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US government is made of individuals. Individuals look out for themselves. If the individuals in government care so much about USA, why do they need Saudi Arabia? Why is Saudi Arabia so special? Good job. You gave Afghanistan to "Northern Alliance"... You realize that those were druglords?YOU HANDED THE COUNTRY OVER TO DRUG DEALERS! Opium production in Afghanistan grew 400% since 2001. Al-Qaeda were the good guys in Afghanistan. Sorry, you messed up majorely. NO THREAT EXISTS. Sept 17 2001 - Osama says he didn't cause 9/11 ~ http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

Wow... US government are such good people... they must really care about their country to invade for such a crappy reason. If they're so dedicated to USA, WHY ARE THEY LETTING SO MANY SOLDIERS DIE? WHY ARE THEY MAKING THE MONEY DEBT BIGGER AND BIGGER? WHY HAVE THEY FORGOTTEN ABOUT OSAMA? WHY DID THEY LIE ABOUT WMD's? Listen - if you've plotted to murder thousands of your fellow countrmen, YOU'LL NEVER HAVE A CONSCIENCE. All the people involved are getting RICHER AND RICHER. There's absolutely NO REASON FOR THEM TO STOP. If they had a conscience in the first place, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR. I would KILL for that sort of power and that much money. Fortunately, I have a secret network of agents that does that for me. Anyhell - point is this: CONSCIENCE IS BULLSHIT! Why would they care when they're RICH AND POWERFUL? Look - who's going to believe some nobody? 1. They got paid to shut up 2. They committed a crime, going public would mean convicting themselves 3. Going public would get in the way of powerful people who already murdered thousands Imagine one of them did come out? What would he say? How would he try to convince you? Probably same way I tried. Would you believe him? Judging from this debate, NO. THEY WOULD SAY THE EXACT SAME THING!

If they had a conscience, THEY WOULD NOT DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Recruit WHO? They saw opportunity, they came by their own choice, they did it. If you agree to create a mass murder... And then you admit it publicly... You are a retard. Because IT WAS NOT THE GOVERNMENT.It was criminals IN the government. They funded it by their own means, by ROBBING THE COUNTRY with legislation that wasted GOVERNMENT MONEY on their CORPORATE FRIENDS. Think - government needs to buy stuff in wars - bombs, planes, trucks, armour, etc etc. They need corporations for this. They funded 9/11 conspiracy. They invested in stocks. They got money off insurance. They made wars - caused government to waste money on their friends. Why is USA is in Iraq? Why is USA wasting so much money on it? Why is Bush pushing government-debt farther and farther? Why did Silverstein buy and insure all of WTC 10 days before 9/11? Why were put-options on airlines so abnormally high, weeks before 9/11? By Ockham's Razor, Scientific Method, and Common Sense, conspiracy is the best explanation. It explains ALL of this.

Minimus Maximus: Then the FEMA report WOULD HAVE SAID THAT. Sure... machines, ships, tubes, pipes, coils... NOT IN INERT STEEL COLUMNS. How did WTC7 collapse? It wasn't hit by planes.http://commieware.myftp.org/pfm/wtc-7-small.gif KrustyKidd: Very credible people: It's very rare that someone from the government itself voices conspiracy theories... how much more obvious does it have to be? Paid by WHO? They made this decision THEMSELVES. If they go public and admit it:- they are criminals for being involved (automatic death sentence) - they cross the paths people who have already murdered thousands

