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why were fawning supporters of bush more fit for democracy LOL ? Given that Obama is just carrying on the bush legacy?? The bailouts that started with Bush carried on with Obama, same for the "war on terror" bowing to wall street, even the so called health care reform is bending over to wall street, so nothing has changed... nothing ever does....

It is sad isn't it? That humanity is forgotten by some humans, or people who seem to be humans? People that seem to have forgotten that humans are actually living breathing beings, who's rights should supersede the rights of corporations and banks to extract all their wealth. I shudder.

Yup, the conservatives, small gov and accuontability, are really propping up the tyranny very well.

mdancer: I will make an exception to your general unworthiness of my time read bill c-6 here is the defintion of goods covered by the bill “consumer product” « produit de consommation » “consumer product” means a product, including its components, parts or accessories, that may reasonably be expected to be obtained by an individual to be used for non-commercial purposes, including for domestic, recreational and sports purposes, and includes its packaging. that definition includes everything and anything. In schedule 1 we get an idea of the concept of " consumer products" and here we find: 17. Seeds within the meaning of section 2 of the Seeds Act, except for Jequirity beans (abrus precatorius). Yes, individuals can obtain seeds for domestic purposes. Therefore they are covered. what you have posted??? what is the point again? oh yeah, nothing read the bill- btw, I won't waste any more of my extremely valuable time on your claptrap

Typical the conservative apologists are out in full force, but if it was the liberals, it would be the conservatives railing pathetic. Canadians have a right to know how the tax payers money is being used, it is as simple as that. This is not a national security issue. This is a government hiding the costs from the people they are getting the money from.

I just thought I would point out that this Bill c-6 covers everything, every good a consumer can dream of. It is food, it is vitamins and herbals it is seeds, it is everything. Theoretically speaking, if you save seeds from your garden, you could be breaking some aspect of Bill C-6

The arms race was what caused the USSR to go broke. Just as the arms race now is causing the USA to go broke.

thank god someone with a brain and non delusional! Endless growth is unsustainable, it is not possible, for a number of reasons. We are getting a glimpse of that now, and have several glimpses of it historically. Endless growth is limited by the means of the consumer. The ability to pay. Therfore sustainability of the sytem is ideal. Buy keeping profit angle out of the issue, it is more likely we can sustain an affordable health care system. And, there is zero indication that a for profit system is more efficient or brings down costs. I do not understand the idealogues around this issue. Particularly the so called 'conservatives' who by their very nature should support the single payer system, because it is the most cost effective, the most efficient , the most conservative. But then conservatism ain't what it used to be!

the use of the term "government' as defined by bill C -6 will apply "The Minister may disclose personal information to a person or a government that carries out functions relating to the protection of human health...." "The Minister may disclose confidential business information to a person or a government that carries out functions.... " That is sure alot of power the Health Minister has to disclose personal information to governments as defined, including corporations, foreign governments, or international organization of states. Why would this type of government definition be included in Bill C-6 if not necessary? It would seem the elected governments of Canada provinces/terrritories and aboriginals aside, is not the only governing body with power when in comes to C-6

Then you did not read the bill how is that possible? Why is that not a surprise? Let me help you. go here scroll down while reading the left margin preamble short title defintions----keep going down until you see this in the left margin: “government” « administration » to the right of that you will read “government” means any of the following or their institutions: (a) the federal government; (a corporation named in Schedule III to the Financial Administration Act; © a provincial government or a public body established under an Act of the legislature of a province; (d) an aboriginal government as defined in subsection 13(3) of the Access to Information Act; (e) a government of a foreign state or of a subdivision of a foreign state; or (f) an international organization of states. I bolded the questionable 'governments' that will now apply to Canada

I have signed the petition and written a number of senators already. why do I think this is a conservative initiatiative? The is a rehash of Tony Clement's previous bill- He is conservative. The conservative government is the gov of the day. I agree there is a global inititiative behind this, that is obvious by the definitions of government found in the bill itself, which I put word for word in my post. This isn't just a healthcare issue, it is a food issue, etc., I am not a Liberal, as in supporter of the Liberal party. It is not relevant to the issue, since they are not the government of the day, the conservatives are. But IMO, the Liberals would have done the same thing. Personally they are two peas in a pod. The conservatives campaigned on accountability and small government, they lied.

actually riverwind, it is you that doesn't know much about economics? watched the video yet? Insurance companies are not hugely profitable? nonsense. typical unsubstaniated rhetoric. If they weren't profitable, they wouldn't be in the business of insurance. watch the video oh and this no it wouldn't. unsubstantiated statement Do you just pull this nonsense out of a hat?

It is now a "state secret"? Wow! How taxpayers dollars are spent for warfare is national security? Hmm. Makes one wonder, why the secrecy? From a government that stood for accountability. Cost of Afghan war now a state secret, Tories say

here is a constitutional lawyer talking on Bill C-6 take about 20 minutes to watch the 2 parts

riverwind: you make no sense at all. there is a huge difference between an insurance company sucking exorbitant rates and people making a living wage. Clearly you are so out of touch with this most recent economic crisis... I can't even waste the time to discuss this. But here is a big clue, it was brought on NOT by people making living wages. have you watched the video? of course not. Because you already know everything there is to know, right? still the fact is the private for profit system is not more efficient, nor more cost effective. Along with the rationing of care that is included in both systems, there are also the millions and millions who have no hope of any care, which is the cause of an additional burden to society. But better to serve an elitist agenda then to even serve yourself. oh and one more thing "Insurance companies provide a necessary service. Without them illness and injury would sideline many productive workers." This is laughable. This shows a level of naievete, I can't even begin to comprehend. It is the very insurance companies themselves that drive up the costs of healthcare making the premiums so unaffordable in a private system. They are nothing but middlemen, who extract a high fee.

