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All we need to do is get 50 guys to wait at the border with box cutters (pack a lunch). As soon as they do something stupid we annex the country.

Its all hot air, nothing more. Doesn't mean a thing to me. Mainstream media has zero credibility with me. I don't believe it.

Yeah, are you for real ? The USA wants to bring the central banks and their currencies to Iraq. A Rogue nation is simply one that is not under the control of the central bankers. Its that simple. A Western "democracy" is one that is under control by central bankers & their fiat currencies. We get war, income tax and inflation as a result. Its why they will go to war with N. Korea and Venezuela as well. These leaders refuse to sell out to the central bankers. The world doesn't run on religion. It runs on the dollar.

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Rogue Nation (Defn): A nation that will not permit the central world bankers from taking over its money supply. Western Democracy & EU (Defn): Country(s) that has sold its people out to the central bankers. War On Terror (Defn): False flag operations designed to start wars and subject Rogue Nations to central banker control

There are many other quotes from presidents about bankers besides these. These just say it like it is. This is not a conjecture on my part. This is the reality everyone wants us to miss. "Once a nation parts with the control of its currency and credit... all talk of the sovereignty of Parliament and of democracy is idle and futile" - Mackenzie King, 1935 "Let me issue and control the nations currency and I care not who writes the laws" Mayer Amschel Rothschild - quoted by RL Owen former Chairman of Senate Committe on Banking & Currency and one of the sponsors of the Fed. Reserve act. "(The Rothschild dynasty)...had conquered the world more thoroughly and more cunningly and much more lastingly than all the Ceasars before or all the Hitlers after them" - Frederic Morton The Rothschilds: A Family Portrait p.14(1962) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The federal reserve is a part of a much larger banking cartel that essentially rules the world. The term "western democracy" or "European Union" just means under control of central banks. The term "Rogue Nation" just means not under control by central banks. All this crap about the illuminati, global warming, and everything else is just to steer us away from the real problem in our society. Terrorism makes war for which everyone borrows to finance. The bankers win all the wars. There are a number of great google videos on this topic. These are simple to understand, they all say the same thing, its all true and its far more profound than anything else. It explains everything else: wars, income tax & inflation. Here are some examples: Rockefellars net wrth 1998 = about 11 trillion dollars Rothschilds est 1998 (100 - 400) trillion dollars. source:The American Union by 2005 – 2006 by Robert Gaylon Ross. You can watch 10 minutes of this free at www.prisonplanet.com in one of Alex Jones sites. Alex Jones is very credible when you do some fact checking. The Money Masters : This one is the best. Its a great documentary that is better than most on TV. Give it 5 minutes. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4991544789166784731 http://www.savethemales.ca/260602.html A short essay http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6441762576271629374 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466210540567002553

See www.toostupidtobepresident.com for excellent cartoons. The one with Arnold is best followed by Condoleeza & the gang in space aboard the USS Enrons Prize. "Drill for oil where no one has drilled before.." Funniest stuff on the web.

What media has free speech ????

Educate me. Explain the "plausible rationale". What are your sources ?

So you REALLY BELIEVE the stuff you see on TV & read in the news ? That WWII thing was a pretty complicated affair to stage. No wonder 911 was a snap for them. No planes, no cell phones able to penetrate air waves. Man, and the U2 incident was a Muslim Extremist being returned to sender with intelligence to deliver. Wow, this could go somewhere. You should read what I said and then think about what you said. You are making logical errors in your analysis required to support your beliefs. I didn't say "all wars". I said wars. Read PNAC. Read Northwoods. I understand that the Zionists were were given special mention in Mein Kemph although I haven read it. Jews & Zionists are not the same thing. You can be anti Zionist and pro jewish or visa versa. To see it you have to apply careful logic to facts before drawing conclusions. God gave us a brain so that we didn't have to believe everything governments tell us.

"Bush and the White house created 9/11, not sure why." Try looking at the evidence instead of burying your head in the sand. The CIA has sponsored terrorism for years. They are the worlds biggest drug dealers. They started the New World Order with 911. Look up PNAC. Look up Northwoods. WHO SHOT KENNEDY. Wake up.

Noooo...what I'm saying is that this paticular conspiracy theory is an old one. That life under the Bush admin has made a classic right-wing scenario plausible to people on the other end of the spectrum is interesting, but beside the point. Conspiracy or not, can you explain why there are 600 camps in the States ? Why the armed guards ? Why can't people get near them ? Bush is just the figurehead now of neocons that have existed for decades. The USA has always staged terrorist attacks to start wars. How many wars have they been in in the last 50 years ?

The USA has been building many "camps" built to house thousands of people all over the country. Togather these camps can hold many millions. Why are they there ? Does anyone know ?

I like Alex Jones too - his style would put a lot of intelligent people off, but I don't see him being discredited and he does throw around a lot of facts.

I have. Look up Operation Northwoods. The gov't believed something like this was possible, if they didn't Northwoods would not have got all the way up to Kennedy.