Cash? Power? Support? Fame? All the things that come with it? Everybody had their own reasons.July 24, 2001 - Larry A. Silverstein, who already owned WTC7, signed a $3.2-billion 99-year lease on the entire WTC complex - 6 weeks before 9/11. Included in the lease was a $3.5-billion insurance policy specifically covering acts of terrorism. Sept 6, 2001 - 3150 put-options are put on United Airlines stock. (Put-option is a bet that a stock will fall.) That day, put options were more than 4 times the daily average. Sept 7, 2001 - 27294 put-options are put on Boeing stock. That's more than 5 times the daily average. Sept 10, 2001 - 4516 put-options are put on American Airlines stock. Almost 11 times the daily average. WTC7 housed CIA, IRS, Secret Service, Dept. of Defense; and the SEC stored 3000-4000 records of active wall street investigations. No other buildings around it collapsed. Likely they were getting rid of unwanted information. Appendix C from FEMA report ( http://www.civil.columbia.edu/ce4210/FEMA_...D/html/open.htm ): TRANSLATION: Severe high temperature corrosion attack = EXPLOSION Iron Oxide + Sulfur = EXPLOSIVES Grain boundary penetration of sulfur = BOOM! Very unusual event = COVERUP No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur = BOMB

And how do you explain this: - pools of molten steel found at the base of the collapsed twin towers and WTC7 weeks after - seismometers recorded huge bursts of energy, caused unexplained seismic "spikes" at the beginning of each collapse There must've been explosives in the basements.

And they gave it to the Northern Alliance... You realize that those are druglords?THEY HANDED THE COUNTRY OVER TO DRUG DEALERS! Opium production in Afghanistan grew 400% since 2001. Al-Qaeda were the good guys in Afghanistan. Anyhell, I did some more research. How they planted the bombs: Ben Fountain (financial analyst working at WTC) said: - weeks before 9/11 there were unannounced and strange drills - sections of Twin Towers and WTC7 were evacuated for 'security reasons' Scott Forbes (worked at Fiduciary Trust in South Tower) said: - his company was given 3 notice that 48th floor and up would have power-off - reason given was cabling upgrade to increase WTC's computer bandwidth - a power-off had never happend prior to this - because of power-off, the security cameras, ID systems, and elevators were inoperable - there were "plenty" of engineers going in and out of the WTC - they had free access throughout the building due to security being off Daria Coard (guard at Tower One) said: - security was working 12-hour shifts during previous 2 weeks because of numerous phone threats. - on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed All this was authorized by Marvin Bush (Dubya's brother). He owned Securacom, which provided security for WTC.

...you're a fucking PSYCHO! If you would allow an architect to make a building with that attitude, or an investigator to research the death of thousands of people, there has to be something mentally wrong with you. Doesn't matter how much fuel there is, it still burns at the same temperature. It's unlikely, if not impossible, that ANY hydrocarbon there could burn hot enough to cause collapse. Then why do the holes go through 9 feet?You saw when the planes hit WTC. The plane didn't fly out the other side. How would it go through Pentagon's STEEL-REINFORCED CONCRETE? I would imagine disintigrated after going through that reinforced concrete. Then how would it make such long holes?By Ockham's Razor, Laws of Physics, and Common Sense, it must be a missile. Read more carefully then!Some say there were markins and windows, other's say there weren't. Some say it was a giant jet, others a small commuter plane, and others a missile. Some say it banked left, others say it banked right. Some say it dragged its wing through the ground (even though there was no trace on the lawn). Some say it was 50 to 75 feet, others 25 (cars should've been blown away). It's just so ridiculous. Look - here's the OFFICIAL STORY + SOME LOOPHOLES: Terrorists from Saudi Arabia trained by Osama hijack planes. One plane crashes into the Pentagon, dissappearing completely, making a tiny hole. For no reason, FBI then confiscate all 4 known tapes of the Pentagon crash. Another plane crashes in the middle of nowhere, leaving no remains. 9:59 AM - South Tower collapses to the ground in aproximatly 10 seconds. 10:28 AM - North Tower collapses to the ground in approximatly 10 seconds. Later, at 5:30 PM - World Trade centre 7 suddenly collapses for no reason. South Tower was hit last and only by its corner but collapsed FIRST, while North Tower was hit first and directly at centre but collapsed SECOND. 7 of 8 blackboxes (made of stainless steel and high-temp-insulated silica) are destroyed, BUT one of the terrorist's passports (made of paper) somehow flew out of his pocket, out of the burning inferno, on to the streets below, where it was found somehow by FBI amidst all the panic. Steel leftovers are then rushed out of the country and to the smelters (FEMA got only a little time). Then US Army invades Afghanistan to hunt for Osama, but gets nowhere. Then US Army invades Iraq to prevent a WMD attack (even though the invasion gives them all the reason to use the WMD's). The WMD's are then never found (supposedly suicidal terrorists would rather die in battle and give Bush look stupid than to use WMD's to defend themselves), and everyone forgets about Osama. Just imagine the conversation they had in Iraq: SADDAM: "Shit shit! The Americans are coming!" SOME GUY: "Should we use the WMD's to defend ourselves?" SADDAM: "No, smuggle the WMD's over the border so we have no way of using them." SOME GUY: "AYE AYE!" SADDAM: "Buahahah... Bush will look like an idiot for coming here. Stupid infidels!" SOME GUY: "Allah akbhar! Allah akbhar! Allah akbhar!" How stupid can a person be?

