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Oh Oleg you state; "Israeli citizens do not have democratic rights.." We in the mood for sweeping simplistic generalizations this morning that ignore the obvious? Psst. What you should have said was in your opinion, you do not feel Israeli citizens have democratic rights. You sound a tad presumptious. "If a jewish peace activist makes friends with her Palistinian counter part..they will toss rocks though her window." You have invented a scenario and a rather simplistic one at that with no context, and then you suggest that is the objective basis for the conclusion or assumptions not just for the rock throwing but the lack of democracy. Psst. Your subjective perceptions created by your invented scenarios does nothing but establish you confuse your own subjective assumptions with objective reality. Do try again. "IF a Jew insists on peace with his neighbours and former brothers the Palistinians..he will be persecuted - because it is a crimminal government of surrogate mafia types that run the place.." Yooohooo Oleg....what are you talking about? Again you create a scenario and pose it as a fact to base yet again more subjective assumptions on. That is not rational or logical. Its simply fantasy and projection of fantasy on others to rationalize your position you think you understand them all and how they all think and are motivated. What makes your comments absurd, is that there is a strong peace movement, in fact hundreds of peace groups in Israel that play a strong, vocal, active role in its society. Maybe instead of creating these fantasies and posing them as facts you at least make an effort to find out who the peace network is in Israel and what they do and why they are able to do what they do-here's a hint, they aren't being killed or stoned. As for your reference to surrogate mafia running the place....if you are suggesting its politicians are crooks, I can't argue with you there, that seems to be common with all politicians..but maybe just maybe there might be one person who tells the truth. Its possible. "thank God that they finally jailed Conrad Black and curbed the Nazi like policy that was the Jerusalem Post.." O.k. Oleg back down to earth please. Conrad Black has not owned the Jersualem Post for many years. When he did own it, he had no control or say in its editorial policy. Your odious suggest that the Jerusalem post had Nazi policy is vile for two reasons-firstly all you do when you call any Israeli or Jew a Nazi or Nazi like, is to bait them and show your own intolerance. Enough with the Nazi references. Secondly find out what the Jerusalem Post's editorial policy has been. Its been one of the most vocal opponents of the Israeli governments in power. You would know that if you stop stereotyping and imposing your subjective misconceptions which you assume are true because you feel they are true. The Israeli media has never been an apologist to any Israeli government. "Funny I could swear that Eddie Greenspan must have finally said to himself..."Conrad is a god damn trouble maker and I am tired of him toying with Israel" " The above is now nonsensical. The Conrad Black trial had nothing to do with Israel. "It is possible and probable that Eddie sold Conrad out...and if that is the case..righfuly so that the adventurer is doing time and out of everyone's hair." How does the above assumption you make have anything to do with Israeli policy. Get a grip Oleg. Eddie Greenspan is a criminal lawyer who represented Conrad Black in regards to criminal offences that had nothing to do with Israel foreign or domestic policy or resulted from either.

The current factors as you call them are not the reason we have terrorism they are as a result of terrorism. Each Palestinian has a story. Stop patronizing them. Many are probably far more educated then you and your attempts to portray them as helpless victims clinging to the past sounds like you projecting your perceptions and assumptions on them. If you really care denounce the terrorists that hold them hostage and stop patronizing them and assuming they all need terrorists to do their fighting and represent them. Its not that simple.

