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The CPC did not win their minority government status because of campaign promises, they won because of people's anger with the Liberals. But they will lose their minority government because of their actions, such as this and by their NOT creating the National Child Care program. They have a minority government which means they have NO mandate to do the things they are doing. The Liberals let a lot slip through because of their leaderless state and not wanting an election. Those days are over. Harpoer even knows, it, the NDP have quietly put through a private members bill for the National Childcare program, and it is going into it's 3rd reading. Supported by the CPC even. It would seem, Harper having to play to his base that elected him, on some things is going around the end on them with others. Wonder how long it will be before he backtracks on his gutting of women and childrens programs as this move by the provinces put hims to great disadvantage, and renders the Feds irrelevant.

Yes, norman and even the provinces realize the need, Thank God.

You must have some very powerful evidence to prove unequivocally that religion is in fourth place in importance in loyalties in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. Last year when Abdul Rahman was sentenced to death by the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan for converting to Christianity, it was his family that denounced him and first brought his conversion to the attention of the government. Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2095263,00.html Although an international outcry to the Karzai government resulted in Rahman being exiled from Afghanistan, it remains a shameful tragedy, in my opinion, that Canadians are dying to prop up a country with an Islamic constitution and a corrupt government. Of course there is no powerful evidence they have not provided ANY at any time, but yet say they have over and over, one needs only go back through all the pages to see they provided NOT 1 shread of any type of evidence. They even tried say, ad naseum, it was Harper who bought the new equipment they use when indeed it was Martin. To deny Canada's last 50 years as being primarily peacekeeping, boogles the mind, they do so even after government links were provided that noted otherwise. Here is another government link that says otherwise, it seems they never read a link because it would prove their current belief structure was wrong. http://www.collectionscanada.ca/military/025002-1011-e.html Not only are we propping up a corrupt government we are propping up a government that has allowed the fundamentalist religious people to control society yet again which is contrary to what they say they are there doing. It is shameful that our military is doing such things a propping up a corrupt government and enforcing its ideals upon the people in Afghanistan. But I am reminded of a few words that a Marine Vet said to us, when we were upset about the extremely high rates of horrendous injuries impacting the front line soldiers. -legless marine-

Equal wages for same job perfomed as their male counter parts, equal representation in parliament. The eradication of the patriarchial system. However, at this point, what the ministers from the provinces are meeting for is funding losses to much needed shelters and women's work force re-entry programs

Mien Kampf, not Kumf. Nice being apologists for Hitler's military now eh?! As for saying I am putting them all into 1 basket, most certainly. That you excuse them blows my mind. And NONE of my proof has been discounted unlike yours. So please put an an example up of what contention of mine has been discounted? And no not many have or will agree, the Canadian military focus has not been of peacekeeping, that you have so deluded yourself says much. As I said to Canadian blue, I will waste NO more time on those who are so under thrall of the US military, and so full of erroneous propaganada and thinking that I am not even sure you are Canadian military.

LOL, Uh, no not I that has been beaten, I have not provided any false info, such as you people did about who funded the new equipment, the fact the Hitler quote was there, plus numerous things, I do not believe it is my integrity which is at question here, though you are trying to make it seem so. Calling me names and labels is further proof that you have to resort to negative actions as opposed to supplying truth, which apparently you cannot do. Then you would again be wrong that a former member would be careful, this one isn't, and will never be blindly supportive where there is wrong doing, behaviour like that in part allow tragedies and abuses to occur. Such is the case with what the US troops were/are doing Iraq. And talk of insults, as a former service member I am deeply insulted that today's military would be using Hitler quotes, for any reason, hence my chagrin. Nor do I care whether or not you believe me, regarding my grandfather, neither I, nor him need validation such as yours. Perhaps if you had lived through what he did in WWI, you would have more integrity, and less, mind numbingly false rhetoric propaganda exhibited through your words. If the services members were so concerned about not being perceived as being motivated by Hitler, they would have insisted the quote not be put there, one would think. Moreover, army guy's words below yours show that he is being an apologist for German troops under Hitler, which is even more alarming and suggestive, when considered with the quote. Anyway, I waste no more time upon those who patently are under full thrall of the US war machine and whose behaviour is so depleted they even stoop to quoting Hitler and being apologists for Hitler’s soldiers.