Then:- WTC7 should've collapsed in sections - should've been support by 76 other steel beams - it would not have collapsed in free-fall (first 100 meters in 4.5 seconds) - they would be the first steel buildings to collapse by fire in history And how do you explain this: - the steel beams were fireproof insulated And the Pentagon crash... - where are the remains of engines and wings? - why is the hole so small? http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentcrash.jpg - how did the light-weight carbon nose go through 9 feet of steel-reinforced concrete? http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/fli...aerial_traj.jpg http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/fli...de/punchout.jpg - where is the nose that made this hole? http://commieware.myftp.org/pfm/penthole.JPG - why do satellite photos 4 days before 9/11 show white markings on the lawn of the crash trajectory? BEFORE: http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/9-11/P...agon_9_7_01.jpg AFTER: http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/9-11/P...gon_9_12_01.jpg - why was the Pentagon hit in the only section renovated to withstand that kind of attack? "It was the only area of the Pentagon [that] had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The area also had blast-resistant windows--2 inches thick and 2500 pounds each--that stayed intact during the crash and fire." ~ The Los Angeles Times - why were all 4 known tapes of the Pentagon crash confiscated by FBI? From Sheraton National Hotel, from a Parking Lot, from CITGO, and from the Department of Transportation. - why is "eyewitness testimony" so inconsistent about the Pentagon crash? "...I saw this plane, this jet, American Airlines jet coming..." "...I saw what looked up to a maybe a 20-passenger commuter corporate jet, no markings on the side..." "an American Airways 757" ~ Tim Timmerman "We heard what sounded like a missile" ~ Tom Seibert "A 757 airplane 50 feet over Interstate 395" ~ Jim Sutherland "I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane" ~ Lon Rains "It looked like a 737" ~ Terry Morin "It sounded like a missle" ~ Michael DiPaula "You could almost see the people in the windows" ~ Steven Eiden "...the plane ... banked slightly to the left, drug its wing, along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon" ~ Steve Anderson "...came from behind us and banked to the right" ~ Gary Bauer "The jet roared over my head, clearing my car by about 25 feet" ~ Vin Narayanan "The plane passed perhaps 50 to 75 feet above the roof my car at great speed" ~ Mary Ann Owens

Then the buildings closest to the Twin Tower collapse, with the largest firings, and weakest structure should've collapsed first:- WTC5 and WTC6 were much closer to the Twin Towers - WTC5 and WTC6 had raging fires - they had much thinner steel beams - but they did not collapse despite all this - instead, WTC7 collapsed 7 hours after the Twin Towers WTC COMPLEX LAYOUT: http://www.prisonplanet.com/pp190104wtc.jpg