I question the authenticity of your above story which is designed to incite hatred. Even if it were true which I personally doubt, how does it prove what you contend? You take an alleged individual incident and then ask people to make negative general assumptions based on it. In fact you exploit your alleged girlfriend's treatment to advance your political agenda. Here is why I have problems with what you said. First of all I have been through the Allenby bridge countless times with many Palestinians. The IDF is not stupid enough to engage in open bad behaviour with any foreigner it thinks could be a journalist or is not Israeli. That aside, I know exactly what the procedures are when people are strip searched. A woman soldier (and they are all young, i.e., 18, 19, 20) takes the woman to the side and if they ask them to take their clothes off they search them by hand. The brass ring you refer to the diameter of a hocky puck is absolute bull. What they look for is not just weapons, but drugs, or any false documents being smuggled or tiny tubes or viles that could contain viruses or germs or believe it or not excessive amounts of money. Those of us who have witnessed these strip searches know Palestinians can get upset and swear and yell back and resist abd its usually another Palestinian that helps calm them down or another Israeli soldier intervening so the one being yelled at does not get caught up in the screaming. Why? Well what this person does not tell you is the IDF is trained that a Palestinian yelling and putting up a fuss could be a distraction for someone else trying to slip through. Is it possible a soldier calls someone a cockroach who calls them a facist pig. Its quite possible but there is always a context. In the one presented above the reason why I do not buy it, is because the alleged witness did not present the full context just a very selective black and white incident. if such an incident happened something happened before and after the incident. As for the reference to the hockey puck sounds like someone trying to incite a Canadian with a Canadian reference to me. Also sounds like someone trying to refer to something we think could be true since when we go to airports we are asked to place our luggage through a metal square to determine its appropriate size. On the Allenby Bridge as is the case in numerous other check-points, using such a device would only cause distractions from the real exercise which is watching the eye movement and body movement of not just Palestinians but anyone crossing. I myself was strip searched numerous times. Some of the soldiers were grouches, others quite nice. Likewise some Palestinians were not happy others quite resigned to the process and are used to it not just by Israeli soldiers but from Jordanian soldiers and the PLO and the terror cells such as Islamic Jihad. Also I was at a checkpoint when they found an allegedly pregnant woman trying to smuggle in weapons and another drugs. I also witnessed the detention of an elderly man in his 70's carrying hundreds of fake passports. As for what happens within Israel proper, the laws of Israel are public domain. The system which allows non Jewish Israelis the right to vote their own people into the Knesset, allow them equal treatment and access in the courts, the hospitals, the schools, is far different then what is afforded non Muslims in the rest of the Middle East and the above poster knows it. I will say it again. Israel is a tiny state under constant threat of terror. As a result it is in a permanent state of security lock down. What this means is, if you are a citizen whether you are Jewish, Muslim, Druze, Christian, etc., you will be subject to constant body searches. If you are a citizen and you choose not to serve in the IDF which is the choice of every non Jew, it means you do not get a certain level of security clearance and it is that lack of security clearance that presents an obstacle if you want a job in certain sectors where security is an issue. That is what causes problems and it causes the same problems to Jews who do not wish to serve in the IDF and ask for exemption on mental health or religious grounds. The animosity between Jewish and Muslim and Christian Israelis is a crock of shit. Of course there are those who hate each other. But there is just as much infighting between Jews as there is between Jews, Muslims and Christians and for the same reasons. This is why I doubt the above poster has ever been to Israel. If he was there he would know the state of security lock down, the constant state of security causes a siege mentality and whether the Israeli is a Jew, Muslim, Christian, they adapt the same traits-its a high strung on edge characteristic that reflects in bad driving and high mortality rates when driving and in being testy when having to line up for anything. I have numerous Muslim Israeli friends. Some of them had no choice but to come to Canada. The lack of security clearance and the constant fear of being retaliated against everytime there is a terrorist attack is real to them and no its not easy. But neither is it easy for Israeli Jews for the exact same reasons and its why they come to Canada for the exact same reasons-the inability to find work because of security clearance issues or severe competition and animosity from others whether they be fellow Jews, Muslims, etc., trying to get the same job. This attempt to spin it into simple black and white Jew v. Muslim is as much a crock of shit as it is to say all Palestinians get along with each other or there is no dispute between different Muslim sects or between Palestinians and other Arab nationalities. This spin to make it only appear to be a problem in Israel is a crock. Israel has many internal ethnic and religious problems. Absolutely. But perhaps this person can discuss how he found the treatment of Jews or Palestinians in Jordan or Lebanon or Syria or Egypt. I won't hold my breath.

The very same things I personally find repugnant about the Chinese method of state control is what enables it in times of severe catastrophe to be able to do what it does. The Chinese Armed Forces has considerable expertise in earthquake, flood, and other natural disaster relief. It's strength is not in sophisticated equipment but in sheer manpower and being able to use its manpower to set up basic logistic systems for immediate emergency response. But long term, finding new homes for its people, building new schools, roads, facilities, finding the appropriate medical treatments and services, it struggles with because it has its limits and the more long term the problem is the more likely the excessive layers of its central organ corupt the process. So there is good and bad. But I guess the point is, when we see people suffer like this, we all want to see them helped and all these political considerations become a moot point. We just want people being helped. I am glad China has an ability to be able to mobilize its army to do what it does in these incidents. I just hope its people can find a way to figure out how to deal with any internal political problems with their government whether it be with Tibet or other issues. Hopefully they can find a way to figure out how you manage over a billion people efficiently (which necessarily requires far more centralization and government control then someone like me with political biases of a person coming from a society with far less people and far more space and resources could ever feel comfortable with) while balancing certain basic human rights. As for Burma and I will not call it, the other imposed military Junta name, the pigs that control it are a disgrace. Millions will die because of this military junta which is nothing more then a gang of thugs who rule by the gun and threat of death and torture. Man I wish there was some way to go in there and take the entire military and disarm them and force them to work completely naked and as relief workers.

