madmax

Its ok.. I got it ..even if no one else did...

my bad .. Created thread confusion... Post regarding Robocalls is in ROBOCalls thread. The Poll results in this thread by Angus Read as I have read them so far.. are not related to specifically to Robocalls.

Sorry just got your comment above now.. Here is what your post would look like with Robocalls retracted.

Robocalls? The poll isn't about Robocalls.. Its about providing FALSE and MISLEADING information. That can be done through many ways including Telemarketing (as has been expressed in the RMG call centres) where employees took it upon themselves to contact the RCMP and Elections Canada. Or Robocalls or False emails or u name it ... perhaps false and misleading comments in Parliment... When I find the full poll I will post it....

Well I disagree with this.. cause I think its a copout for a poll.. I have decided to add it into the mix.. for those on the fence...

My Bad.. will fix..

If I had been around for the VikiLeaks.... and his name had been floated during the time the Conservatives were blaming the NDP... and this was a poll on VIKILEAKS... then yes I would have his name in a poll. But that is not the case at this time... This poll is currently based those named in court documents and being investigated by Elections Canada.. and those whom the Conservative Government are fingering in parliment. When I see his name tied to a Conservative Accusations specifically to the Impersonation of Elections Canada.. like they have accused the Liberals.. and well Elections Canada... as well as one of their own staffers.. then I will add it to the mix. As of right now Adam Carroll only gets credit for one scandal

Well.. other then a choice of "Wait" which I have no interest in putting in..and which Angus Reid did not give as an option. (OK wait is now a choice) Toss me a choice in bolded above in your comments that I am missing ....

Angus Reid poll has asked Canadians which federal parties are likely to provide false and misleading information to voters. It found 63% of respondents fingered the Tories, while 55% also pointed at the Liberals. Only a third could see the NDP, Green Party and Bloc Quebecois using the dirty trick. Almost two-thirds of respondents said the misleading robocalls probably weren't limited to Guelph, Ont., where the story first broke. Angus Reid conducted an online survey among 1,001 randomly selected Canadian adults between March 1 and March 3. The margin of error is +/- 3.1%, 19 times out of 20.

You trust the Conservative Party and that choice is available to you. The Conservatives have made accusations in the house to which you can choose to accept or not. The Conservatives have accused the Liberals, Elections Canada and a rogue within.. The Conservatives have stated quite clearly they played no role in the elections fraud. that choice is available to u.

Perhaps you need a rethink of your argument. Left Leaning people like the author above did not accept it. Left Leaning people don't accept it when it was Chretien nor now with the implications looking at the Conservative Party and the Harper Government. It doesn't help matters when the Harper Government behaves similar to the Chretien government in their ability to deflect and ignore the issue at hand. It takes time for this to sink into the Canadian Public. Therefore your argument is incorrect.. CentreRight and CentreLeft and even moreso..FAR LEFT did not support the position of the Chretien government. Eventually the Voting Public did not either and the Liberals were removed from power. I expect the same scenario to follow through with the Conservative Harper Government as this story unfolds and should the facts implicat the Conservatives and their operatives.. It will be bad news for the Conservatives... What I see are alot of Silent Conservatives.. cause .... they think just maybe it was them and they don't want to pass judgement to soon, but if it does come to pass the Conservatives, Racknine, RMG were involved with Rogue Ops... then they too will look for a massive shakeup within their party. Once people tired of the Liberal Shannigans the Liberal Vote went to the RIGHT and to the Left Respectively. People accept that Harper won. People won't accept anyone Impersonating Elections Canada.. especially if its orchestrated on a large scale level... AND NEITHER SHOULD THE CONSERVATIVES!!! which we don't hear anything about. The Conservatives downplaying of this issue continues to be an embarrassment to them. It would be better if the Conservatives actually cooperated vs say they are cooperating then stonewalling with the information that they have available to them. So far ELections Canada has fingered Conservative Firms. No one else!!! THe Fraudulent Calls go through Conservativer Firms. The Records of Payment to the Firms are NOT listed on the Official Campaign Expenses. This is unheard of in campaign expense reporting. While it is not normal for the general public to know this... that in itself is a HUGE RED FLAG.... It doesn't look good ..... ....."but the Liberals"....... Well ... but the Liberals ..... "WERE REDUCED TO A RUMP" something never seen before in Electoral Politics since Confederation. The Conservatives can stonewall all they want.. like the Liberals did. Eventually the truth will come out.... Even Mulroney finally got caught after being fully exonerated.. Denial cannot be taken at face value.

Kool.. Can you link me too that.. I am seeing if I can edit this poll, and will add the latest Conservative accusation.

