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would I go out for the Queens visit? No Monarchy is a throw back to the bad days.

remiel: the concept of Israel hiring people to manage opinion on line is really strange. They already have people doing that, willingly. Apparently it is not enough and they need now to hire people to do this? You raised alot of good points in why this is not in Israel's best interest. "They are being fed information by a government after all, and who the hell in their right mind trusts a government of any kind of give them 100% fact?" I like that one best of all. This will backfire on Israel. Because unabashed supporters of Israel will now be dismissed as government propagandists. As the megaphonies already are, they just do it for free. These actions make Israel look more and more like they manage their image, rather then deal legitimately with issues, regarding the occupation and the war crimes they committed.

hey it was a response to a question that wasn't asked, and I will still wait for your reply

went to read the article, oddly enough it mentions game theory. Game theory has been pitched as one way, when it really was something else, and this article does touch more on that fact. But cooperation as a means to survival and growth is nothing new. But it really doesn't serve an elite segment of population. The advantage of elite's is that the masses are divided, right vs left, welfare recepients vs working class, etc., While divided and diverted the elites be they politicians or banksters, can run amok unhindered. Rather like this latest episode the populace at large finds itself in. While you imagined you were getting wealthy, and you were thusly out shopping, you weren't paying attention to the rampant fraud being committed by the banks.

capital locks are outrage. so don't assume, and comment on the article, please. editted to add: remiel, did you realize how nicely you fullfilled the question I asked about these alleged "talkbackers" ? did you realize that? Will the people work together with the 'megaphonies'?? These backtalkers are often out in full force whenever anything controversial comes out, but apparently it is not enough and more manipulation is needed???

didn't ask why it was done,asked at who's bequest it was done.

Thought-police is here talbackers: does that mean people to talk back and pointlessly argue without any history or fact??? the writer points out an obvious FACT "The sad truth is that had Israeli citizens believed that their State is doing the right thing, they would have made sure to explain it out of their own accord. Without being paid."

these fellows says well, what it is I am trying to say.... or this fellow

and when the gov ups the reserve requirement, at whose behest is that done?

Pliny: governments don't manufacture money, the simple truth is money is manufactured by banks, conjured out of thin air. Think about how many mortgages and credit cards and lines of credit, all in dollar value, that is not made by governments, that is CREATED by banks. Private banks create the lions share of the 'money' circulating in the economy. They do this in the most simplest book-keeping you can imagine. simple example: You want a 100,000 mortgage? They create 100,000 credit and on the other side a 100,000 dollar debit. Balanced books! Then sit back and earn all the interest they can, along with service fees, late fees and of course, if you don't pay, they get your house, sweet deal. Governments have nothing to do with this RE: government debt: If governments could "borrow" money interest free, wouldn't this reduce taxes.Of course it would, it is so obvious and would make life better and easier over all for the taxpayer. And they could do this if in fact they were not using the "central bank system" But why does the government just not do that???? Cause the banks run the show, and that if not obvious to you yet, soon should be. As for regulation. It was in place for a reason, and needed to be enforced, but when the enforcers have their hands in the till, you will get no enforcement regardless of the regulations. What was going on with the banks was the wolves were guarding the hen house! Then you run off into this talk on morals?? We are talking about banking here. Morals and banking have nothing in common. If bankers were so moral and ethical they would not have done what they did with kind of loans they gave out, the kind of speculation they engaged in. But it was highly profitable! They should or could have actually followed the regulations, however flimsy that were in place! What did the banks do? Nothing that could be considered moral or ethical. Instead they engaged in rampant fraud. On top of that the banks and insurance giants lobbied to have even less regulation. The lobbied the government, who granted them their wants. Not their needs, not what was good for the economy, not what was right for average joe, but what was good for the banks. The banks had nothing to lose, because then they would just run to their lackey governments, who would force the taxpayer to bail them out "cause their just to big to fail" You seem to lay this at the governments feet, entirely, specifically Obama administration. This problem has it's roots going way back, before Obama. Black makes that clear in his interview. This ethics and morals nonsense, you have got to get it out of your head. It is a delusion. Is the 10 percent relevant to the size of the banks today (citing the figure from the S & L scandal)?? If only 10% percent of todays banks engaged in fraudulent banking schemes, along with help from ratings companies and insurance brokers, but that 10% of the banks involved included the largest players such as citi or goldman sachs, would or could that account for possibly 50 percent, 60 percent, of the mess the market is in??? Easily when you look at the size of these banks. What Black says about Geithner regarding regulation, is when he (TG) makes the claim this mess happened even though regulation was in place, he is only truthful in that geithner never met a regulation he cared to enforce. This was going on under Bush's watch, and Geithner needs to stay on to keep the lies going as long as possible, this is a clear continuation of Bush policies. To muddy the waters, to lie and hide the truth. Black makes it clear his disappointment with the Obama administration is that they are playing the same game. And are using the same people. Really they have no choice, to keep the house of cards intact for as long as they can. You are wholly naive to think of this as integrity and moral. This is business, banking and major profiteering, this is gambling. The taxpayer is left holding the bank, and the criminals are taking bonus's home. It is insanity. I don't agree with mainstream concepts, I am afraid that is far more you, then you realize.

