It shows, the so-called "check and balance" that we want to rely on, can mean nothing. And......yes, the slippery slope of offing any relative who becomes a burden.....or whose greedy relatives can't wait to be rid off. Did I forget to mention that it also makes for a good way to cull the population - to get rid of "unproductive" citizens as a way of cutting corners? They may even call it the "HealthCare Austerity Program." It solves the problem for shortage of bed spaces, staff and.....nursing homes.

And so is abuse of the elderly and assault. So, why are those still prevalent in nursing homes? As proven by my response to you.....it makes perfect sense. Don't rely on the system - especially a BROKEN system! What doesn't make sense is the determination to bury our heads in the sand. Either we are in denial.....or we're apathetic about it. I suppose - as long as it isn't happening to me, it doesn't matter.

But that's simply your view. That doesn't change the fact! The fact still remains that there are groups that are opposing this because they feel vulnerable and threatened by it.

Maybe, we have to be considerate too, to those others who are in the same vulnerable situation, and look at it from their angle why they fear and oppose this legislation. We have to be considerate too, that we do not place an unwanted responsibility (of killing), on anyone. For some, committing murder - for it is murder (a deliberate killing) whether it's for mercy or not, and even requested - can be a traumatizing experience that will haunt for the rest of his life. I can't even bear to look when hubby had to finish off a deer that we hit on the road.....and here we are, we're talking murdering humans! Like I said in the post above, I can understand where BOTH SIDES are coming from. Do you feel empathy for those who fear this legislation? We can empathize all we want - but sometimes, to empathize is all we can do.

Resources from that would be a pittance. If we want to increase dwindling resources....it'll take drastic measures. Thorough screening and vetting of those entering Canada, is one way - so we don't have to pay millions to terrorists. But that's another story.

They could. We hear of suicides, don't we? Even without permission from anyone. Why do we need the permission of anyone if we truly think we have the individual right to end our own life? If anyone really want to die now, what's stopping them? Afraid they'll botch it without a doctor? Who's to say the doctor won't botch it either. Don't we hear of doctors getting sued for malpractice? It happens. Who cares what the system thinks if I'm already dead, right? Does it really matter anymore what people say when you're gone?

Another thing. Could this be the answer for those who are waiting in a long line for.........organ donors? Don't think that just because the scenarios are depicted only in fictional books and fictional movies, that it can't or won't happen in real life. Truth is stranger than fiction. Sometimes what actually happens is more bizarre than what we can only imagine.

The movie, "Soylent Green," comes to mind. ....but I don't imagine it will be as fancy, as how it's shown in the movie. If it happens....the first ones to go will be those without any relatives....or anyone who cares enough to come for visits. Those who are alone in this world.

Depends on the slope. It's easy to say "deal with the slope," but not so easily done when it's been established. The bigger slope that one has to be wary about with assisted suicide, is the fact that there will be those who will use their power to impose what they think is best for a person, or for society. As for depending on the system to do the work......we can't even deal with neglect and abuse right now in our retirement and nursing homes......so, there. People with dementia are all lumped together with the rest! Violence has become prevalent in these places! http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/long-term-care-marketplace-1.4501795 http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/violence-and-abuse-in-long-term-care-homes-1.4504831 http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/blog/40-ontario-nursing-homes-with-the-highest-rates-of-reported-abuse I believe the stories! I've worked in retirement homes - and I'd seen inspector(s) looked the other way! How couldn't the inspector not see when the problem was so visible? I don't know if corruption was involved. I actually sent an anonymous letter to the Ministry detailing what's been happening, and how unsafe the premises was (fire hazard) - we're talking possible explosions! I couldn't just look the other way. Furthermore, how can you trust a system that cannot function properly? Especially in socialist-leaning nations where universal healthcare is the norm - how do you deal with the ageing population - and other groups of people that aren't "productive" - with dwindling resources? The very system that we trust, could very well have the motive why it favors assisted suicide!

No, with gay marriage - the pitch was that they simply just want to marry and be given the same benefits that are given to heterosexual married couples. No one said anything about forcing people to go against their conscience. But we see it happening now.

I can understand where those who want assisted suicide are coming from. But I can also understand the fear of the disabled people who are protesting against it - they feel very vulnerable. Everything starts out for a good reason, or what may seem that way. It's the slippery slope that makes people wary.

