Moonlight Graham

Recommend reading the wikipedia entry on Camp David, 2nd intifada, and Gaza de-occupation.

I've never said that some of their complaints aren't legitimate, that's a strawman. We're here today because most Palestinians, especially their leaders, do not recognize Israel's right to exist. There will be permanent warfare as long as Israel exists. Do you deny this? They had negotiations for the UN Partition Plan, they failed. Camp David failed. Do research about why. The Palestinian governments have never wanted any final 2-state solution, except as a bad faith attempt to gain concessions to get closer to a 1-state solution of Arab control, which is what they really want. Maybe Abbas is different, I don't know. He's also a holocaust denier so who knows. My preference is a 2-state solution. That is not the Arab preference, and at times not the Israel preference but at times Israel have also been ready to make a 2-state solution and make concessions. They conceded Gaza while asking nothing in return, and it's been nothing but a disaster, and driven the Israeli government harder to the right. You give them back all of the West Bank (which Israel should probably do) and we're back to pre-1967 borders, and pre-1967 they were also not satisfied and attacked Israel. The UN Partition Plan gave much more land than the pre-1967 borders, and the Arab leaders rejected it and immediately launched an attack on Israel. What has changed? Every time Arabs launch a major attack on Israel, they end up losing, either many innocent lives or more land. Every single time. We will have peace when Palestinian/Arab leadership stops looking for a military solution, stops attacking Israel and is finally ready for good faith negotiations towards 2 states. And it would take a lot of faith for Israel to trust them on that and make more concessions at this point.

Ask Arafat why it ended at Camp David. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#Responsibility_for_failure

Do you think the vast majority of Gazans and Palestinians believe in "From the river to the sea..."? This has been their belief since the day Israel was created and they won't stop killing Jews until all of Israel is conquered by Islam again like it was when the successors of Mohamed's caliphate empire conquered Israel shortly after his death and later renamed it "Palestine" and build mosques on top of the rubble of Jewish synagogues.

You're seriously blaming Canada for the situation and giving Palestinians a free pass? Zionism goes back a lot longer than WWII. Read your history and do your homework. Every 2-state negotiation has failed since 1947 because Palestinian leaders will not accept final borders with Israel because they do not want Israel to exist in any form whatsoever. Their goal is the complete elimination of Israel and they won't EVER stop attacking Israel until this happens. Not in a thousand years.

Huh? Hamas is the democratically elected government in Gaza. They voted for a terrorist group whose raison d'etre is the destruction of Israel through terrorism via violent jihad. They specifically condemn any peace negotiations or diplomacy, only jihad. It's in their charter.

I obviously wouldn't let them die. But there's a difference in helping people and permanently welcoming them into your society.

We turned away Jews in WWII because our government was filled with racist antisemites If we turn away Gazans now it's because the large majority of THEM are racist antisemites.

Are you comfortable and prepared to import hatred and antisemitism? Bringing in 5000 Gazans will guarantee that 100%. Are you willing to accept the responsibility for supporting that decision? The dancing in the streets of Toronto on Oct 7 and shooting at Israeli schools and firebombing synogogues etc? You can explain why these Jewish families have to live with more of that. All for what? Why can't Arab countries take in 5000? They sure as heck would never take in any Jews.

Canada screens people for health/disease and past criminal record (according to the government records of their country of origin). For refugees, nothing else than that. Most Gazans are taught in school and from their parents from a young age to hate Jews and Israel, to cheer their deaths and Hamas. There are many Arab neighbours perfectly capable of taking in Gaza refugees. Canada could help refugees escape, provide humanitarian aid, transportation, possibly provide temporary refuge. The number of permanent residents from Gaza that Canada should accept is probably zero, unless there's some method of weeding the good from the bad, which there isn't. Canada should be in the business of eliminating racial and religious hatred from its society, not importing it. If Arab countries couldn't take them in it would be a different situation.

Ok then it's just you wanting to destroy this country.