BTW Canadian Blue, nice quote about WWI, however WWI personal have NO bearing on today's military people in Canada. My Grandfather was one of the 1st 500, actually he was one of the 1st 15 or so out of the 500, to enlist in WWI. The others were his brothers and cousins. In fact, he was 1 of few who survived the massacre at Beaumont Hammell, and many in our family didn't. Moreover, I am not going to be all sentimental about the professed honourableness of the Canadian military, I have been there and know differently. Nor am I going to be blindly patriotic towards them. This does not mean I am not supportive of them it means, that blind patriotism IS WRONG under any circumstance. ***Also, I see you edited your last post to me, good thing I got all the nasties you said before you did.

Calling names is against the rules, debate the topic. Never said a word about rewriting history, just where do you get this stuff from? Not necessarily out of support, and just how would those word's of Hitler's be used for ironic purposes and and hypocrisy? Your stretching too far. Thanks to me? I never put the Hitler quote up there at army.ca, try placing the blame on the right people for their error in judgement at the very least. I am just asking the public at large what they think about it. Perhaps they will think nothing and perhaps they will think something. No problem! No, I would never trust someone with my IP that puts Hitler quotes up thanks anyway. How do you say it isn't? And why/how do you not understand using Hitler's words at a Canadian military site is wrong headed? Are you worried that we will find out something in the ensuing investigation? Please you need to get a grip on the offensive posts. No, you do not understand how offensive it is using Hitlers words at a Canadian military site. And I really have to question the thinking of those who do not see how wrong it is. Are you white doors too? I was speaking about them crying out about the Hitler quote, please respond to what the comments were about as opposed to going off on a tangent about something other. having said that, not too many I know are happy about Afghanistan either though. Defend Canada from what we were NOT attacked. I am twisting nothing, nor am I hurting anyone's image, if army.ca is doing that by quoting Hitler, that is their problem, if the Canadian military personal are not conducting themselves accordingly, and that is found out, then that is their problem, not mine. I have every right to question the actions of the Canadian militray, and those that try to say not and attempt to intimidate people from having their say, perhaps need to look at their own actions. Again I never said a word about inspirational why do you keep using that term? Nor do I see people using Hitler quotes all the time. Unless it is in a historical documentary or regarding the travesty of the Holocaust, I in fact never see it. And frankly, that you say people quote Hitler all the time scares me even more. As that means you hear his words on a regular basis. Really? When I see a quote such as that at a miltary site, I would never think: "gee, how nice of them to put up peoples in history quotes to be used in everyday life". Especially not one with a message such as that! Maybe Hitlers' quote was innocent and means nothing, but it still lacks mature thought and appropriateness. I can say my opinions about army.ca quoting Hitler, and about Afghanistan, all I want thank you very much, last time I looked we were not yet in a Fascist state, and again just how am I trying to re-write history?

It's been debunked already, as someone being overly paranoid. Spy coin report overblown, U.S. official says COLIN FREEZE Globe and Mail Update “There is no story there,” the official, who asked not to be named, told The Globe and Mail. He said that while some odd-looking Canadian coins briefly triggered suspicions in the United States, he said that the fears proved groundless: “We have no evidence to indicate anything connected with these coins poses a risk or danger.” ...a U.S. agency that investigated the complaint found no evidence of any secret transmitters, or of any other tampering. It's not clear why this information failed to find its way into the released U.S. Defence Security Service report. G&M

Spare me your rhetoric white doors, your nasty pm's and your attempts to deflect away from the serious nature of army.ca using Hitler's quotes. BTW, did you show your Veterans that, I think not. Or you would not be thinking it was me vandalizing anything, but it would be those who use a quote of Hitler's. As I showed and read it to the ones I know, and they "cry" for the young ones in today's Canadian military that know no better and that are being sucked into the USA's lying quagmires and losing their lives over it. And they are more than taken aback by the use of Hitler's quote, in fact, perhaps you all should watch for a comment from the WWII Veterans on it. And just what insulting world view do I have white doors, as I do not recall making a opinion on the world?