How many people just don't get that bandelot, how many????

this is just utter nonsense. Any clue what a doctor makes, especially a specialist US vs Canada. You see no difference between a worker making a better wage, vs and insurance company sucking money from the system. clue: who's money is more productive in the economy, the worker? or the insurance company? And if you still don't get it, look around at our economy, the most recent economic crisis, maybe you'll get it? I do not think you fully grasp the costs of the US system vs the Canadian. Watch the video I posted

I thought the Conservatives ran on small government, and all that baloney. Government that stay out of your business, no nanny state etc., etc., Ah, political propoganda, you gotta ignore it. Anyway.... remember bill c #51 and C # 52, it's back, as Bill C #6 Yup the Tories, renamed it and reintroduced it and it passed in the house of commons. I guess no one read the bill. It is in the Senate now. bill c-6 My personal favourite is this the definition of government as defined by the bill “government” means any of the following or their institutions: (a) the federal government; (a corporation named in Schedule III to the Financial Administration Act; © a provincial government or a public body established under an Act of the legislature of a province; (d) an aboriginal government as defined in subsection 13(3) of the Access to Information Act; (e) a government of a foreign state or of a subdivision of a foreign state; or (f) an international organization of states. So anywhere in that bill you read the government can arrest you, incarcerate you, fine you, search your home, think of what defines government in this bill A corporation ?- Blackwater? Dyncorp who? A foreign government?- Maybe Mexico? An International organization of States ?- That must be the UN? Why would the Tories include this in their bill? Have they taken big brother to the next level, and made all Canadians subjects of foreign governments and the UN?? And corporations? I like this part too, in the preamble "Whereas the Parliament of Canada recognizes that a lack of full scientific certainty is not to be used as a reason for postponing measures that prevent adverse effects on human health if those effects could be serious or irreversible;" So they can take 'measures' allegedly to prevent adverse effects, even when there is a LACK OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE?? So what are they going to take action on? Hunches? Lucky Guesses? The say so of big pharmaceutical corporations? Well ya know, Wyeth says the herbal remedy is bad and that is good enough under Bill C-6. NO scientific evidence necessary. get out your crystal balls. The Tories have taken tyranny to the next level. so much for all their bogus claims. I hope all my fellow Canadians enjoy the fact that all those governments have jurisdiction over your life. Especially the Conservative supporters.

um, yeah, no need for the energy, which is of course why they negotiated with the Taliban originally for the TAP pipeline to be built, which is now the TAPI pipeline. btw TAPI stands for Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India While they may not need it for domestic use??? I mean, who says they won't in the future? Once Canada is sucked dry. They could use it to 1) make money for their american oil companies 2) use it for favour or punishment against other countries. Control a countries energy supply/control the country Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline Read:Zbigniew Brzezinski The Grand Chessboard American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives You will begin to understand....

money in this post is clearly profit driven, pliny did you watch the videos? The ideology of private for profit medicine as being more efficient and cost effective, is just that an ideology, backed by no facts, and ideology = religion, fanatical belief in stories, unsubstantiated stories. There is absolutely zero proof that profit driven medicine, will be more efficient or cost effective then non-profit single payer health care. Watch the video, then read this Were number 37! The US. With the highest healthcare costs The ideology of privatization, just looking at the privatization of warfare indicates no savings, no efficiency increase, but lots of rampant corruption. Certainly not an improvement

You can watch/listen or read the transcript. Informative for the healthcare debate. Especially for those who 'believe' like a religion that private care is going to improve care.

The presence of abortion doctors indicates that the US society allows a woman the right to chose. The fact that the Israeli police arrested the woman the mother, and not the father may well be indicative of a patriarchial society, same with the segregation buses.

actually the fluidity of Israel's borders is of Israel's own making, they have internationally recognized borders, they prefer to ignore. The state of Palestine has not been able to come into it's full fruition due to Israel's occupation and usurping of the land.

Yes, I have. The age is a tough call. It really depends on the child. When my daughter was young she absolutely loved gremlins, her cousin one year older was mortally terrified. "the reviewers who said it's too creepy for kids are just overprotective worrywarts." I think some of that is likely to be overprotective worrywarting. I recall, we all went as a family to see one of the Jurassic park movies, cause of course the kiddo wanted to go. AS we sat there watching, and I thought OMG, maybe this wasn't the right decision, I can see the nightmares from this one, and you know what, she loved the darn movie! I wasn't as impressed. Sometimes kids get so caught up in the spectacle they miss the parts that may be considered disturbing.

Kimmy, I got to tell you, I loved Coraline, I thought it was just fantastic. I have seen it twice now, and rarely do I get through 1 movie, let alone watch one twice.