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I don't buy that PTSD made me do it either, there is not a soldier over here that has not seen first hand the effects of war and have to live with that the rest of thier lives. Can't deal with the stresses of combat then say so you'll be removed and flown home for treatment. were as turning to vices is the cowards way out, as it puts those close to you in more danger... Oh, you are protesting the anti-drug stuff in the military way too much. I would rather have a person beside me who smoked a joint last night than someone who got right whacked out of it on alcohol and has 1 messy hangover. Nor was I referring to pot smoking in fact, I was speaking of hard drug use for self medicating. And it is attitudes like yours, which prompts military personal NOT to speak of their PTSD and get help while in the military. And oh ya, before I forget again, nice try inflating your Canadian military activity numbers as opposed to Observing/Peacekeeping by using Germany. When the wall was up, it was not a military offensive. It was a 8 month rotation in and out with mainly observation/monitoring duties and some manovers there were NO offensives. It was considered to be prime time to get to go Germany during the Cold War, you got to see all of Europe. Better than Cyprus or Egypt even. Of course, there were longer deployments in Germany, but I remember them being more Air Force than Armoured or Infantry. Though a friend was with PPCLI out of Victoria and was there for a few years. Either 3 or 5 comes to mind. Morever, the Canadian military their still considered ourselves peacekeepers/observers, not NATO fighters.

How were the September 11th attack's a false premise??? And what pray tell does Afghanistan have to do with Sept 11? The attackers, were NOT Afghanistan, they did not originate from Afghanistan, and they, Osama Bin and close compatriots may have been sporadically in Afghanistan is all. Why not attack Pakistan? Or the Sauds? There are numerous threads here that give full accounting, of why not Afghanistan, I am sure you have read them. So, there is no need to rehash territory already covered here.

I want proof of this 750k statement too, which is what my comment was referring to, I was talking tongue in cheek about the oil companies footing the bill. Why do you think we are there then? I say we are in Afghanistan for oil and opium, why else would we be there? As we are not there for human rights issues, and I also agree the reason why the USA is not there in a larger force, is because it is smaller peanuts left up to the NATO coalition and the *Dutch to look after. And I give not 1 fig about people who start spewing conspiracy theory rhetoric. However, I will read Ahmed Rashid's "Taliban" when I get a chance but your description seems to fit what I am saying about Taliban = oil = USA. But I must read The New Authortarianism by Henry Giroux first.

Oh please, spare me the poor me trip that the Canadian military does not get any gratitude for serving their country, it was your choice, as it was mine. Many people serve Canada on many different, and more important levels than our military being in Afghanistan under false premise, and don't get any gratitude either. the military is not an "must applaud" no matter what entity. This does not mean I want their/your lives lost, I don't, I want them/you home. The 750 k that widows supposedly get, was not my posting, and why you would skew it to try to slam me is unknown. I simply wanted to know where this came from, from the originator of the post containing that info. As there sure as hell was not that kind of loss of life insurance when I was around, nor can I see our government or indeed any government dolling that kinda cash out, plus pensions.

Depends on who is making the levels I suppose, historically wise, yes. It does not go into health, literature, arts and science, except who was involved in those things from the masonic spheres. And in fact most historically were on assorted levels. It is a fascinating book, but then most are.

Take it however you will, it is a reality that the pap most read that is "token" history in our educational systems and in encyclopedias is pretty much full of half truths and no truths. Which actually, I used to have a problem with, and argued with Freemasons most strongly about, I could not understand why full, or even truthful, accounting was/is never given. Then of course estoteric truths as opposed to exoteric beliefs, became part of my knowledge base, and I care no longer.

na, the tomdispatch link of course works, perhaps you are experiencing browser problems or would like to deflect people away from reading this insightful information? So here is is again plus some more. Energy protection racket So, just where are Canadian military personal grouped again in Afghanistan? Oh, thats right in the neighbourhood of oil pipelines and pumping stations. I am sure that is just coincidence though! And ya, where does this 750K come from, hopefully not from our tax dollars, it had better be oil cartels paying it off?

Interesting, there was an incident at a Muslim school with FirebombingThis type of racist inspired thread do not help to do other than incite racial intolerance.

All the links work! Good try! Well, how about you just think about the partnership between oil and drug cartels, in fact research it. I find that people who never research what they discuss are afraid to find out they are wrong. Here is an excellent link on the history and progression of wars, and from looking it over I agree it would be a very good educational tool! http://mapsofwar.com/maps.html I found it here

That's funny, when 1 woman probably makes up 2/3rds of the stat that says 50% of woman are holding American wealth, with other celebrities holding the other 1/3. Do you think they are representative of "average women"? Nobody would take those stats in any serious manner as being representative of anything. _______________________________________________ Here is a link to a forum that is discussing women disagreeing with women in the feminist spheres, and low and behold they are disagreeing with each other! http://www.breadnroses.ca/forums/viewtopic...t=19479&start=0

Quite frankly, I can't think of any promises he has kept yet!