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They have quotes from right across the spectrum. First thing numpty, the quote is not meant to be "motivational", secondly, why don't you address it with the site admin to hear from their side first before "making call's" which I seriously doubt since you have lied about military service. No, your simply saying that our troop's are getting motivation from Adolf Hitler, even though their are anti-war quotes on the same site. So maybe the quote section isn't about "motivation", imagine that... Well no doubt numpty, look through the entire quote section. Go to the site, get an account, and ask about the quote before you start making wild accusation's which are probably not accurate. I once again highly doubt that, and you still refuse to say what bases you were posted to, as well as what trade you were. And here you are calling names, when in your last post you're trying to tell me the Canadian military is so PC and upstanding, and all that! Never would I get an account there, and there can be NO jsutification for using a Hitler quote at a military support site. Private or not! As I said the Gandhi quote minimalizes the nature of Hitler's quote and nothing more IMV. And how about we let the general public decide what they think and the peoples who were and maybe impacted by those words of Hitler's being in a Canadian Army support site, eh? And I am making NO accusations, nor have I made any, again I will say: I want to know the justification for the use of such a thing, and if this type of promotion of Hitler's word is common in the Canadian military? Because to me, using Hitler's words, at the very least, make a mockery of those Canadians who died and fought in WWII. How you can fail to see that I do not understand?!

Hand together for the provinces for picking up Federal slack! Provinces to Take lead While Harper's Government Fails to Properly Govern!

Never said that stop putitng words in my mouth yet again. You are red herring with Gandhi's quote, why do not address what good reason army.ca would have Hitler's quote up as a motivational quote? Gandhi's quote has nothing to do with Hitler's quote others than it resides at the same site and perhaps is being used to make Hitler's appear innoctuous? Hitler's ideology is not compatible with Gandhi's. I am not doing either of those things of which you are accusing me, and I said nothing about inspired. Also, for future reference I do not bend under emotional ploys and false accusations, I have had training that exempts me from that type of thing. The fact remains that IMV army.ca has NO business promoting Hitler's "duty" philosophy that reside within his quote. In fact, I have made some calls and it seems that others are as concerned as I about this. Again, it is not my problem that army.ca unwisely put an Adolph Hitler quote up for motivation. They should have been the ones thinking about responsible actions and what implications their actions would have upon others in the military and in turn their families. I would not go back to that site for anything, and again you are putting words in my mouth I have never used the word inspired.n Again why would army.ca put a quote of Hitler's up? Oh yes, Yugoslavia, almost every overseas deployment for the last 30 years or more was observing or peacekeeping you know it, I know it, and so do Canadians. Never said a word about inspired, I am speaking of using a Hitler quote for motivation at the army.ca site, again you're red herring. Nor did I say anything about you as an individual, unlike you of me. I honestly want to know why army.ca would have a Hitler quote as part of their motivational quote scroll? That you all have denied, bullied, and called names without answering says much. If you think that there is nothing wrong with the Hitler quote being at army.ca, then I wonder about a lot things. Back to that cannard again heh, as I said I care not what you believe, I know I was, the Canadian Government knows I was, and the Royal Canadian Legion knows I was, and I have my lovely cap badges in with my jewellery box to this day still. BTW, I was taking about personal errors here on this thread that some have made in their accusations against me, for which they were proven wrong and had to come back and admit they were wrong and was not talking politcally correctness. As for PCness, its gotten better, but has a long way to go, as does society. This does not belong in this thread. It is off topic and non-pertinent waste of space and time.