No. The WTC buildings looked like controlled demolition and not like anything else. The Pennsilvania crash looked unlike any other air crash - debris spread for miles. The plane that hit the Pentagon turned to dust or dissapeared. Everything has done that- all of the evidence and including the lack of it suggest the official line is not even close to reality. Look up Operation Northwoods. The gov't thinks its possible thats for sure. With a professional army you get to do whatever you want. They thought it would work on Russia (Northwoods), why not these countries ?

"Anybody who works for a large organization, who's had to cross only ONE line of operational chain-of-command knows how much it takes. A lot." Its happened before - Operation Northwoods made it all the way to Kennedy. So it must be possible.

The way I see it as that you can prove that there is a conspiracy using one of three methods (1) Look at the physical evidence and read the official story in any one of the accidents at WTC1,2 & 7 as well as the Pentagon. You could build a case on the evidence from any one of these sites does not even closely suggest the official line. (2) You could look at the series of co incidences around it - the US army coudn't shoot down those planes. They were conducting an exercise of the same thing (read rehearsal). The WTC was entirely shut down weeks before - in a way such as never before - all the personnel were cleared out. Bushes brother was in charge of security and did something very unusual before the crashes. The planes that hit the pentagon hit it where no one was working. All the physical evidence is gone- the planes in the Pentagon and in Pennisilvania - gone. The building wreckages - gone (illegally) (3) The government coverups and all of the lies. The fact that it was used to justify a war against terror and that Iraq was identified as a member of the Axis Of Evil. They even had most Americans thinking Saddam Hussein masterminded the attacks without coming out and explicitly saying this. It was a huge psyc - ops operation. The governement did not act as if the official line was true. Come on - "War Against Terror", "Axis Of Evil". This was a marketing campain. The idea was sold in 1 minute sound bites.

No, but much of the rationalization that's used to support arguments that those are cover-ups are identical to the ones used for 9-11. For example, 'it's always good to ask questions'. Another - official sources can't be trusted. Even closer to the point - finding strange anomalies and unexplained facts and concluding that there must be a conspiracy at work. And - yes - the Popular Mechanics article is a good read, if only to show that many seemingly unexplainable things can be explained. You can bet that the ones that aren't will be fuel for the conspiracy engines. Exactly. But c'mon MH, let's face it. The evidence of the lochness monster is far more compelling than the "cement powder, 110-stories-of-exposives" BS we're being subjected to here... I really do enjoy reading this stuff for entertainment value,though. They go round and round in circles without proving anything. The more you reply the more you are subjecting yourself to it. I am not holding your mouse hand and making you click to reply. I was not trying to turn this thread into a farce, which by now it clearly seems that way. So maybe just move along to another thread. Or hit that ignore button to stop subjecting yourself to this agonizing pain you seem to be in. Can you read? I just said I find it immensely entertaining, not painful. Keep it up! My money's still on professor plum in the library. Look up operation Northwoods.

"Apart from the fact that I haven't posted my opinion yet I guess. I certainly don't agree with all the conspiracy theories out there" Then you must believe that there are no conspiracies and that the powers in place in our society today genuinly have our best interest as their number one concern? As far as I'm concerned there is definetly something up. I see people here have taken the "follow the money" approach. I have been looking at the physical evidence and looking through various interpretations and comming to these conclusions and being 99.9999 % sure. The physical evidence proves that the official line is wrong.

The fact that the buildings fell in 8.4 seconds shows that they were in freefall and therefore not smashing through concrete and steel beams on the way down. An application of grade 10 physics can show that it would have taken at least 9.4 seconds for the buildings to fall according to the pancake theory. If you include the effects of bending steel and pulverizing concrete then it would have taken much longer. Furthermore the official explanation of the collapse violates the second law of thermodynamics which essentially states this: Buildings that fail due to an asymmetrical event do not collapse neatly into small pieces that can be loaded onto a flatbed truck and illegally whisked away to China for recycling before anyone can do a serious investigation.

I would change the bill of rights so that we receive adequate protection from persecution. Freedom from persecution is what they call it. In Canada lawyers can pretty much do as they please and they can actually just go around screwing people for the pure joy of it with no legal basis whatsover. Its not "allowed" but if it happens to you there is nothing you can do about it. The Law Society is a joke and lawyers are like children - they will not tell on their buddies. You cannot just go to a police station and report a crime committed by a lawyer - even if you have witnesses. You have to get another lawyer who is willing to stick his/her neck out. Given the character of these people and their belief that they should be above responsibility that is pretty hard. Other countries don't let lawyers get away with what they can get away with in Canada.

I met those two when working in St Catharines as a salesman. They really put on a show, Paul was going to pay cash for a big Sony console. I had to check stock and walk through two offices to gte to the stock room. They followed me right into the stock room. No one had ever done that before and thats why I remembered them. It was about a year later that it all came out in the papers.

The bill of rights of the USA is what we need to improve this country. We do not have any rights and our bill of rights should be published on toilet paper

It leads to bad genetics in a population. If you mate with you immediate relative then genetics mismatch and you get a kid with two heads or something. Its why you will never find your sister sexually attractive, no matter how good she looks. Its instinct but sometimes instinct isn't enough. I've read that you can go with your cousins though.