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No one ever completely grows up. I wonder if a Russian or German or Jew or Chinaman ever used that line. You need to watch the videos and see what congressmen think of it. Many small newspapers have been bought up by corps. They are not the same anymore. Look up Tex Marrs - he is a scholar and has an impressive CV but has been discredited for exposing all of this. The NAZI's did the same thing to people exposing their plans.

The free press is all over it. Jack Blood, Meria Heller, Alex Jones, + many others. Photos of trains with shackles for feet and hands with benches really say it all. 320,000 hits on google. Do you believe Congressman Ron Paul or Oliver North ? What about gov documents ? Look up Rex 84 and Operation Night Train 84. Its also been in mainstream newspapers. Did you watch those videos ? They show well known officials talking about them.

see Oliver North / Questions

Go watch TV Riverwind. This kind of stuff never happens (except in China, Rissia, Germany, Africa, ..etc) but our politicians would never do that to us because we are democratic and free (except for HR 6166 - but don't worry about that either - its just another conspiracy theory).

No, we have 800 of them on this continent, FEMO is building more. Google FEMA concentration camps. I've seen videos on YouTube of the entire layouts. Now no one can get near them without being arrested so there are no more movies. They are all linked by rail and contain execution systems. We have an oligarchy that worships Mao and Joe & a type C/D population - as opposed to the young wippersnappers of China with a type A population. I first learned of this plan about 15 yeaqrs ago from someone that turned down a Rhodes scholarship. Rhodes scholars are all about the New World Order. See 20,000 or so hits on this on google.

I agree. Most of us will be executed in the FEMA death camps that have been secretly built over the past 20 years. Look up "Operation Night Train" - a US gov doc that shows how they will pick members of the military to come and wake you up in the middle of the night and drag you away by train. Also see Rex 84.

Any link for that bank Jerry ? I'm no economic scholar or monetary scholar so I have been looking around for the best sources of info to wake people up about this. One is a 63 page (large type) book called Fantopia by James Gibb Stuart. Anyone can read and understand this book. Another is a DVD called "Money As Debt". Its a 47 minute cartoon. These will make great gifts this season and some intesting conversation as well. The holidays are a good time to spread the word.

Interesting. If people don't wake up and start changing we will have the "big one" that will make Stalinist Russia, NAZI Germany and Mao's China seem like a nice walk on a cool summers day. We will be knocked back to the 14th centrury. Americans do it bigger and better than everyone else. Mao & Stalin are heros to the folks at the CFR and the CFR is the government in the USA. Clinton, on his first day of work as president wore a Mao button on his suit. These people are all communists.

There is a GREAT article about this in todays Star. It explains how business and government is working togather in the same way it began to in NAZI Germany in the 30's. Many aspects of business today closely resemble the practises of NAZI Germany. This is a full page article and is a must read for anyone who wished to put the developments of today into Historical Perspective. The article is called Power To The People and is in the ideas section. I'll start buying the Star every day from here on in instead of the Globe because they are the only ones willing to help us understand what is going on. Maybe not all of mainstream media is corrupted after all..

Exactly.. But they don't teach the real truth behind our civilization in the schools or on TV. You have to dig and read. The establishment will go out of its way to tell you about global warming (which is more banker propoganda) but they will never ever tell you how money is created.

Rothschild owned the English Empire the day after the English won the Battle of Waterloo. He had his fast cutters cross the channel and he was the first to know the outcome of the battle. Nathan Rothschild recognised the value of intelligence. When he learned of the English winning the war he went to the stock exchange and began selling off his English bonds. His competitors saw this and knew Nathan knew world events before anyone else and they began to sell their bonds off thinking the English had lost. Nathan Rothschild then bought them all up for pennies on the dollar through his agents. By the end of that day he owned 95% of the English bonds. Both the legal system and central banking was brought over here by the English. The formation the the USA was to escape these two oppressive institutions.

The world hasn't changed much. Propoganda has gotten more sophisticated and weapons are more powerful but men are the same as they were 2000 years ago. Give them an inch and they will take a mile if you let them. Civilization today has the same problems as it did 2000 years ago - money changers. Every leader thats even been assasinated has spoken against the money changers. This is Jesus Christ, Caesar, Kennedy, the list goes on. Many third world leaders have been assasinated because of this. De Gaulle had 200 attempted assasinations. Of course the history books show other reasons but the money changers control what gets into history. Jesus Christ said " Chase the money changers from the temple" - same as Kennedy.