That is like doing a POLL BEFORE an ELECTION and telling me .. lets wait for the real results lol.... This is what is known as a straw poll... and MLW poll... and often a MLW poll surprisely has been pretty accurate.. The choices above are based ONLY upon the "Parties" (not political parties specifically but those currently under investigation...) cited by Elections Canada and the 2nd round choices are those whom the Conservatives have chosen to blame over the past week... Therefore.. Elections Canada has traced the calls to Racknine, RMG and the Conservatives.. They have concluded nothing.... What this poll does is give those speculators a chance to state their "opinion" . Some believe Racknine is innocent.. some believe RMG is innocent, some believe the Conservatives are innocent.. some believe it was a rogue Conservative.. Some believe the Conservative Position that the Liberals impersonated Elections Canada... (even if Elections Canada has not found or disclosed any such information.. and Some people believe the Conservative Position that Elections Canada impersonated Elections Canada and sent people to the wrong polls... Or some people believe it was National Conservative Campaign Worker Sonsa... Fact is.. we don't know but the investigation by Elections Canada is looking at the Conservative Party (Who refuse to release records , phone logs, computer data) to Elections Canada at this time. Racknine has chosen to cooperate with elections Canada RMG who'm collects all the data for the Conservatives.. well, I think their owner is in the Carribean right now.. Which leaves us to the 2nd round.. If you believe the Conservatives are not involved..you may choose one of their accusations of who did it.... If you want to wait for the "real results" don't participate in any poll...

I an well aware of whats going on I hope Clearly drives that Pension message home and gets them to really knock it down..

Funny our Conservative defended his big fat pension after 6 years and has not taken the stand of Cleary. And if he did "mispoke" and took heat for it.. does it matter.. its the right thing... Consider yourself lucky.. we got rockheads for mps...not mps on the rock

Answer as best as u can...

Thats correct.. Guilty and in Violation.

Not sure what the purpose of this thread is... Harper has never really competition, perhaps that is why he and his party are always doing stupid things when left on their own. Considering the current opposition you wouldn't think the Conservatives need to sound so stupid everyday... but they manage it.. all on their own..

BRAVO then.. its about time a politician said they don't deserve those pensions... You are comparing him, to an MP getting paid good money to do his job and instead falls asleep, insults veterans.. and acts like a jackass... And gives a non apology... He's going to be a both footer soon...

I expect to see a THOROUGH investigation of the Guelph Riding.. The number of calls submitted before this story broke and done within 30 days of the Federal Election are going to prime investigation and are the prime investigation.. One thing that is VERY VERY VERY interesting is that the Conservatives and their Supporters DO NOT WANT any investigation and downplay what happened. I find that a very strange position to take. Why would Conservative Supporters and the Conservative Party not want to investigate and help the investigation of who was behind impersonating Elections Canada... I believe REPORTER MP PETER KENT fingered the National Conservative Operative representing Guelph as the culprit. Of course the indentified person denies this... Just how did the Reporters end up at this persons doorstep and why would those in the Conservative party through this person under the bus?

It doesn't matter if any seats were "LOST". It doesn't matter if the public still managed to get to their polling stations.. What REALLY matters... is WHO is behind this... What REALLY matters...is that the Conservative Party...after months of fact finding... appears to be the ones under investigation. Appears to be the ones with misdirected funds and absense of reporting in the riding of Guelph. It also seems to be that Elections Canada at this time , investigation has lead to 2 Conservative 3rd party operatives in both Information Gathering and Information dissemmination... What really matters is that this should NEVER happen in Canadain Politics where someone/group is impersonating Elections Canada... And lets see those Conservative Logs, Records, Scripts.. and follow the money!!! Their denials are laughable.. One day, DeMastro says they never used American Firms.. next day its revealed HE personally did... Enjoy being Conservative supporter..... You are in for a rough few years ahead...

I believe all those "American Jobs" head to Mexico and China more often then sweethomealabama

Nuff said..

Remember the heat the TTC employee took for falling asleep? IIRC he was on medication that made him drowsy and I believe he did pass away shortly after these pictures were taken. So.. Where are all the Conservatives .. when it comes to one of their own WELL PAID, Consertive MP SLEEPING I guess he meets a different pay grade and there can be no outrage for sleeping on the job...

Once again.. for my entertainment.... Leave it to this Conservative "hack" opps sorry MP Rob Anderslol, to call Veterans and card carring Conservatives no less.. NDP hacks... http://www.canada.com/news/Anders+apologizes+Parliament+calling+veterans+hacks/6258087/story.html