To Black Dog: Kevin Ryan (from Underwriters Laboratories, the company that certified the steel components used in WTC) sent a letter to Frank Gale at the National Institute of Standards and Technology.He argued that the components used met all standards for resistance against a fire: "We know that the components were certified to ASTM E119. Time-Temperature Curves from this standard required samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000*F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures reaching nearly 3000*F." Days from writing this letter, Kevin Ryan was fired from his position. And I'll mention this again because it doesn't seem like anybody took it seriously: - no plane hit WTC7 (building 7 in the picture below) - its fire was too small - nothing there could've reached temperatures to melt steel - its steel was fireproof insulated - it collapsed by freefall (first 100 meters in 4.5 seconds) - it collapsed suddenly and totally (instead of portions breaking) - WTC5 and WTC6 had raging fires but did not collapse despite much thinner steel beams - no steel building ever collapsed from fire (except WTC's) - FEMA was forbidden to mention demolition in their explanation (they were verboten) - FEMA admitted that official explanation "only a low probability of occurrence." - FEMA said the examined steel had rapid "sulfidation" and "oxidation"; (sulfur is used in explosives and burning it produces sulfur-dioxide) CLIP OF WTC7 FREE-FALL: http://commieware.myftp.org/pfm/wtc-7-small.gif WTC COMPLEX LAYOUT: http://www.prisonplanet.com/pp190104wtc.jpg What about these very credible people: - Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'Inside Job' http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6470 http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...02755-6408r.htm - Former Asst. Sec. Of Treasury Under Reagan Doubts Official 9/11 Story http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=99739 - Former MI5 Agent Says 9/11 An Inside Job Attack Was 'Coup de'tat,' Buildings Were Demolished By Controlled Demolitions http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/...05insidejob.htm One of them was from BUSH'S OWN TEAM! It's rare that someone from the government itself voices a conspiracy theory... how much more obvious does it have to be? AND don't forget, the government already admitted to planning to hijack fake planes in the 60's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods And Charlie Sheen... To Michael Hardner: Holy crap... if you so blindly believe everything they say, then there's really no point in me trying.

http://www.mediavillage.net/test/print.php?sid=823 ------> http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/m...urgy/index.html ------> The FEMA report can now be found at http://www.civil.columbia.edu/ce4210/FEMA_...D/html/open.htm Well... what can be said? They really fucked it up. There's no wreckage. None. It was rushed out of the country and off to the smelters (FEMA only got a little time to examine it).Here's some more to chew on. A few problems with the official explanation for WTC7: - no plane hit WTC7 (building 7 in the picture below) - nothing there could've reached temperatures to melt steel - its steel was fireproof insulated - it collapsed by freefall (first 100 meters in 4.5 seconds) - it collapsed suddenly and totally (instead of portions breaking) - WTC5 and WTC6 had raging fires but did not collapse despite much thinner steel beams - no steel building ever collapsed from fire (except WTC's) ANIMATION: http://commieware.myftp.org/pfm/wtc-7-small.gif IMAGE: http://www.prisonplanet.com/pp190104wtc.jpg So, by Ockham's Razor, by Laws of Physics, and by Common Sense, fire couldn't be the cause. Better explanation is that a controlled demolition created an implosion in the lower floors, collapsing the entire building.

Okay, but do you trust FEMA? - FEMA was forbidden to mention demolition in their explanation (they were verboten) - FEMA admitted that official explanation "only a low probability of occurrence." - FEMA said the examined steel columns had rapid "sulfidation" and "oxidation"; (sulfur is used in explosives and burning it produces sulfur-dioxide)

You didn't get me. I'm saying it's a CONSPIRACY. The official story about 9/11 is a lie. 9/11 was orchestrated by powerful people in USA. Watch this video if you want to learn more: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...4991194&pl=true

Here's a very simple argument that shows 9/11 was a coverup: First, look at the times: 9:59 AM - South Tower collapses. 10:28 AM - North Tower collapses. 5:30 PM - WTC7 collapses. Now try to find the cause for WTC7's collapse: No planes crashed into WTC7. WTC7 collapsed 7 hours after the towers. So a plane could not be the cause. WTC7 had beams and columns of steel. Steel loses integrity at > 1000*C. Aviation fuel burns at < 500*C. So a fire could not be the cause. Conclusions: Cause was not fire, and not a plane. That means WTC7 collapsed by other means. That's enough evidence to: 1.) Disprove the official theory 2.) Justify a new investigation