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kuzadd

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  1. There isn't really a need for a discussion on arab/israeli issues beyond the manual which is what this discussion is about. The manual in itself is not "evil" but it is used for indoctrination and manipulation, and to claim it is not used is foolish, it was created for useage. It was not created for the sake of writing a book. This is a book done by a PR firm on behalf of an Israeli group, to be used to 'manage' opinions and to appeal to or gain those that can be persuaded and it says that explicitly. Why would you even say because people don't follow it, when it was bought and paid for to be followed???
  2. Can you explain what you mean by that, because I am not sure I understand your perspective.
  3. KK wrt: "As a matter of principle, children should not be raised to want to kill others or themselves.... Two quotes from Silverstein: fake concern is just that, fake. there is the indoctrination of the Israeli kids via there army service, I already mentioned. Silverstein says So kk, no text books for Israelis in which Palestians exist, indoctrination runs two ways if the mossad agents schtick is true? the Palestinians need roads, so the talking heads say, in a soothing tone, as silverstien points out the facts are different then the bullshit Yeah that is right, Israel the only 'democracy' in the ME, alleged, has roads just for Israelis, like white's only roads and israel has modesty buses???? And they call it democracy?? come on now? From the report: really, except for all the children targetted in operation cast lead, right? burnt alive with white phosphorous. Targetted. or as silverstein points out: " d.I saw the painful Mark Regev interviews on a number of media outlets, no concern was expressed. From the report: oh, the symbolism of white is not lost on me, white represents goodness and purity. We want the persuadeables to feel good about cheering for Israel. I don't even know what to say about that utter nonsense. Like some kind of sporting event? Bizarre
  4. oh and KK Palestian Media watch is run by a Mossad agent, allegedly a former mossad agent, so I myself consider it to have zero credibility. did you notice Richard Silverstein said that Israeli text books contain no acknowledgement of Palestine or it's people. Why do you take no exception to that? If what the former mossad agent claims is true how is it any different then what Israel does? Are they not indoctrinating their children to warfare? Along with mandatory military service for all children which also serves as further indoctrination????? I would appreciate you addressing that, thanks? oh and without defamation
  5. How many did it last for Israel? btw, can we talk about the topic at hand. without defamation?
  6. And many Jews that immigrate there have never walked in the ME, ever. They are descended from generations of Europeans.
  7. Looking at Chapter 1 of the Global Language Dictionary note: nothing in that title about promoting peace anyway, Rules for effective communication Who is being communicated with? "Persuadables" Persuadables won't care about what you know, until they know you care. Show empathy for both sides "The goal of pro-Israel communications is not simply to make people who already love Israel feel good about that decision." clearly this has nothing to do with peace, the promotion of peace, this is about getting the "persuadables" on board with a pro-Israel ideology. Where is the peace making? Here is one that posters hear fail utterly in their manipulative skills "Use Empathy: Even the toughest questions can be turned around if you are willing to accept the notion that the other side has at least some validity. Still nothing about peace, withdrawing from occupied territories, right of return, etc. etc., OH and Bonam, PR is all around us, from commercials to war time propaganda etc., it is sinister in the fact that it attempts to manipulate people by using emotions and rhetoric and appealing to irrational fears etc., as opposed to being honest , forthright. Is Israel's attempt to use PR or propaganda unique, no. Is it sinister? It is certainly more sinister then a car commercial that uses sex appeal to sell a car. This is the language of war. The language that will result in people dying, starving, being maimed and having their human rights taken and their land and belongings taken along with that. The language that saw Japanese rounded up and placed in internment camps, this is the language that saw the Jews killed. If you are ok with the language, the global language dictionary promotes, then peace is not on your agenda.
  8. Hmm, interesting, I did read some not all of the report. What the report actually is, and the fellow who analysed it points this out also, is how to use PR public relations, by choosing manipulative words to manage a topic. KK: 'How would you begin a conversation designed to promote peace Kuzadd? This so far seems fairly logical if one wanted peace" except the dialogue is not designed to promote peace. It is designed to create the illusion of promoting peace. It is a public relations piece. It is a dictionary of language useage. How to say things, the right way, using the right words. There is zero indication that this global language dictionary is to be used for anything but managing opinion. So could you explain to me, how something called a global language dictionary, which explains how to frame discussion in manipulative manners is REALLY designed to promote peace, actual real peace. Because KK and Bonam that is an incredible leap and there is nothing to bear that conclusion out.