at the behest of the banksters amongst other things he said.

btw bandelot have you seen the bill black/bill moyers interview??? seriously worth the time to watch

ethical banking and investing would be a good thing, getting rid of derivative speculation would likely be a really good thing. But coming from the Pope? And all the scandals surrounding the Vatican Bank and the bank ambrosia scandal that was connected to that?? come on! I saw a number of articles, regarding sharia banking, which is very ethical, no usuary involved and since they do not involve themselves in wild speculation the banks have weathered the economic crisis very well. Oops, no usuary involved, oh yeah, that must be but one of the reasons to attack countries that don't use the rip off central bank systems. I posted an article previously about how well these banks were faring and why, I will see if I can find it again. here it is the article is entitled Is Islamic Finance the answer I don't know if it is or it isn't but the system we use, with lots of usary, isn't working good for us, as it requires lots of help, allows for way to much manipulation, thinking of the creation of bubbles to create the illusion of wealth and leads to collapse to often leaving many people in ruins, not including the upper crust or the 1% who actually hold most of the wealth, while the rest of us clamour for crumbs. sorry for rambling bandelot

Governments can manufacture money????? They don't ya know. Cause if they did, why would they pay interest to themselves? Government has created moral hazard for financiers and the financiers follow the policies of government??? UM, nope not true either. In case you have missed the latest, it has been the financial banksters that have been running the government in the US. They asked (lobbied, greased the palms of) the government for and got all the changes they wanted. Hell the big bonuses are back that were paid for by the people You have everything ass backwards and that is exactly why things are a mess. Have you not read up on Goldman-SAchs market machinations as of late?? Tax increases are because of the banks, to pay back loans to the banks??? Because the government borrows money with interests. It would be better and cheaper for the population if the government in fact did lend itself money, interest free. You really don't know a dam thing about the banking system or how money actually comes to fruition do you????

"It seems almost an inherent aspect of the Slavic identity and culture to be fearful and hateful of Jews." Holy assumptions batman! Onward ho with massive generalizations! btw an odd post for this thread. maybe the new poster should have started a thread of his/her own.

like I say all the time, refer to reply in other thread. It still stinks!

hey dub, I use a variation of that same saying, same shit/ different toilet. but, it is still all shit! and it still stinks lol

I realize that , and I find it incredible. KK probably thinks the lady on the bus deserved her beating also, for not getting to the back of the bus. Cripes ya think Israel is the deep south in the 50's and 60's?? Rosa Parks redux???

suggestion: reread the posts

KK: so, a woman who was dressed modestly, and is doing her job, and it is her fault that she was so disgustingly attacked. This is what you are saying, it is her fault. She was mindful of the crowd she was covering, and still it is her fault that she was attacked. So several hundred Jewish fanatics get to rain spit on her. On this one lone reporter and it is her fault. KK: this is a low as it get's, blame the victim. That is how far you will take this excuse making.

Hey Dub: check this one out, shown on Israel's channel 2 news, the religious settlers attack Peace Now activists hey and this is pretty mild, compared to some footage available.

Does the US back the Honduran coup? The Obama administration's condemnation of the coup in Honduras has been lukewarm compared to the rest of the world School of the Americas-Trained Military Detains and Expels Democratically-Elected President Zelaya U.S. Condemns Honduran CoupStill, Administration Steps Lightly working with others on behalf of our objectives??? so who are the "others"??? what are the US objectives??? the US does not want Zelaya, the democratically elected leader of Honduras to return "unconditionally" to power. Who is setting the conditions??? Shouldn't it be the hondurans, who elected this man?? The coup has US fingerprints all over it. Viva democracy, especially the imaginary kind.

good question, why is it that in Israel they have segregated buses??? Oh sorry modesty buses.

Umm, hello apologist, she said she took care to dress modestly and she was still attacked, because she was a woman. That is why. God, get a grip on reality.

Yes, they are extremely fanatical. They have made the news many a time in Israel. Then their are the militant settlers, recall the link to that interview I posted, that woman a moderate, was terrified of the settlers, she said if they knew her views they would attack her. This kind of stuff has been going on in Israel for some time now, it is to bad.