirades. You and Dan Rather obviously have the same sources. (and you wonder why Fox News is so popular) This is the problem I have with Bush haters. You'll believe any crap that's fed to as long as it is anti-Bush. When you're not calling him a moron you're triffleing over petty speech foibles. Oddly you hold him to a completely higher standard than you do other world leaders or previous presidents, with the exception of Reagan. You don't cry out over the innocent civilians killed by Clinton's 'unilateral' attack on Kosovo. Ya that's right Clinton went against the UN on that one and Chretien supported him. So why is that ok? You never pull the unilateral card on that one. You call Bush a fascist yet you ignore the real Islamofacsists in the middle east and in Sudan killing women and children in schools. But somehow Bush is the biggest threat to the world and somehow all the Islamo -terror is caused by Bush because he provoked them. The same people who are slowly slicing off the heads of innocent people are the same people who want nuclear bombs and chemical weapons. Yet Bush is the bad guy for stoping them.

Couldn't agree with MS more on this one. Canadians are incredibly hypocritical. Unfortunately it isn't limited to only the weed/alcohol issue.

Hey TS, MS. I'm curious how you'd feel if they were throwing pies in the faces of the murderous prisoners at Abu Ghraib? I'm sure you'd be crying for blood for that wouldn't cha?

Where'd they all go!? Ya I agree this is a good site for keeping the discussion relatively civilized, especially considering the emotion evoking topics involved. For more polarized adhominem debate go to Destroy Canada

Give me permission to slam a pie in your face as hard as I can when you're not looking. I dare you!

I say decriminalize MJ and increase the penalties for impaired driving to be equal to those of Europe ie. loss of driving privilages for life.

He got off way too easy. I think anyone who pies, spits on, pushes, threatens, etc. a politician should be given a minimum of 6 months in prison. I don't care if it's Chretien, Layton or Klein. It's unacceptable and it's not funny.

It'll be close but Bush will win. Kerry is too much of a flip flopper and to far left for the American people. He's made some stupid tactical mistakes like bringing up his military record and challenging those who disagree with his record to "bring it on". Many of the Clintonista Dems want Kerry to lose so the path will be clear for Hilary in '08.

Huh, we agree on something my man!

Wow some of you really hate Christians eh? MS seems to lead the charge. I wonder how your comments would be recieved if you replaced "Christian" with "Muslim". Hmmm one might label you 'intolerant', 'racist', or a 'bigot'. Ah yes the selective tolerance of the left, gotta love it.

This is true, the libs in Canada used fear to promote their agenda. But they had a willing and gullable population to believe them. As for Cheney's comments, the US people have real cause for fear. With the last Dem in power refusing to take OBL and cutting down the military and intelligence spending. And with Kerry's record on voting against defence spending the US people have real reason to believe that the Dems don't take the terrorism threat as seriously as the Repubs.

What is the deal with this spineless people we have become. Our new excuse to not offer help where it is needed is that Genocide is not occuring in Sudan. Sudan

Nice try but uh Kerry was on the Senate Intelligence Commitee. He never showed up but he access to the intelligence. Clinton was president, and often talked about Iraq's WMD's. Recently on Larry King he said he agreed with the war. Here are some quotes for ya: "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998 "[WE] urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." > - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001 "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002 "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 200

Economic Right/ Left: 3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.56 On the other test: Centerville I'm a moderate republican

I was honestly curious. No need to get offended. So a social democratic intellectual eh?