If the country isn't run by those who print money for nothing, how do you suppose that they are allowed to print money for nothing ? Would anyone sane vote for this ? Would a leader of a country that represents the people stand for this ? - no way. The only way they could get away with this is if they were running things. We will not last long. We have been here for 200 years or so and as you have seen by the destruction of the constitution that another civilization is being born here. Cameras everywhere and you will work a lot harder for a lot less and the cameras will prevent you from doing anything about it. Indonesia is what they want here because thats what they created in Indonesia. All that bad stuff is comming here because the kings want more control and the technology of our society is such that fewer people are needed to serve the oligarchy.

In that sense you are right but suppose the banks raised the interest to a point where the payments could not be made. You would lose your house. Regulation of currency requires that it be done to regulate the economy. They regulate the economy to maximize control of it. When private wealth becomes accessive, they cause recessions and claw back that wealth through repossesions of property. Bankers own an unbelievable amount of property in the middle of the USA. US citizens cannot go to these nature reserves. Its banker territory. Some places even have restricted fly overs. The bankers are actually doing a "pinky & brain" style world takeover and they are not the first to attempt it. The fourth reich is comming into existance.

I'm not getting that technical. I don't know the difference between the two- and its not relevant. Look at the big picture here. I'm trying to explain that our society is run by those who print money for nothing. I'm trying to show that because a few people can do this and our government cannot do anything about it and the fact that if gov started printing the money instead, many aspects of society would be far better - from health care to education & the media. Governemnt is something that is owned by the bankers - we know this because of how the system is set up. The elections are just a dog & pony show. The bankers direct society through their financial powers. Rockefeller bought all the cancer clinics in the States in the 30's with his profits. They control education, medacine, as well as many other aspects of society such politicians & policy. Our society and all other Western democracies are essentially owned and operated by the bankers. We know this because our governments let them print money for nothing. The rest of us would get arrested for that. No one would willingly let them do that or vote for it. The Federal Reserve act was signed on Christmas eve 1913, when many congress people were home for Christmas. Corrupt governments sign laws into existence when those who would object are not present. Bush does a lot of this late at night in congress. Wars since the end of ww2 have been fought so that the IMF can impart the same degree of control over other societies. The war in Haiti is nothing more than an attempt to install a central bank and a corrupt government so that our private bankers can collect income tax from Haitians. We have put currupt governments in both Haiti and Afganistan for this reason. Its common knowledge that the installed governments after these wars are often war criminals. They throw out legitimate governments for the people to install brutal dictators. And people think the wars are about freedom when in reality they are about enslaving foreign populations. People need to wake up to the fact that we are one of the most controlled societies that ever existed. The Chinese want to put a TV in every home for the same reason. We are not free but we are rich because of an abundance of resources, not because we have governments "for teh people by the people". We have bankers and governments for bankers by the bankers. It doesn't matter who wins the next election in USA. Rockefeller sponsors both parties. We had a fake terror attack when Clinton was in power. There is absolute undeniable proof that Oklahoma was an inside job - they found 3 other bombs inside the building that didn't go off as shown in police &fire reports as well as local mainstream media!!! Soon we will have Internet 2 because the truth is comming out on the internet and the oligarchy doesn't like the fact that a large number of people know about the planned mass executions and have seen videos on the rail linked FEMA camps that have gas furnaces and gas systems used for aphyixiation. This has been shown by multiple independent journalists yet people are conditioned not to believe the truth. Chomsky said "tell the truth and it sounds like you are from Neptune".

Thats not true at all. They only print the money we have in cash- coins & bills. In the 70's they printed half of it. If the bank of Canada prints the money then why do we have a national debt ? Why is the biggest expenditure out of your income tax interest ? Where did you get the idea that BOC creates all of our money? All Western democracies are under the private central banks. I listed lots of references. I can't give you a math proof of this. I would like to see any single source that says BOC creates 100% of our money. I do not know who determines the interest rates. In the States people think the government has a say in it but it does not. The Federal Reserve determines interest rates and money supply independently. If the bank of Canada started printing all our money we would be labeled a rogue nation by the states and likely be taken over or bombed into the stone age. Rogue nations are nations not yet controlled by the same group of private bankers. (Robert Gaylon Ross) You can find Ross' video on Google.