Not it cannot be argued that abortion is there to terminate life, nor can it be argued that having an abortion does not improve life for some. Why? Because it simply isn't true. Having been a woman in the Canadian military, I do not believe your comment that women were treated the same. Unless of course you really haven't been in the military. Same pay yes, for same designation. And just what was the point of your last point, it does not seem pertinent to the rest of your post, nor pertinent in life as a matter of fact, as there are also many men in university NOT excelling in academics. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And also, for you out there that say women need to keep their legs closed, why do you not say that men need to keep their zippers closed, it takes 2!

If you use 1 specific quote, taken out of context and follow it by negative dialogue, and labeling it heretical means yes you are slanting and dissing. Having said that, I also have been known to diss Freemasonry but for very different reasons, and at least my dissing is selective to an aspect or 2, not broad based and it was well researched. And yes, it does read something like and encyclopedia, but it actually gives a truthful account of history, unlike other encyclopedias. But it is a little hard to come by in the public domain. Perhaps Freemasonry, as an esoteric knowledge and philosophy, is not compatible with exoteric beliefs? By the way you should really look up things, like the definition of religion! Main Entry: re·li·gion Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n Function: noun Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY 1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices 3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/religion My, it must nice to know one is perfect in knowledge, without actually having any.

hmm, well, all I have to say is that; mental behaviour sciences do not prove the notion that 12 year olds are a good age to eradicate back to. They would have to go back to somewhere between 4-5 years old in order to have a blank slate to work from, or perhaps younger. And that is supposing the "blank slate theory" is correct even. I wish them all the best in their endeavours!

Here is some thought on what I said and some very good links are attached to the web site linked to, if you would like to no more about how your tax dollars are funding the military for oil comapny interests. Perhaps the rich should be the ones to fund wars, with their money and their children's lives? We may have less of them. http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=157241 Anthor interesting discussion is starting here about this that may be worth watching unfold which is where the above and below information is links come from, in case you have no interest going elsewhere. A book out by Henry Giroux, a former US academic that now resides in Canada and teaches at McMaster University calls the new climate of authoritarianism in the USA "proto-fascism" and IMV it is coming soon to Canada if minority would have their way he denotes indicators of incidious fascism as: - the cult of traditionalism and a reactionary modernism - the ongoing corporatization of civil society and the diminishing of public space - a culture of fear and a rampant, chauvinistic patriotism - the attempt to control the mass media through government regulation, consolidated corporate ownership, or sympathetic media moguls and spokespeople - the rise of Newspeak, designed to produce an impoverished vocabulary and elementary syntax, whose consequence is to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning - collapse of the separation of church and state - militarization of public space and of the social order - the rise of neo-liberalism as the defining ideology of the current historical moment Book

Guthrie, you also forgot to mention that finding Osama Bin Laden, should have been even easier as he requires constant kidney dialysis, and I am sure no cave has the set up he needs. Now, we find today that Bush is actually acting as a dictator: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/10746768/detail.html In other news John Edwards is making moves against this dictatorship move.

So, you have not read the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry then. But you are an expert on it, though you self admittedly know nothing? This seems to be a habit of yours, feeling free to diss something, classify yourself as knowing something, while knowing nothing about it, and then saying you will not educate yourself about it even, because you "know" everything. It seems your "knowing" everything is surface quotes, that support your pre-conceived bias.

Have you read the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry? Plus, don't trust crap the BC Freemasons link to, they are hardly credible IMV. Funny how people don't read things to get a full view yet they think they have right to opinion, from their own personal narrow perspective of dogma.

I guess I was lucky, I learned of feminism in a first-year course from professors whose strongest belief was that feminism's biggest challenge is to not fall into the same dogma it fights to overcome. I remember hearing that the year before a couple of radical professors had taught that same first-year course, and needles to say they were no longer teaching that class when I started it. From what I hear, it put off a lot of the students. I remember wondering what I may have thought of feminism if such extreme views had been my first introduction to it. So don't worry, these women are the fringes of feminism - if they're not ridiculed by their peers, they're more likely to turn women OFF of feminism, than they are in "converting" anyone to such preposterousness. I concur with this BC_Chick, when I was in university, I was approached by feminists on campus to join their ranks. At that time, what some have labelled as radical feminism, held NO interest for me, nor does it now. And I did not self-idenify as a feminist, I considered myself more of a humanist seeking equality rights for women. Many women also felt that same way and set out to change it. Hence the new wave of feminist thought. Many do not understand this, nor do they seek to so so. However, the fundamental principal of the right to self determine has remained the foundation of feminists thought. In our free access to medical care system, there can be NO discrimination. If there is discrimination for one funded "elective" surgery, there will soon be attacks on all "elective" sugeries. That is the way of it.

Most assuredly, they are playing it down, as we can see with the advent of the adherence to Islam Law that was re-introduced after the election of a democratic government. This was the same law the Taliban used when they were in control of the country. But we Canadians, who financing this useless murdering endeavour, are NOT supposed to look at that either, we are just supposed to ignore it, and move along as not being worthy of consideration. They know full well, that the rules of Islam over-ride any human rights, as they know full well it became entrenched yet again with the re-enactment of old Taliban law. So why are we there again? Oh right, we are funding the private army of oil and drug cartells!