Look I know the Kadr family does not exactly generate sympathy. In a way they typify what happens when some people abuse democracy and freedom of speech. Its a classic case of a family that comes to Canada, enjoys its medicare, all its social services, its standard of living, all the benefits of being Canadian and those of us born in Canada probably take for granted. They came and enjoyed all the benefits they then would have us believe they have nothing but contempt for and consider evil and need to be defeated. I appreciate its the utmost in hippocracy and it infruriates people. Yes the idea someone can commit terror and believe in intolerance and then use the same legal system they are sworn to destroy to protect themselves from their actions is hard to swallow. The problem is that portion of this issue, which causes strong emotional resposnes such as anger, contempt, the desire to seek revenge and lash out and punish-its all understandable but it doesn't address another portion of the debate. If we allow our laws to be subverted by not following a due and fair process, sure you might get what you think is revenge on the Kadrs but what about others who may not be the Kadrs and may not have done what they did? The concern I have is not over the Kadrs but over whether the precedents that have been established by the U.S. violate both the U.S. constitution and Canadian constitution and in effect create a precedent to not just suspend but permanently take away basic concepts of fundamental justice that are the building block of a democratic society. The problem here is the rules of evidence that our criminal and civil litigation systems follow have been thrown out. The fundamental rules of natural justice our administrative tribunals follow, has been thrown out. The due process required to make sure the legal proceeding that would find Kadr guilty (which everyone assumes he is) has been thrown out-tossed. Even if you think someone is guilty there is a reason we have process and procedures to assure its proven fairly. Its to safeguard us all not just Kadr from potential abuse in unrelated cases. The tendency to be myopic and say, who gives a shit, hang the little twit is tempting but its not just about Kadr or his family, its about the US and Canadian legal systems and the integrity of their processes. The tribunal set up to hear Kadr does not follow the law of the military that was based on a code of honour and ethics. It deliberately creates a new and different system that neither follows military law or our civil or criminal laws. It fuses or mixes politics and a process to impose certain political assumptions. The fact that we may agree with those political assumptions, doesn't make them legitimate or legal. You want to try Kadr it should have been done according to existing military law or international law. What the U.S. and Bush regime did was create a new system so it would not be accountable to international law or military law or its own constitution and that is just plain wrong. Canada unlike Britain, did not ask for Kadr to be returned and tried under Canadian laws. This has set the wrong legal precedent. The British were right. If the individual is a Canadian citizen he belongs in Canada under Canadian laws unless he is held as a prisoner of war by the U.S. But the U.S. created a new prisoner of war category and created a new law. They have in fact invented a new category for terrorists. The problem with that is the formula they use to define terrorist was never defined or stipulated. All they did was to say he's not a soldier at war, but he's not entitled to civilian or international laws. So they created this new category by attrition, by defining what Kadr is not, not what he is. Law is formulated on stating what is, not what isn't. Simply stating what isn't simply creates ambiguity and in fact a state of lawlessness. What the U.S. has one is create a tribunal and system to be lawless, i.e., to cricumvent its own military, civilian, criminal and constitutional laws, international law, and all Canadian laws. Harper had a legal obligation to assure certain things were respected no matter how repugnant Kadr may appear to you. By relinquishing our sovereign right to have control over our citizens if they are not prisoners of war, we send a signal to the world that will not defend our own sovereignty. In this case it may seem great because you hate Kadr but its going to be used in future situations where the citizen is NOT a terrorist and has been mistakenly accused of something they did not do. Then what? There's a reason Britain pulled the suspected terrorists that were British citizens out of G-Bay. Is anyone going to accuse Britain of being soft on terror? Of course not. It did so because of legal issues it was not willing to see violated. The major issue with Kadr is this. Until there is a new internal legal convention states sign as signatories and they agree to follow as to how to deal with terrorists-we have 2 laws to deal with terrorists. One is military law where they are apprehended as prisoners of war and fall under the Geneva Convention and ordinary military law as to treatment of prisoners of war OR they are arrested as criminals and tried as criminals under the domestic criminal laws of the nation where the crime was committed-but the US can not have it both ways and invent a new law that is a little bit of military law, a little but of criminal law, but scraps any due process and basically turns it into a political tribunal no different then the very kangeroo courts we criticize in Muslim countries like Iran or totalitarian countries like China. No I do not like the Kadr family. I find there continued enjoyment of Canada's laws and social benefits to be the utmost in hippocracy. However that to me is not the issue. Assuring our laws follow due process so that democracy is not endangered from others using the Kadr precedent for future abuse is. As for Kadr himself it was and continues to be my opinion he should have been treated as a prisoner of war. If this shows us nothing else it is that we need new international law as to how terrorists are to be treated and tried. I doubt that will ever happen at least not at this point in time. Russia, China and the U.S. will never agree to it. Even in Israel contrary to what some of you might believe, when they arrest and detain a terrorist and place them in prison, although the trials are not public domain, there are certain basic rules that must be followed including what evidence must exist and there is full disclosure of evidence provided the person arrested and defined as a terrorist and the Supreme Court of Israel has over-turned and released individuals suspected of being terrorists when these rules and processes were not followed. I could understand if the U.S. had concerns about wanting to keep these proceedings closed to the public, but that was never the issue. In fact it appears they want this process they have invited to be a public show-case-its designed for public display. Its precisely the US Bish regime's intention to make this a public display that destroys its credibility. This should have been handled by a US military tribunal following prisoner of war procedures. Its bastardized the US military and turned their officers into performing monkeys for a political agenda. It is an affront to military tradition and their laws.

all I know is there is a Gaylord in Michigan, another in Minnesota and another in Indianna. Also Dike is a city in Grand County, Iowa and also a city in Hopkins County, Texas.

I do believe he is trying to be a smarty pants Argus. Maybe we should put him in a cage with a pit bull or a ferral cat and see how he does.

Lol. That is exactly his point XUL. Say XUL is there anymore room for "us" in North York? Your guys seem to have filled the remaining parts up. Lol. All I know is my mother lived in the jewish community of Shanghai until 1949 and the Chinese people as poor and hungry as they were lived peacefully with Jews and shared the little they had. I am not sure too many people know that but you know I know. So when I criticize China over Tibet its the same reason I get angry at both Israel and Palestinians. I just wish all this tribal stuff would be settled. Getting people fresh water and food, that is what matters. I hate all governments and everyone equally today.