A fifth column can only act on behalf of a foreign country. Republicans wouldn't qualify. You swore an oath to the Queen and her heirs and successors. You didn't swear an oath to a person per say, you're swearing an oath to a title, the monarch, the bearer of the Crown. The person, Charles or Elizabeth, have no lawmaking power, and they're supposed to remain apolitical. They're the head of state, it is for ceremony and tradition now. The Brits took the rest of the power away from the monarch centuries ago before Canada was even a country. But all power of the state vests in the Crown, for tradition and symbolism's sake. All laws are the King's laws, but none of them are decided by them. The monarch is the personification of the state itself, as a symbol. King Charles represents Canada in flesh and blood.

Not any more, unfortunately.

There's no "Canadian oath of allegiance to the British Crown". It literally doesn't exist except in your imagination. The Canadian Crown reigns in our constitution. Long live the King! But start a new religion and believe whatever fables you wish you convince yourself of.

The only thing I said it was is that it's not called "the British Commonwealth". They share or shared the same monarch, that is all. There is no British monarch in Canada. British citizenship has no title here. They can't vote in federal elections here. Only Canadians. If you don't want to be a Canadian anymore then do the honorable thing and give up your citizenship and leave, instead of trying to break up the country on behalf of a foreign nation. You're a fifth column.

There is no "British Crown" in North American. It died in America in 1776, and Canada in 1953. https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/crown-canada/monarch.html You don't even seem to know what the commonwealth is. I can assure you it's not called "The British Commonwealth", as no such entity exists. I laugh at all the Brits I talk to who think we're still a British colony. The Brit imperialists are so smug and class-based, "Canadians" being of a lower class to them of course.

So you're a republican and a monarchist? 😂 You have no loyalty to the monarch of Canada if you seek to break up their country. A Canadian by convenience it sounds like.

I think it's increasingly clear that any UN body controlled by the General Assembly is apt to be corrupt due to the GA being made up of mostly dictatorship countries. Harper was criticized for wanting to defund and leave parts of the UN. Looks like he was right. We owe him an apology on that. John McCain wanted to create a League of Democracies. I still agree with this.

Harper had some scandals, like proroguing Parliament to silence debate and accountability. He had increasing issues with heavy handed control on his party. A reason he had to go. Martin inherited Chretiens scandals, those Liberals had to go. Trudeau had to go a couple of elections ago. With 24/7 news and social media it usually seems to take a true narcissist to want to be leader now. Who else would want all that attention? Some people want to be rock stars.

You don't reward a terrorist massacre and ongoing hostage crisis with calls for statehood. This only incentivizes that activity. Nor do you ever give statehood to a government bent on Israel's destruction. Has nothing been learned from Israel's deoccupation and elections in Gaza in 2005? Calls for restraint in Rafah are fine.

People who switch from Liberals to CPC, especially these days, I see as questionable, since they are so opposite ideologically and policy-wise. What could have changed within his mind since 2021 to want to be a CPC member instead of wanting to join the NDP? The guy is probably just looking for power and wants to sit with a winner, no different than in 2021. Given the sexual assault thing also AND failing to report it, the guy sounds like a POS. In conclusion, he would make a fine Member of Parliament.

Oh lookie-loo! While way down in the polls, a Liberal-appointed Ontario judge has suddenly found a whole bunch more votes for the Liberals ahead of next year's election. Astonished! But i'm kidding, the Liberals would never do something so...cynical and self-serving.

He has the vibe of a guy who is dejected and checked out. Pretty clear they won't run him in the election next year, they may be timing his resignation closer to the election so the new leader doesn't get blamed for any of the mess in his wake. Maybe a Fall or even Spring 2025 Liberal leadership race. If I were a Liberal I definitely wouldn't put my hat in if I had any serious ambitions.

What do you mean?

This assumes the Palestinians and their leadership want peace. History just doesn;t back this up, going back a century. Peace for most of the them means Zionism and the Israeli state is eradicated from the reigion and 100% of the land is back in control of Muslims. They will never, ever accept a 2-state solution longterm. These are children playing in the sandbox and unable to share.