There is no contextual value in your comment, plus how can a man tell a woman her view of feminism is wrong? Seriously? Think about it. Women can discuss and debate the reasonableness of feminist thought and/or action, men cannot, they have no experience to base their perceptions upon other than being male. And I have already stated that yes, woman can be wrong, but that is outside the parameters of feminist thought, why are you harping to it? And please do read up on feminist thought instead of trying to dialogue from a position of having NO knowledge whatsoever, other than a few outdated quotes to form your thoughts and strawman arguments that are not applicable.

Do you then feel the same way about; heart transplants, by pass surgery, Type 2 Diabetes treatment, joint replacements from sports over use? And I could name several other extremely costly conditions that we pay for even though people have consiously made the selfish decision, to eat unhealthily, to smoke, and to ignore Drs warnings, and still they expect society to foot the bill? Framing the terms around the woman being the victim of rape being the only one society should pay for is illogical, and unenforcable.. Plus, there is no such things as a "selfish mistake", mistakes are just mistakes, to ascribe selfish to it means the person premeditated it and then it is NOT a mistake. Nor do women go around getting pregnant just so they can have an abortion!

Apparently, the US Congress does not agree with you from page 5 inthis topic thread. Plus, your disagreement would mean that you would be okay with the USA shooting up a Canadian city to get at supposed terrorists, with no warning, and you would not think it was an act of terror.

You are taking that out of context, and mirepresenting those words. I had quite clearly stated before NO feminist that I know would support the unequal hours worked scenario given, and in particular, I was saying with those words that: 1. That a man cannot tell a woman that her view of feminism is wrong. Keeping in mind femiinism does not support the notion of equal wages for unequal time worked strawman argument. 2. A man has no right to tell a feminist how to determine her body or place in the world, or even how she should approach it. 3. The fight for equality is done by women on their individual terms not from male input. You took a narrow comment based upon this discussion thread and made it broad in application. You did not read the links given, explaining 1st wave 2nd wave etc, you have NO idea what feminism is, you won't be bothered to find out and yet you think you have a right to make commentary and pass judgement, I say that is misogyny.

Thank you Guthrie, it is amazing the profound impact this man has had on peoples lives whether they realize it or not. Today, I honour Martin Luther King Jr, for all that he was, and all that he did, and all that HE will do. A friend wrote this, and I would like to share it: This January 15th, we once again commemorate the life and work of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Normally, the commemoration focuses on Dr. King’s “I Have a Dream” speech of 1963. While the words of this speech, words burned into the memory of virtually every American, are transcendent, they do not tell us the full story of the man and his legacy. To celebrate that, we need to remember the work Dr. King carried on in the last four and a half years of his life, work focused not only on the struggle for civil rights, a struggle that continues to this day, but on many other issues, such as: -The pointless reliance by our country’s leaders on brute force to solve international disputes; -The excessive hold that greed has on our society. -And the struggle of the world’s poor and dispossessed for a decent life. On April 4, 1967, one year to the day before his assassination, Martin Luther King Jr. gave a major and now largely forgotten speech. In this speech, titled “Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break the Silence”, Dr. King became the first mainstream civil rights leader to oppose the U.S. war against Vietnam. Dr. King spoke of the misplaced priorities of the U.S. government and our country’s economic leadership: “…When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered…” Dr. King predicted the moral crisis that the worship of armed intervention would lead us to: “…A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death…” And Dr. King called for a positive alternative to the limited and heartless world view of our nation’s leaders, an alternative that people in places like Venezuela, Bolivia and people in activist communities here and around the world are now bringing to life: “…A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies…A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth…it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America and say: "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. A true revolution of values will lay hands on the world order and say of war: "This way of settling differences is not just." This speech, perhaps the most courageous of Dr King’s life, was denounced by many of the leading figures of both major parties and many of those who had claimed to support the civil rights struggle. Dr. King was told, essentially, to know his place, to speak only about the issues the white political leadership would tolerate him speaking about, and then only on their terms. On January 15th, let us remember the life and work of Dr Martin Luther King Jr. Let us remember and celebrate ALL that Dr. King so bravely and peacefully fought for; Let us remember the alliance of working class people of all races that Dr. King was building at the time of his death; Let us remember the Poor People’s March that Dr. King’s followers brought to Washington D.C. after his death and let us mourn the fact that far too many of us turned away from the struggle for a better world and reduced ourselves to materialism, selfishness and short-term self-interest. And let us take up the work again, joining with people everywhere who seek an end to war, repression, hatred and greed, and build a world of justice, hope, freedom and equality for all. It will take years, perhaps decades, but it must be done. Dr King died for “the Dream”. It’s up to us to live it. (Note: the full text of King's Vietnam speech can be found at http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/058.html ) Ken Burch