  9. KK they clearly have NOT abided by their agreement or they would be in their lawful border and NOT building new homes in occupied territories. That is a fact. But you beautifully demonstrated text book fanatacism. And this post is about the use of defamation when pointing out these facts, click the link watch the video. I bolded it for you so you cannot miss the clip from democracy now. You also used defamation, another beautiful example of the point of this post. The use of defamation against people pointing out facts.
  10. semetic has to do with language. the language family from the middle east. 'This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others." Therefore being anti-semetic includes being discriminatory to people who speak any of the semetic languages. Besides Hebrew we see Arabic is included in that. I don't bother much with what PR(public relations) has morphed that phrase into, just the facts for me please. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people http://mb-soft.com/believe/txo/semites.htm
  11. Dub and Drea, and I am sure others, you maybe interested in this one. It is a tactic that should be familiar to you both and anyone else who points out to the fanatics, make no mistake these people are fanatics (Fanaticism is an emotion of being filled with excessive, uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause) that Israel, does indeed committe human rights abuses. Or that Israel is an occupier Or that Israel is stealing land that is not theirs,(illegal settlements) Israel is abusing the indigenous people in deplorable ways. (War crimes, human rights abuses, torture, use of white phosphorous) Israel does not abide by it's lawful borders an agreement they signed on to. AS KK points out they signed though they have not abided by their agreements at all. Israel tortures Israel is denying basic needs to a large portion of people, engaging in punishment of an entire population There are just simple facts, obvious and true. There is an interview between Amy Goodman and a woman, an Israeli the interview is archived here http://i4.democracynow.org/2002/8/14/stream However a video was made of this exchange, to make a point. regarding the use of defamation as a tactic of silencing criticism Shulamit Aloni speaks It is sad that people engage in this , they reduce legitimate debate to name calling, and in the long run they harm a country they claim to support.
  12. wait a minute this thread is about a reporter assaulted by Jewish fanatics, back on track please.
  13. btw KK, read the newsweek article or the analysis I posted links, why don't you read it then come back and give it a discuss.
  14. lol, Actually kk it is yourself that erases the truth. The continuing occupation and land grabs by Israel make clear Israel's agenda. The fact that they don't and never have recognized the indigenous people of the land, and do not even teach their kids about those facts, make Israel expansionist agenda very clear. YOu, all you have is the big lie going for you. Repetition of the Big Lie still doesn't make it true.
  15. as opposed to banking and capitalism not conceived of by this pope ??
  16. there were a surprising number of people out there who saw the disaster coming and warned of it. I can tell you I listen to a non-mainstream person, who laid it out over two years ago. then there was roubini, and Peter Schiff?? spelling? Others whose names are escaping me at this time. I also think these economists you make mention of willingly missed the boat, better to string the populace along, and to take as much money as you can before the boat capsizes. These economists may have been linked to the big banks as an example, where the interest would lie in covering up as long as possible. "So the question is of what value is an economics degree"? economics is not a science, it is really an ideology, or worse, a religion, with faithful followers, but a science, not by a long shot.
  17. you are right on that, but, a discussion with an ideologue is a wasted discussion. and actually this thread is more then about the pope it is about banking, and capitalism.
  18. spoken like you got the info from Israeli propaganda sources. this kind of talk is widely dismissed by anyone and everyone who realized the facts. He is no more a hamas employee then all the police here are Harper employees. And are controlled tools of the Harper government. hell he could have voted for the other party in the monitored election. at least you acknowledge that fact, begrudgingly, however you acknowledge it Face it, this piece was written so dummies could take the bait. It was intended to ridicule Hamas, and yet when one really reads through the article the connection made at the beginning makes no sense to the rest of the article. But then usually people only read headlines.
  19. funny, pliny, can't see the obvious political ideology that is the font of your conversation, you couldn't even acknowledge the bush government roll in the banking disaster. though it is a fact! socialists and big government, is that what bush and harper were and are?? Look at how big government got under those two? Political idealogues are useless to talk to, they can only see things, anything, one way, with complete tunnel vision. Your ideology runs right and only right. You can't consider anything that is not in that doctrine, doctrine is indoctrination, you do realize that, right?