Let's start with the obvious. Having been born a Jew, Einstein knew that the concept "chosen" in the Jewish religion does not refer to Jews being better or more special then anyone else and so he would not reject it for the reason you do. In your past posts you have repeated an ancient anti-semitic cannard that Jews believe we are superior to others because we are "chosen" and Zionism is racism because we believe we are a "chosen" race. Both are false statements and myths based on begative stereotypical assumptions as to the beliefs of Jews which necessarily suggest we are intolerant of others since we think we are better then them. Now you suggest Einstein would have the same mistaken belief about Judaism as you do. Don't thinks so. In fact Einstein made many comments about religion but never once questioned Judaism as you have suggested. He talked about a cosmic and universal religion and in reference to Spinoza. In fact when he talked of religion he rejected the notion of a personal God and a vindicative or judgemental God that punishes. He did not like any fundamentalism, but one thing he was not, and that was a self-hating Jew. He never once insulted the Jewish religion and when he talked of religions, he criticized them all equally. Classic quotes from him on religion and his religious views can be found on these three web-sites to start with; http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~neum/contrib/lesikar.html http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Albert_Einstein.html http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Theology-Albert-Einstein.htm In fact the only discipline Einstein ever referred to directly and positively was Buddhism and its technically not a religion as it does not prescribe a God and focuses on finding a path humans can follow to enlighten themselves and find and pursue their destiny-if anything it might define the debate as to whether Gdo exists or not to be something that humans should not waste their energy on since we can not prove or disprove it-in Einstein's Spinoza like approach to God it is an abstract God and his concepts would not stoop so low or so simplistic as to misunderstand a basic doctrine sich as the one you Kuzadd misrepresent. So no you are not in his company. I doubt you even read what he really said but simply just assume you think because he does not agree with all formal religions and fundamentalism he must think like you and misunderstand the Jewish religion like you do. Don't think so. He was a bit more intelligent then that.

I think its both. I think some of it is genuien questioning of judgement and the rest is in fact really a pretext to justify being racist. Where one begins and the other ends you and I will never know. I suspect even you would concede its both but what you are really saying is we should not be too quick to dismiss criticism of Obama as simply being motivated by racism. Its a tough one. The race card goes both ways doesn't it-it can be used to try give him unfair advantage or be used against him like it is by Hilary. I think its naive for anyone to believe race wasn't or will not continue to be an issue. It has been there from day one. So does the potential for his being shot dead because of it before this is over. Your analogy to Bob Jones U. is a good one. I do think though he was taken out of context as to what he originally said about Wright but I also agree he showed some bad judgement until he came out strongly against what he said. Then again we certainly can not suggest Hilary has shown good judgement and quite frankly McCain to has had some big lapses in judgement. They'z all gonna blow it big time on the public stage sooner or later. I hate the way though politics gets dirt nasty. I am absolutely disgusted with people spreading shit about McCain accepting favours in Vietnam and being a phony hero, Obama being a closet radical leftist intent with a secret Islamic agenda.As for Hilary who flings more sheeyit then an upset chimpanzee at a zoo, being called a dyke is pretty light compared to what she's thrown at others. I myself call her a lying murderer.

You surprised she would play the race card? Lol.

You have completely mistated what Obama's positions are and what he stands for. Why don't you make an effort to find out what his positions really are. Your "he wants to talk to Iran, Hams, and Hezbollah" is a classic case of someone taking what he has actually said completely out of context. As for this Israel is no longer the pretty girl at the ball and trying to suggest Obama is anti-Israel you are not even close. In fact the only other time I have heard someone advance what you have about Obama in the way you did was on David Duke's web-site and on the Stormfront web-site. Here is what Obama actually said..amazing what putting things in their proper context does; http://www.barackobama.com/2007/03/02/aipac_policy_forum.php Here is what he said about Israel and has been consistent in saying; "Our job is to never forget that the threat of violence is real. Our job is to renew the United States' efforts to help Israel achieve peace with its neighbors while remaining vigilant against those who do not share this vision. Our job is to do more than lay out another road map; our job is to rebuild the road to real peace and lasting security throughout the region. That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. That will always be my starting point. And when we see all of the growing threats in the region: from Iran to Iraq to the resurgence of al-Qaeda to the reinvigoration of Hamas and Hezbollah, that loyalty and that friendship will guide me as we begin to lay the stones that will build the road that takes us from the current instability to lasting peace and security." and here is what he said about Iran; "The world must work to stop Iran's uranium enrichment program and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It is far too dangerous to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a radical theocracy. And while we should take no option, including military action, off the table, sustained and aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions should be our primary means to prevent Iran from building nuclear weapons." and here is what he said about Hezbollah and Hamas; "And when Israel is attacked, we must stand up for Israel's legitimate right to defend itself. Last summer, Hezbollah attacked Israel. By using Lebanon as an outpost for terrorism, and innocent people as shields, Hezbollah has also engulfed that entire nation in violence and conflict, and threatened the fledgling movement for democracy there. That's why we have to press for enforcement of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1701, which demands the cessation of arms shipments to Hezbollah, a resolution which Syria and Iran continue to disregard. Their support and shipment of weapons to Hezbollah and Hamas, which threatens the peace and security in the region, must end. " and; "The U.S. and our partners have put before Hamas three very simple conditions to end this isolation: recognize Israel's right to exist; renounce the use of violence; and abide by past agreements between Israel and the Palestinian Authority." and; "We should all be concerned about the agreement negotiated among Palestinians in Mecca last month. The reports of this agreement suggest that Hamas, Fatah, and independent ministers would sit in a government together, under a Hamas Prime Minister, without any recognition of Israel, without a renunciation of violence, and with only an ambiguous promise to "respect" previous agreements. This should concern us all because it suggests that Mahmoud Abbas, who is a Palestinian leader I believe is committed to peace, felt forced to compromise with Hamas. However, if we are serious about the Quartet's conditions, we must tell the Palestinians this is not good enough. But as I said at the outset, Israel will have some heavy stones to carry as well. Its history has been full of tough choices in search of peace and security. Yitzhak Rabin had the vision to reach out to longtime enemies. Ariel Sharon had the determination to lead Israel out of Gaza. These were difficult, painful decisions that went to the heart of Israel's identity as a nation. Many Israelis I talked to during my visit last year told me that they were prepared to make sacrifices to give their children a chance to know peace. These were people of courage who wanted a better life. And I know these are difficult times and it can be easy to lose hope. But we owe it to our sons and daughters, our mothers and fathers, and to all those who have fallen, to keep searching for peace and security -- even though it can seem distant. This search is in the best interests of Israel. It is in the best interests of the United States. It is in the best interests of all of us. " and; "We can and we should help Israelis and Palestinians both fulfill their national goals: two states living side by side in peace and security. Both the Israeli and Palestinian people have suffered from the failure to achieve this goal. The United States should leave no stone unturned in working to make that goal a reality. But in the end, we also know that we should never seek to dictate what is best for the Israelis and their security interests. No Israeli Prime Minister should ever feel dragged to or blocked from the negotiating table by the United States. We must be partners - we must be active partners. Diplomacy in the Middle East cannot be done on the cheap. Diplomacy is measured by patience and effort. We cannot continue to have trips consisting of little more than photo-ops with little movement in between. Neither Israel nor the U.S. is served by this approach."