Just so to be clear...... The TITLE says it all. What is dignity? The real issue in the OP of the now-locked thread, was completely ignored. To imply that one loses dignity when he becomes dependent on others, is at the very least, insensitive towards the disabled who doesn't share that kind of mind frame. Not all disabled people share the same sentiment that just because they depend on others for their basic needs, that they've lost their dignity! I pointed to some who still contribute to society despite their condition. Some jumped the gun at the use of the modern slang for perseverance, "suck it up." This statement was taken out of context. That's how I associate the term having dignity - being courageous, or persevering in a difficult situation or condition. The cold medicine ad I see everyday on Vision TV came to mind. "Suck it up!" Some think this is about religion. Although it can also be about religion - I don't think I've used religious belief as an argument. I've given the reasons why there are protests being made against assisted suicide - sources were provided. Religion was not among them. I do understand the position of some that do not want to go on living, waiting in pain til the end. Like one poster had said, we won't know how we will react unless we end up in the same shoes. Have you noticed that I didn't post this under Religion and Politics? Because it's not meant to be about religion. It is frustrating to see the same old arguments being given by some of the left -wing, the same old accusations that we see in every topic - they inevitably make it about Christianity and Christians! It's like deja-vu of the gone poster who kept bringing up the evils of the west, and the WTC conspiracy theory....in every darn topic! I wince every time someone associates dignity with having to depend on others for basic needs - "depending on others like a child," they say. And yet even a child, has dignity. Having dignity doesn't necessarily have to be tied up with dependence. Although some disabled people may see it or feel that way.....there are others who don't. Why can't we think of those others who don't think illness (and the consequences of being ill), had stripped them of their dignity? It's not like as if they're not facing the same difficulty - do we need to heap more on top of it? So.....my angle is coming from the standpoint of those dependent disabled who don't think they've lost their dignity despite of it! It probably is the most difficult of all struggles of the human spirit - and yet they still go on. Indeed....... just to be an inspiration to others, is a tremendous contribution that anyone can ever give.

Where did I say God will punish them? Cite. Didn't I say.....we are all sinners? That we're all going to give our account to God? But......you're forgetting one very important thing: THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHAT YOU LIKE! Can you please quit self-absorbing for a minute..........and get your feet on the ground. Reality check: the Bible is not about what Diahlamah likes. Furthermore, you misunderstand the word "judgement." Judgement as in who get life or death belongs only to God. It's not the same as using judgement (to know right from wrong) - after all, we are told by God to use critical thinking, to be vigilant so we won't be deceived. Boy, when you folks start being deceitful in discussions - attributing to me things I've never said.....then you must be grasping at straws. Most importantly, how do we have rational discussion with dishonest posters........ .......or, those who have difficulty with comprehension..... or have ignorance issues? You can't.

Another thing......you keep saying revilers. The term revile, is a very strong word. It means to criticize with contempt. Explain where you got that homosexuals are being reviled in this forum. Show a link....so we can all check for ourselves. If you're making a claim - especially, an outrageous one - you better be able to back it when challenged. I'm challenging you to prove what you claim. Actually...... ........what fits more the description of a reviler, would be those that refer to certain Christians with contempt

You keep referring to "fake" Christians. Explain what makes a fake Christian, when he's following the Scriptures. Isn't it the other way around? Think......hard. Very, very hard. When you refer to "fake" Christians.....wouldn't it be logical to say that those who disregard the AUTHORITATIVE BOOK of CHRISTIANITY, are the fake ones?

You mean Christians who follow the Scriptures. But of course, it's like talking to a brick wall with you. What do you understand about faith when you don't even believe in having faith in God. So let me just ignore you until you've got something that's worth responding to.

Why would Jesus say that? "Suck it up," is a modern slang.....that ultimately boils down to perseverance, and endurance. Interesting though to know the origin of that slang. Some suggest it came from a drill sergeant.

How do you know about our society's laws? Are you following our society's law only out of fear (of getting caught)..........or do you think it makes for a better society? Or, does your conscience tells you what's righteous or not?

Yep. No wonder there's no mention of genders when God created other creatures beside mankind. He just said, "according to their kind....." . SNAKES! Like the boa....doesn't even need a mate!

You were doing fine in the other forum....what brought you back? There were hardly any personal attacks against one another....until recently. It's starting to rear its ugly head again. Maybe this forum isn't for you?

There you go again - with your mished-mashed, or twisted analogy. Yoo-hoo. Anyone who supports, and justifies the murder of the unborn, does not have any moral ground at all! Life has no value if you cannot be independent - that's the message you promote! So never mind trying to vilify Christians for their religious belief. What more when you do so dishonestly - since, YOU KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND SQUAT! You claimed to have read the Bible (being a former believer you say) - but you demonstrate clearly your ignorance of it! What did you read? The title? Matthew 10 Persecutions Are Coming 16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. Jesus Teaches the Fear of God 27 “Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops. 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Lying comes so easy to a lot of non-believers, especially the revilers of Christianity! Understandably! Why do they hate Christianity (Christians)? Because of the values that's taught in it! You shouldn't lie, is one of them. Taking a life comes easy - that's the other message that comes with it! Of course, it will come easy. All you have to do is JUSTIFY taking it...........just like the way it's done when we want to get rid of an unborn. That's what we've been teaching our youth! It'll get worse! You think it's merely coincidence we see the rise in murder-suicides? There's hardly no simple suicides anymore! It's not enough to simply just take your own life. The motto of the day: if things don't go MY way - end it, but I'll take as many with me! It's always about ME! Who puts "ME," front and center? Is that a Christian value? Now.....back to the topic. If you want to continue with your line of argument, create your own thread for it!

I'm glad you said that. It depends on the disabled person.....if he feels he no longer have any dignity. And, how he thinks isn't necessarily the reflection of ALL disabled people. That's my point. Imagine the disabled listening to people equate dignity with being infirmed - that, to depend on others for your basic needs means you're without any dignity anymore. Who wouldn't get really depressed and think they're better off dead? What an insensitive, discouraging message it is we send. It's downright cruel to make them feel that way.