No, I am most cetainly thinking my responses through, I am not the one who has had to back track because of being hasty and incorrect. But thanks for your ill founded concern. Being made by Hitler says a great deal, especially when one thinks about the duty to which Hitler is speaking of when he said: "Let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us". His/their duty was to exterminate the Jews and others less worthy people. In fact, I wonder what the Canadian Jewish Council would have to say about this quote being up at a Canadian Military site? Say nothing of what it implies regarding Afghanistan and Canada's mission there. So, yes, I will be forwarding it to both the Jewish and Muslim councils in Canada, as well as the Canadian government and media. The same ilk eh? What type of ilk is that? This Canadian has no patience for exterminationist thinking and promotion of that ideology within our military ranks! Nor do I think most Canadians would feel any different than I if they knew. And know they will soon enough. The norm for whom? And just what norm is that? I went there with the honest intent of gaining insight, I was just shocked at the insight I got right off the bat. And if you agree with Hitler's quote you are way off base. Nnever said they were and embarrassment, somehow you people have tried to give that impression and yes, until Afghanistan, it was the Canadian militaries primary focus, again do I have republish all the proof? I have watched closely for the last 4 years and I do watch/read media from around the world as well as Canada, and do read between the lines. I think perhaps you need to get a bit of Canadian history under your belt. Also, I am fully aware that the Canadian military, or at least some in it, would like to be the US military or rather be exactly like the US military. I am furious about what the use of the Hitler quote implies, and how it's ideology and others like it could be impacting upon our military personal.

More info out about this action: http://www.acp-cpa.ca/en/SomaliaStatement.htm

Yes, you referred to the quote as 183, when it was infact 182. It's not denying anything, simply pointing out some falsehoods. Not a falsehood, and I am looking at the screen shot right now and it says 183, if they took one out since, not my problem, perhaps there was one there worse than Hitler's quote maybe I should've looked through them all. If you did not deny it you purposefully mislead people to think I was lying. Again, putting words in mouth, I did not say erase Hitlers words from history, I said having Hitler's words posted at a Canadian Military chat forum to be used as motivation quotes is NOT appropriate. And yes, I believe that ALL Canadians should be made aware that the current climate in the Canadian military supports the use of Hitler's words as motivational quotes. The quotes are not used to show hypocrisy and/or irony. Try again to be an apologists for the improper use. Also, I will ignore the fascist comment being directed towards me this once. Not pertinent to discussion. Not pertinent, and it is not me who apparently is easily offended. We are not discussing, nor did we discuss, combat we are discussing Afghanistan and how our military needs to get out. Think away, you again would be wrong and I could say the same for you not realizing the historical actions of our military. Plus, I do not need to prove anything nor receive your validation. Strangley enough I have "often" heard them say otherwise. No, WE were not attacked on 911 that Canadians were there and died is incidental casualities, just the same as you brush off war casualities. However, I concur we are part of NATO, and I would rather we have gone to Afghanistan rather than Iraq. Having said that does not mean we should not be leaving Afghanistan either.

I never denied that it was there, I said you were spreading misinformation about military member's by using one quote of over a 1000. Yes you did, you said: "As well that is not quote 183, quote 183 is this" plus numerous other deflection comments. Plus, you made an another interesting point as you said the site also quoted Gandhi, IMV that makes the quoting of Hitler even worse, as it likens Hitlers words to that of Gandhi's. I see no reson for anyone in the Canadian military, or even in the public domain to use Hitler's words for motivation. Ok, I think that in some ways, over some things we are disagreeing because we are coming at this from semantical differnces. Yes, I was trained fully in armoured combat. No doubt about it, it was combat training! Milcons and Waincons, that I participated in were/are combat training, as were all the other military exercises. What I am saying is our military focus, world wide in what we participated in, since the Korean Conflict was on observation and peace keeping, not on offensive campaigns. And again that is what I have been saying and proving. I never said a word about inflating the Taliban death count, again you are putting words in my mouth, the fact that you people are in today's Canadian military is starting to scare me half to death actually. Oh, you could do a lot with any information I gave and I have probably given too much. I am not naive, nor am I lying. I stand as saying: The only way we can truly support our Canadian Forces in Afghanistan is to bring them home! This is not our fight!