Sorry just reading the posts back now. No WB I agree with your response to me. Sheeyit. I did not mean we should be forced to by government. No no. Like you say there. I just meant in the other sense-until we really have our backs against the walls, and have no other choice we might not change. I mean me to you know. You know that human tendency to keep putting it off until we absolutely have to. That is what I meant. No I actually agree with what you say totally. I also don't have Aug's confidence in the economic assumptions he makes as to supply and demand and has prices. I really do think aside from the politics involved a lot of what we see are some nasty commodity brokerage speculation making money off of controlled networking and price fixing. I mean I am honest and say I can on an individual level do some things but hey yah I know there is a limit to what we can do as individuals too, etc. On my income I really am getting hit hard by it. The food prices I notice are going up. Everything goes up because of transportation. I can't help but think of Cuba where the government orders people into empty cars. Stranger things have happened. Look how easy it was to implement the War Measures Act during a crisis. I worry these things become a pretext for intrusive government intervention for the wrong reasons.

You sound like you need heroes to worship. You might also want to tryito find something good about yourself. You might find it will make you less judgemental, less prone to barking on college street and less likely to confuse hallucinations with visions. Or like I said you could simply stick to Lithium or something bizarre like Thorazine. It gives one twiches. That can pass as you pointing your finger in righteous indignation. Me my favourite drug is chocolate marshmellow cookies. When I was younger it was peyote. Then I decided running up and down College street barking made it problematic to keep a job. That and the constant fights with Satan over who was more cowardly, him or God. All I know is God just keeps laughing at us both and offering us chocolate marshmellow cookies.

Lol. You are stark raving mad but perceptive. He was indeed a professor! A physicist. He's part of the "chosen" who believe light and the way it travels is evidence of an omnipotent and infinite presence some like to call God. Imagine that, an atheist who by scientific process proved to himself divine essence exists-drove him stark raving mad, but he still can be quite lucid and I suspect should have been an electrician instead.

Oleg all I know is you seem to now have gone off on a tangent where you believe you can Judge people and call them cowards, to the point where you ridicule people raped by the same abusers as your mother. Oleg what I do know and I concede its not much, is that when someone accuses another of being a coward for not fighting back, they are probably being a presumptious, arrogant, judgemental, ignorant, sanctimonious, self-righteous, prick. I also find it interesting you scorn victims and focus all your attention on ridiculing them but spend no time commenting on their abusers. That Oleg for me is is the kind of cognitive disconnect I have come to witness with abusers. What I also know Oleg, is that is both abusive and cowardly to ridicule a victim particulary when you invoke your mother's suffering or Jesus to try justify such behaviour. You might want to ask yourself whether Jesus since you quote him went around Judging people and calling them cowards. I know a lot of people claim to know what he said but I am under the impression his Talmudic training and his exposure to Buddhism and Taoism and Hinduism in his travels would not have lent to such behaviour.