The bank of Canada creates about 5 % of the money supply, the rest comes from a Federal Reserve bank in the US. Canadian banking is more confusing because of this. Most of the info on money pertains to the Federal Reserve because USA is so much bigger than we are. The point of the thread was that private banks create the currency they lend therefore banking is extremely profitable and there is a weight on our backs that shouldn't be there. The fact that we rent most of our money from private bankers rather than use government created money proves that they are in control of governments, not the other way around. Private bankers do not protect the deposits of the Fed, the taxpayers do through the FDIC. If banks lend out too much compared to the reserves, the tax payers pay the difference to bail out the bank.

No, they do not borrow their money from BoC. Period. That is dead wrong and its an assumption you make because it sounds good and comforts you and means you don't have to learn anything.

These central banks are not the banks you deal with. I don't know anything about how branches operate. If you do not wish to believe that the banks create money from nothing that is fine with me. There is plenty of information on it. No one denies this fact that I have ever heard of - certainly not economists. I talked to a world class economist personally for 45 minutes a few weeks ago to confirm that my simplifications were valid. You should stop trying to believe what comforts you and learn about the facts. This is a problem with too many people - they come up with arguements to maintain their beliefs rather than look into facts. The fact is the central banks do create money from nothing and they lend it to you at full face value. Believe it or not. I don't care. There are enough people around who recognise that truth seekers must seek the truth from sources other than mainstream sources and that the world doesn't work the way we are lead to assume. You should take a look at the tutorial on the Canadian Action Party website. Remember that this banking system is something under which your branches operate. Mortgage policy at different branches is far below this level. Many people that work at branches do not know how money comes into existence.

What gibberish ? Everything I said is absolutely true. Many people just don't realize it because the education system and mainstream media keeps this hidden from public knowledge.

Which question ? That is just plain untrue. The Canadian Action Party website has some short tutorials on banking, Bank Of Canada Tutorial / Canadian Action Party See where your income tax goes & how money is created in this 5 page tutorial. The UK also has a monetary reform party with lots of great info on money.

These are value added activities. It takes skill and chance to mine gold. It takes nothing to put numbers on paper or type them into someones account on a computer. There is no value added to account for the profit.

They are required to keep reserves of deposits of other peoples money in order to lend. Also when bankers go bankrupt its the public that fills in the needed capital in the states through FDIC. FDIC protection lowers reserve requirements making the public more responsible. Banking is complex and volumes have been written about them but these volumes carefully go around the fact that money is printed for nothing and lent out at full face value. The best sources are The Money Masters video and The Creaure From Jekyll Island book. There are many sources that all explain the same thing, those two are very good for seeing the history of banking.

I'll answer the rest of your post later. The important thing is that the banks do not get their money from the bank of canada. They just print it off. They can print a $10,000.00 bill just as easily as a five dollar bill. They create the money from nothing and then have it at full value. A charter is a license to print money. Banks don't normally operate this way except when the Rothschilds took over in the 1750's or so. Governments used to print money but battles have been fought between private bankers and governments throughout history- since Caesar and Jesus Christ. If a government wants to build a bridge for 10 million dollars, it must borrow the money. The governemnt would have Canadian people earn the money into the economy and have a bridge built by Canadian people using Canadian resources and still owe a private banker the 10 million when all the banker brought to the table was the printing of the money. For printing digits on paper he effectely owns the bridge. A system like this can only exist when bankers own governments. Wouldn't it be better if gov printed the money and allowed the gov workers to earn it into the economy through public service and capital works ? Then we have no such thing as a "national debt".

I can't believe someone is actually defending the idea of private individuals to create money from nothing and excercise almost complete control over the economy. I guess the only question to ask is how much do you pay in income tax ? What makes you think that this is better than having government create the currency ? Why couldn't the gov manage currency to the public interest rather than private banks make it for their own interests. I just don't see any advantages and I see a system that absolutely will collapse at some point. It must collapse at some point.