Can Blue, would link if I knew how to upload it to a site to link to, know it can be done just have never done it. Again having a Hitler quote put up on a site that is affliated with our Canadian Military is nasty! Those quotes appear to be up lifting and moralizing quotes, trying to suggest they are not is well... BTW, they did blow up the grape drying hut on purpose because they could, the article I provided was quite clear on that. You said your self earlier that the Military had advised Chretien against Afghanistan, you mean they changed their mind? So what if it is a think tank advising harper against following uS military tactics, they were right. Too bad Harper didn't listen. This is starting to remind me of the denials of the US military surrounding their actions in Iraq. Why do you find it so hard to believe that former Candian military personal are against the way Harper is conducting actions in Afghanistan? Or that we would be against the illegal Iraq War either? Why we should be out of afghanistan

I'm not covering up the Hitler quote on army.ca, it can be seen by everyone. Oh so now you're saying it can be seen by everyone after denying it was there? Oh so now you are ignoring all the historical data I put up? Including the veteran's comments at peacekeeping.ca? No, I think army guy and others like yourself, have been using disinformation here along the lines of the Iraq Information Minister and the US Military. And so what if I am a civilian now, or if I am any other Canadian civilian saying anything, we have a right to do so you know, and it is NOT lies, and stop ignoring the tons of evidence I have put forth. Telling us which posting's and what your trade is, is not a breach of privacy. Especially since your the one who said that you were a member of the military, and now your making these claim's. So we should be able to question your military experience, if you do have military experience. My personal life is not up for investigation thanks, I know full well how small the military is, and my saying anything would surely point those interested to me, so how about if you stay on topic, and stop calling me a liar. You all have had to retract your calling me a liar so many times, one would think you would finally stop.

So what if it is a private site, not a government site? Military personal are government employees and let me tell you if I saw a Hitler quote used a motival factor on a government employees web site I would be just a furious. Obviously, they have a lot of quote up 1400 odd quotes, but I question having one of Hitler's up as a moralizing factor. And I am NOT spreading misinformation, as I said as soon as someone can tell me how to up load the screen shot to the net so I can link to it here, I will. As I said prior, I think you are trying to deflect the topic away from what our troops are doing in Afghanistan and nothing more. So, why do you not make some comments on the topic and on: how Harper was warned back in June NOT to use US tactics in Afghanistan, or there would be blow back, he did and there was. And now the Harper government are trying to scurry back to "reconstruction" because they know they messed up big time.

Why would member's of the Canadian military want rewrite Canadian history. We have been engaged in peacekeeping, as have many police agencies in Canada, however it's not the militaries primary role. It's not a breach of privacy, I'll give you the bases I've been posted to, as well as what I do in the CF. CFLRS St Jean CFB Gagetown CFB Borden CFSCE Kingston CFB Winnipeg Signal Operator 215 After all the proof I provide to you regarding peace keeping being Canada's military primary role you have the nerve to say otherwise? It is a breach of privacy, especially in today's apparently world. And why you are trying to cover up the Hitler quote on army.ca, and saying that Canada's military has not been primarily peace keeping I have no idea! Other than to perhaps take the conversation further off topic regarding what our miltary is doing in Afghanistan.

Well, I guess they must have changed it after it was taken exception to, Can Blue. And it is even more frightening to me that they would change it. I may have to take this further and write complaints to the Canadian Military and the media now. As I have the screen shot, I can readily prove it, and I printed the page off also, and if I knew how to up load to the net and link it here I would! So if someone can tell me how to do that I will.

This link is all you need to prove yourself wrong white doors. http://www.peacekeeper.ca/pk1a.html If that is not enough try: More on peace keeping focus or: http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/en/page_717.asp?flash=1 and then there is this: http://www.orghistcanada.ca/main.php?l=en&c=e So, please try to stop rewriting Canadian history! ------------------------------------------------------------------ And absolutely NOT, why would I afford someone the ability to breach my privacy, answer I would not!

Please provide proof of party members screaming to stop propping up Harper, as I think not! http://www.ndp.ca/page/4758