Oleg you went off the medication I guess. You sound like one of my buddies that walks up and down on college street and barks and yaps at himself. Nice man on the medication, a biter when he goes off it. First of all, I hate to break this to you Oleg but you have committed a classic example of how someone fuses Judaism and Zionism together into one concept and is precisely why people like me will call you out on it and say no what you do is not anti-Zionist it is anti-Jewish. I then call it anti-semitic because its based on your negative subjective stereotypical assumptions that assign negative characteristics on all Jews that can do only one thing-incite hatred against Jews for being Jews. No Oleg I was not taught that non Jews were inferior. In fact if you made an effort to speak to a Jew or read up on Judaism, it says nothing of the sort anywhere. What it does say is that all non Jews are to be respected and treated the same way we Jews want to be treated. That golden rule Oleg, it didn't originate from Jesus, it comes from the Talmud, and I am sure the Talmud borrowed it from Zoroastreanism, and its interesting but that Golden Rule is present in each and every religion. No there is no sinister Jewish conspiracy where we sit around sneering at non Jews. That is an ancient anti-semitic cannard and the fact it continues to be repeated does not suprise me. Some people from Europe, particularly East Europe just don't want give up such myths now do they Oleg? So do tell Oleg, show me in Judaism where it is taught non Jews are inferior. While you are at it since you fused Judaism and Zionism into one hated object of your attention, show me anywhere in any Zionist doctrine where it discusses non Jews as inferior. Your comment that all the leading Nazi generals and leaders had Jewish names? Would you care to share those names let alone document how they were Jews? With due respect Oleg to suggest Nazis were Jews is pretty bizarre let alone just plain nasty. Have I missed something here Oleg? Are you being satirical and I am taking it literally or are you being serious? Zionism is not even a Jewish religion doctrine. In Judaism there is a concept that Jews are chosen. Chosen does not mean we think we are superior or better then those not chosen. It refers to being given what we consider is an obligation we must carry out for God. It has nothing to do with how we perceived anyone else. It refers to our obligation to honour and obey God. In Judaism the way we are told we must honour God is both on an individual level and a collective community level. The notion we should live in Israel comes from the concept that God told Moses to go bring us there and we were to settle there and our link to God is through that nation he promised to us. Find that idiotic? No more idiotic then the concept that Jesus is the son of God and the only way, or only Muhammed knows the truth and so on and so on. Zionism is not the above. Zionism is a romantic notion that arose in the trade unions in Europe where Jews were poor and persecuted and dreamed of being their own bosses. That's where it started. The original Zionist doctrine is socialist and talks of a Jewish homeland in Israel because that is where Jews come from. If you lived in Europe where you were not allowed to own land or work in certain jobs or get citizenship in certain countries and were constantly murdered or beaten or were subject to the scorn of the majority of the people where you lived and were segregated of course you would dream of living somewhere where this could not happen anymore. The original Zionist doctrine says nothing about Jews as a race or creating a country that is based on race. The Jewish communal dream it talks about was not about hating anyone or feeling superior, it was and still is about the concept of universal sufferage for Jews no different then any other people who were enslaved or found themselves being persecuted and longed for their freedom. To suggest Zionism is Nazism is really not funny. Zionism did not preach the extermination of non Jews simply because they are non Jews. Zionism does not create myths of hatred let alone comment on non Jews. All this shit that Zionism is Nazism, racism, this blurring of Judaism and Zionism, these false assumptions you have as to what Judaism teaches Jews about non Jews, they are all based on negative subjective preconceptions that come from ancient myths that were passed down generation to generation through the churches of Euorpe and its time you stop repeating them for the sake of your son. He has to live in a world of many ethnic groups and as you stated in another post has been the target of hatred by non whites. Do you think he stands a chance if he's taught by you such things? Teach him to read about those he does not understand or are not like him Oleg. You do the same. Please. You sound like you have completely lost it. if that was your idea of humour, sorry I missed it.

Oleg do you have multiple personality disorder by any chance? You say good luck and you guess Israel has a right to exist (how Christian of you Oleg) then end with you hope it ends soon? Sounds a tad bit conflicted Oleg even for you but then I find many Europeans conflicted about Jews and exhibit a sudden disconnect when they discuss their country's role in the persecution of Jews. For example Oleg you state "shemites" should have stayed in Europe and were to cowardly to rough it out in Europe prior to 1948. This is a classic example of how someone from a European country disconnects from how Jews were treated in Europe and tries to trivialize how Jews were treated as if it was some harmless name calling and teasing. You are well aware that the holocaust required the collaboration of many people in many European countries and the elaborate cooperation and networking of government systems and railroad tracks to ship Jews out and into the death camps wiped out the vast majority of Jews and their neighbourhoods. Get real Oleg. All the Jews of Europe were wiped out from all over Europe. Neighbourhoods ceased to exist. Property stolen, synagogues burned down or replaced by churches. Get real. There was no one or place to return to. There were holocaust survivors that tried to return home. Some tried. Now their store or home was blown away by bombs or taken over by a non Jew. They had no money. Their bank accounts, long gone. They had no passports, no documentation, no money. They returned home to what? Empty neighbourhoods and memories of what? Tell me Oleg if you were Ukrainian, would you want to return tothe same area where Stalin murdered everyone you knew and where you were forced to flee from? If you were Irish do you really think you would want to return to the place where all your loved ones starved to death? Oh wait now, you expect all those cowards who fleed Darfur to return? Hey I know. If I go on vacation to Mexico and I am raped and robbed and beaten to a pulp, you know what, very next vacation that is where I am going back to. Get a grip Oleg. Asking a victim to return to the scene of a crime to live is just plain dumb. So is calling a victims of a crime or genocide a coward for not fighting back. Do me a fabour Oleg, don't become a rape crisis counselor. Stick with being a butcher. And I think you owe me some pork chops for the above comments. Wierd even for you.

