Moonlight Graham

Like Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan. Hockey sticks make great weapons.

Our own governments called these people "freedom fighters" in the 1980's during the Soviet invasion. I guess they are only "freedom fighters" when they are killing the people we want them to. If you want to kill all the Taliban, might as well put a gun to our own heads too. We've done far worse to a far greater number of innocents. But i guess the difference between us and them is "why" we've killed children and why have they? We've done it for oil and military contracts. We win! What's funny is that your article doesn't even report that any of the girls were killed, only fell sick & taken to hospital. WE WIN! WE WIN!

Canada just got lucky. Without the American Revolution, Canada wouldn't have had such a peaceful path to "independence". Britain knew Canada would want independence as America did, so Britain cut a deal before major violence occurred so they could keep some of their NA interests.

What is fascinating to me is how America and India both achieved independence from British colonial rule, but in completely opposite ways (violent revolution vs mass non-violent resistance). Gandhi's strategy was ironically the much more Christian route, but nobody can blame Americans for what was historically the status quo (violent resistance). Non-violent resistance may not have even worked in America's circumstances/era. Would be interesting though to see how American and world history would have panned out differently had they used the other method.

Well said. We should still do the same. Take all this money fighting a virtually unbeatable opponent & use it to secure our borders and improve intelligence. A bunch of Taliban are dead, but who cares? They will continue to recruit more members faster than we can train Afghan police/army. And are they even the enemy? No members of the Taliban attacked the U.S. on 9/11, none of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Afghans. Where is the real enemy? We've managed to push the Taliban and al-Qaeda from a poor, non-nuclear country and into an unstable, nuclear-armed country. Oops.

lol true.

wtf at this whole thread.

It's kind of disturbing that there are people whose #1 political concern is downloading stuff for free on the internet. Same with pro-pot parties.

No, you just took a snippet from my comments and forgot to include the comparison point i made afterward.

If waterboarding isn't horrible & make people want to talk then the CIA wouldn't do it. This debate is stupid. On a grander note, the majority of people in this world are complete idiots, guess i just have to live with that.

Don't agree with Leafless often, but he has a point here. The way we do multiculturalism in Canada isn't healthy for a country. Its gone a bit too far. Not assimilating is not healthy for anyone. The way it is now, many immigrant Canadians are more loyal to their former country than to Canada. We've seen in Canada how much a simple thing like language/culture can be such a problem for a country. Many Quebecers feel more french than Canadian. Multiply that but dozens of more sub-cultures. IMO, the U.S. does it right in this case. You can practice your own religion & be proud of your original culture, but they are Americans and proud to be American & feel a part of the country. Canada is different. We demand little loyalty, produce little Canadian culture or pride.

I think people need both. Common sense, but also high goals to shoot for. e.g: 'I Have a Dream' speech. There's nothing wrong with having goals, even if they may not be completely unattainable.

See above.

Well you are right, some portions of the constitution contradict the words of the Declaration of Independence. Yes there was slavery, but the Constitution would never have been signed by the lower states if slavery didn't remain for them. Racist, and of course sexist. Took a while to work out the major kinks, but i still believe the Declaration and Constitution were based upon the ideal of individual rights, freedom, and justice for all. How can the U.S. stand strong behind these ideals, yet not respect similar rights in the way they treat others (re: torture). Disturbs me you would place Barney records and even sleep deprivation in the same category as waterboarding. Same rights as American's? No. Basic human rights? Yes, i would hope. A nation based on Christian values...what would Jesus do? Waterboard 'em!!!

Interesting. The U.S. either has something more on him, or they just don't trust him. But i suppose it's the right of the U.S. to let in or keep out whomever they wish. I have no objection to this.

I don't like it either my friend.

You're right. I don't condone his actions, but he should be brought home and face trial, not be left without trial in a foreign torture camp.

I'm not apologizing for anyone. What the terrorists did on 9/11 was disgusting and wrong. But so has many things the U.S. gov't (among other Western gov'ts, including Canada) have done. If you think radical Islams started all this on Sept. 11, 2001, you would be incorrect. The U.S. and the West has been mucking around in the middle-east for centuries. British colonialism, the U.S.-backed coup of a democratically-elected leader in Iran in 1953, Iraq vs Iran vs Iraq war in the 80's. I could go on. We've been killing Muslims both covertly and overtly for quite some time, many thousands of them innocent civilians. Funny how we only wake-up only when the violence hits our own borders. The actions of both the Muslim extremists and our own gov't's have been shameful, and look at what it has got us? Mostly just whole lot of dead people.

The U.S. was foremost founded on the rights and freedoms of human individuals, in direct response to the rights they were being deprived of by Britian, you should know that. Maybe you should go read the Declaration of Independence. Founded on the ideas of natural law. It states this clearly in the Declaration: Also, read the Bill of Rights, especially Amendment VII dealing with "cruel and unusual punishments".

I agree. He's a Canadian. He's not even a former immigrant. He was a freaking kid when recruited and a kid when he did the supposed crimes (that he hasn't face trail on). Our gov't can't pick and choose whose rights we should uphold and whose we should ignore. In my opinion he has not been brought home by the Con gov't due to simple bigotry & racism. If this was a white boy and his last name was "Johnson" he'd be well home by now.

Canadian immigration definately needs reform and needs to be tougher. We shouldn't let the kind of scum that sometimes come in here. But Khadr is a Canadian, and yes he should make us ashamed to be Canadian because our gov't has turned their back on him. He should come home and face justice here, not in a foreign torture camp.

The people responsible for making the decisions regarding the torture of U.S. "enemy combatants" should be charged and put in jail. Whether its members of the CIA, or in the White House Office. What they did was illegal according to U.N. law and the Geneva Conventions. More than that, it is a spit in the face to the freedom & human rights ideals that the U.S. was founded on. Men like Lincoln & Jefferson should be rolling in their graves.

What he may lack in toughness, he makes up for intelligence. I'd rather have a smart President than a tough one. see: Bush and LBJ. "Tough" would have got us all killed during the Cuban Missle Crisis. Obama does pander a lot, tries to make everyone happy. That can be a strength and also a weakness. He is a statesman-like president, a diplomat like Bill Clinton. But Clinton had balls too. The pirate crisis showed Obama could make a tough decision, but we'll have to see how he does on a grander test.

Perhaps if we didn't occupy their countries, blow up their families, stage coups for their oil, and otherwise covertly screw with their gov'ts there would be less terrorism also. Waterboarding being used 266 times on 2 people is disgusting. And Obama is turning a blind eye to all this garbage that's being uncovered.

I did say wages & benefits. I include pensions in the "benefits" category. Either way, you still have to blame some of this on the unions and autoworkers, coupled with the shoddy cars the companies churn out.