  20. yeah, hey how about that global language dictionary? that fellows analysis of it was interesting and I liked the reference to Mark Regev during operation cast lead, some of his comments were cringeworthy. Seriously. with reference to the opening passage: Don't know if you got to see him in action, but the lying was so obvious and so blatant. then this part: Palestine media watch run by a 'former' Mossad Officer, doubtful on the former, which means most likely Palestine Media watch is a propaganda outfit. Which wouldn't be surprising. Maybe stories such as the one posted yesterday, alleging a hamas link, insinuating what a police spokesperson says is hamas 'policy'. Taken like the bait it was , reel them in!! Once one reads the entire story it is a cop on the beat kind of job. Maybe crap like that emanates from Palestine Media Watch. as for the claims of Palestinian textbooks??? Silverstein asks for one, just one Israeli book that includes a map of Palestine "I'd like them to show me a single Israeli textbook that features a map of Palestine." He appears to know there aren't any, and that is no surprise. Why would Israel acknowledge the people or their land, when they have long been in the process of stealing the land, and erasing the people from it??? Makes me think of this recent new story, just this am I was reading this and advertisement in UK, implying the occupied territories were a part of Israel- must be that dream of stealing land for Greater Israel come to life. The advertising has to be pulled. If Israel won't acknowledge Palestine or the Palestinians in it's text books, what is a map in an advertising campaign???
  21. I wonder if it is because all the cops are 'conservatives' we have this up take in taser deaths, yes, yes it must be that. Conservative types are so big on law and order, shoot to kill and all! Dam those 'harpers' in uniforms, hardee har har think: 'Harper' (just some random one) claims US intelligence operatives transfer drugs to Quebec dealers that increases sex drive, even encourage them to distribute them free of charge in order 'to destroy' young generation. Affair exposed after young girl chews gum, complains of bizarre side effects A Harper police spokesman in Quebec, Joe Bleu claimed Monday that US intelligence operatives are attempting to "destroy" the young generation by distributing such materials in the belle province I can just imagine how many harper spokespersons are in Quebec
  22. as opposed to a private system that will never reach excellence either?
  23. god, I love picking apart news articles, just love, love love it! So let us look with a critical eye, at a nonsensical piece of "information" In the headline: "Islamist group claims" get down a little further A 'hamas' police spokesman??? how does anyone know he is 'hamas" ??? answer: it is not known Are police officers in Canada, conservative, if the government in power is??? Then if the Libs in, are all the police officers Libs? Clearly the answer is NO! then from there the police spokesperson recounts citizen complaints, and a Palestinian drug dealer acknowledging he sold drugs that reduced inhibitions Hmm, in Canada doesn't the police force look for dealers of drugs like that? Ecstasy etc??? The rest of the article goes down hill from there. lol seriously, crap. strawman 'The straw man fallacy occurs when a statement misrepresents or invents an opponent's view' making this out to be a hamas statement, lol big lie demonizing ridicule no surprise the kind of people that go for this crap!
  24. Step aside megaphone, step aside government paid mouthpieces. How to use all the right words to influence, dam the facts all to hell, just say it, in the right way. Using all the right words. Newsweek has shone a light on an interesting dictionary Israel's Global Language dictionary. The Israel Project's 2009 Global Language Dictionary someone by the name of Richard Silverstein covers this information from the newsweek article a little more indepthhere managing opinion with manipulative words
  25. not only is the internet the new frontier, it is not easy to control, like the so called wild west. While it is so easy for, as an example, AIPAC to get their point of view out via the major press through any of the politicians they have in their pocket..... Less control can be had of the millions on line discussing news articles, posting on blogs, expressing opinions freely. Hard to control that free flow of information. That democratic discussion. You can see when the megaphonies are about, pick a news site where there is a news article about Israeli war crimes as an example. They are there. Absolutely flooding the comments section. A flood of new commenters, all pro-Israel - megaphone. It has been so obvious, so blatant in one case there was a poll that had to be shut down on the BBC Israel's newest PR weapon: The Internet Megaphone balance? like stuffing ballot boxes, like flipping votes in electronic voting??? it all boils down to massive manipulation. Just more propaganda tactics, to fool the people, to mislead. except, now that people are onto this tactic, it is just dismissed. as this latest tact will be.
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