Maybe you need to get a grip before you lecture anyone else. The existence of Israel has nothing to do with the Balfour Declaration which was rejected by the Arab League and forced Jews to fight to create the state of Israel in the first place. In fact the UN's mandate expired and the UN and all nations did not one thing to assist or protect Jews when they were attacked and fought for their lives. Israel in fact came about despite the UN's silence and not one country on this planet lifted a finger to help Jews in 1948 when they had no choice but to fight for their lives to create Israel. Israel came about with the help of people who acted on their own. In fact the US did not support Israel and did not want it to exist and Roosevelt and FDR were dead against it. It was Elenor Roosevelt in her caopacity as a UN envoy for displaced Jews from the holocaust who played the instrumental role in creating Israel, not the UN and not the US and certainly not Russia. She had to fight the UN and the US to do what she did. There were also some British soldiers who refused to shoot Jews coming into Israel on beeches and some brave British officers that were reprimanded and severely disciplined that can be remembered as well as some brave Arab families that gave land and were killed for helping the Jews. In fact it was France that set up Israel's post office and government systems. The problem with people like you who are quick to insult others is you aint so pretty that you can afford to tell someone else they are ugly. Why don't you at least make an effort to read the history you have the audacity to try lecture others about. Better still take your arrogant negative attitude and tone to Stormfront's web-site. It sounds like it will fit in just fine there,

Your last two paragraphs were quite eloquent and well said. Your first paragraph is of course presumptious and arrogant. You are in no position to lecture a people who have survived what we Jews have and tell us we should not be proud to have survived and achieved a dream. Its pure arrogance on your behalf to tell us to hate ourselves and be ashamed of what we have achieved. The second two paragraphs unlike the first are exactly the way to phrase what you wanted to say without having to become judgemental and point the finger and lecture someone they should be ashamed of themselves. Israelis know damn well that with 60 years comes many things and not all can be celebrated but yes Buffy there is a time and place for self-reflection. What you fail to mention is that as Israel celebrated its birthday, others commemorated a negative holiday which they refer to as a day of catastrophe and where they still call openly for the removal of all Jews from the Middle East instead of peace between Palestinians and Israelis. Did you see any Arab League nation dare openly say on its 60th anniversary of Israel's existence, that its time the Arab League take responsibility for what they did by placing Palestinians in refugee camps and in its continuing refusal to recognize Israel and its allow its media to be innundated with anti-semitism? Yes there is a lot of reflection Israelis and Jews engage in and need to continue engaging in. But for me just as Israel needs to ponder its mistakes and errors, so d the Arab League of Nations and anyone who thinks destroying Israel and killing Jews worldwide until this is achieved is an acceptable premises. Your last two paragraphs were well said. I appreciated them.

First off the Governor General to me is a babe and I want to get in her pants. She has a nice butt. This is the first Governor General I have ever had sexual thoughts about. Romeo Leblanc just did not cut it. That said, what the hell is your problem Leafless? Sarkozy has been the first French President to come out in strong support of the federal government and Quebec remaining in confederation and you are pooping your pants? Have you heard anything he said? Hey for that matter I would do Carla Bruni and the Governor General in a menage a trois. Oops I spoke French. The Governor General has been a good one. She is intelligent, articulate, open and genuine to people and she represents Canada just fine. So back off Leafless. She's mine.

No actually it proved his. He presented a story where it was obvious someone was saying something hateful. Instead of responding and saying its unfortunate hatred is a learned behaviour that can be passed on from generation to generation and leave it at that, no not you right? You had to patronize and prove that a person trying to share what its like to be the object of ridicule is just as bad as anyone that engages in such ridicule. Why? Where do you get off lecturing and patronizing someone who is trying to share what it feels like to be humiliated that they can't and because they are just as evil. Who made you God? Are you perfect? Following your comments to their logical conclusion none of us can speak of racism because we are all racist so we should all just shut up right? Wrong. Your message and point wasn't for all of us to shut up, just aboriginals. Thus the pretense and the smart ass righteous exercise of trying to suggest the word redneck is racist. Tell me how is it racist. I am a Jew. I pink skin and red hair and freckles. When I go out in the sun my neck turns red. It happens to a lot of caucasian people. How is that racist? Its a fact. I have had many people with darker skin ask me what the f...ck is wrong with me that I do not wear a hat if I know I am a pink boy. That is not racist its just there way of trying to prevent me from having a third degree burn, skin cancer or a stroke. Redneck? Hmm what about Redskin? Last time I looked there was no professional football team called the Washington Rednecks. You know damn well the word redneck refers to any racist of any colour. The origins of the word were white people in the sun on their plantations burning their necks. You think they were picking cotton or whipping the people with darker skin to pick the cotton. That is where the word comes from. Now you want to get semantic go ahead. Tell me how redneck is racist. Show me how it suggests all white people are racist. White people use that word as much as anyone else to suggest a bigot. Your point? That you feel it your need to put him in his place and maintain your feelings of being superior. Why do you think people can not resist following you and engaging in the same pretentious self-rghteous responses that once again try tell aboriginals they are not at the receiving end of bigotry but the cause of it. See this caucasian with the Jew in his Canadian buttox has no need to establish his identity being deliebrately smarmy to someone trying to share a story of bigotry. And no I am not self-righteous. I have a stupid buttox that has said stupid things. Only I just don't see the need to constantly insult aboriginal people and try humiliate them when they try share something surely you could have for once just acknowledged without the pointing back of your finger. Are you that insecure when an aboriginal person speaks that you need to do this? Why are you so afraid of them? Is it because they look different then you or tend to beat the crap out of white guys when we are stupid enough to play hockey with them? Get over it. They hit hard but they will pick up your spleen and liver and give it back to you after they pull you off the boards. Relax. They don't want them or your teeth or kidneys that are mooshed in there either. I got my spleen back after a MicMac from the Restigouche rearranged my innards. Bought me a beer after the game to. I couldn't feel a thing. Had no feeling anywhere. Completely paralyzed. If your point is we are all assholes just say so.

But it does feed her need to keep defining this conflict as a WWE wrestling match with an obvious bad guy to scapegoat and throw scorn at. I find that kind of sad. I wish she would challenge herself to for once break out of her comfort zone and question whether its possible Mr. Carter is wrong and is doing what he's doing based on an agenda that has nothing to do with Palestine and the Gaza and everything to do with his ego and the need to try get back at Bill Clinton. Perhaps if she tried to read the history between Carter and Clinton she would understand this sudden interest in Hamas at this time came about for a specific reason. She might also want to question how it is the same day Jimmy told the world Hamas wants peace, the very same Hamas leader was ridiculing him in the Muslim press and telling everyone the truce would provide a time to gather more arms and weapons so they could stock up to then finish the war to rid Palestine of Israel and Jordan. One sees and hears what they want to sometimes and I fear Ms. Buffy is so convinced she sees the virgin Mary in that gravy stain that anything you are I say means nothing. I have tried to assure her given my age I am an expert on what causes stains but she does not believe me.

Buffy I have come on this forum and you know it and defended your right to say I am wrong and stated in my opinion you are not intentionally trying to hate anyone. If anything I think its because you are so idealistic you engage in some remarks I personally disagree with and find mistaken. But that is our differences of opinion. I do find some others though do make the kinds of comments that show they have strong preconceived views as to Israel and Jews for that matter that exhibit intolerance and I think that is what Sharky is referring to. For example Ms. Buffy. You made a good point that Hamas should engage in peaceful political behaviour. But then where I disagree with you is when you then turned that partisan and in my opinion devalued it by showing a bias by suggesting Israel will kill innocent peaceful individuals and "wins" when its citizens die. I mean think about it Buffy you suggested Israel wins when it sees its people die by terrorist attacks or get shot at by missiles. That is precisely the kind of comment that reflects your bias and can be misconstrued as hateful. It may sound worse then you intended. Maybe you meant engaging in terror gets Israel sympathy which is cunter-productive to what Hamas needs to do if it is to win its propaganda war. Or maybe you actually meant it, that Israel likes it and thinks its a good thing its people die. Who knows. All I know is Israel does not win when its people are attacked or when innocent Palestinians are hurt and again I criticize you rendering this dispute as a pissing match or a football score. Its not. The reality is no one "wins" ever in such disputes except terrorists. Instead of coaching Hamas how to win a propaganda war, why not just speak of alternatives to violence they can pursue as you first started and avoid the rest to maintain a credible stance. The latter part of your comments sound like a cheap and nasty shot at Israel for defending itself against terror and deliebrtely blurring that with what happens to innocent Palestinians. If you really care about Palestinians you don't help them with such analysis. Turning Israel into the bad guy demon will not help Palestinians. All it does is empower Hamas to keep Palestinians captive and condemn them to a vicious cycle of tit for tat. Let us talk of peaceful measures both sides can engage in. I think that is what Sharky was getting at. I promise you Sharky is not engaged in a Zionist conspiracy with me. I am not even sure if he knows what A Hollywood Producer looks like or knows why Montreal bagels are the hope for humanity. Shark sounds like a Legal name not Zionist.

If this matter is to be resolved it must be resolved between Palestinians and Israelis. This typical Christian missionary arrogance of Carter to think he is morally superior to Palestinians and Israelis and will float in on his moral cloud of righteousness and set the world straight is nothing but racist horseshit. Its the same old arrogance that saw Christian missionaries wipe out millions of natives and travel the world seeking to rescue the souls of savages. Carter and his pretentious presumptious Christian missionary attitude can fuck right off. Mr. Abbas is being undermined by Carter. King Hussein of Jordan was undermined by Carter. Mr. Mubarak in Egypt was undermined by Carter. This is a matter of some sanctimonious twit not just thinking he can lecture Israel about talking to a sociopath pointing a gun at its head because Jimmy says so, its a matter of telling Egypt, Jordan and Abbas the same thing. All its done is piss people off behind the scenes while Hamas has a good laugh. Carter lost it years ago when he began writing that his Christian religious beliefs made him a sueprior human and give him absolue faith that he has an obligation to save others from their sins. Thanks but the last thing the world needs is another missionary. True visionaries that search and assist peace say nothing. They only listen and pass on what they hear and enagge in neutral statements. They don't take sides or impose an agenda. That is not what Carter is doing. He has a specific agenda-to show he is smarter then Bill Clinton. This is about Jimmy Carter desperately trying to create a legacy before he dies by winning a peace prize to shed his image of having been a weak, inept leader and someone everyone on the international stage laughed at and still does. Carter's intentions are genuine and for that he should be applauded-his righteousness and ego are to be condemned for all they do is generate this smug arrogance and belief he can tell the world what to do. Someone please read how Tony Blair conducted himself during the IRA negotiations and compare that to what Carter is doing. There is a reason Blair succeeded but Carter never has. If a peace comes about it will come about with Tony Blair and former negotiators from the Irish talks as well as countries such as Norway, Spain, Germany, Turkey, Germany, playing behind the scene key roles not to m ention Jordan and Egypt directly involved and you can be sure the Arab League and in particular Syria, and Saudi Arabia involved. This is a lot more complex then Jimmy Carter showing up to talk to Hamas. There are literally hunrdeds of interests involved.