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When non banker wealth becomes accessive they cause a recession to roll back the wealth into their control.

Really ? Like the American Union ? What makes you think this corporate media has any obligation to you ? Questions have been asked about the FEMA camps mentioned by Oliver North in the Iran Contra Affair, many Americans are asking about these, what is mainstream media saying ? What do you consider a reliable news source ?

The UN is controlled by international bankers. Its is the source of all of our problems from cancer to unemployment / under employment to wars and the breakdown of the family. Its all by design to implement globalization on behalf of the world oligarchy. The grand plan is to knock us back to the dark ages and depopulate most of the planet.

I don't know Charles. I'm still waiting for you to explain the advantages of private bankers printing our currency for nothing and lending it to us at face value rather than having government print debt free currency that is simply earned into the economy by government employees & programs.

Anyone who doesn't think globalization is THE issue of today is living in the dark. All other issues are tertiary issues related to globalization. Globalization requires that western countries destroy their own economies. This is what is happening in the US and in Canada.

Its like calling the flouride hoax a conspiracy theory when we know now that flouride indeed was put in the water to poison us. We know this because the head of the Canadian dental association, head of DDS at U of T, and a PhD in toxicology has now apologised to us for endorsing flouride all these years. He was not aware of the process under which this was done and now is stronly warning people about flouride and says that children under 3 particularly should never ever be allowed to drink the tap water. He even apologised to his students. Articles about this keep appearing and dissapearing, so you will have to do your own research. I can't find links today about this that I could find a few days ago - they are now broken. The oligarichal establishment does not want you to know they are poisoning you. You have to stop depending on corporate media for your news. They work in the interest of their owners and advertisers. Why ius it that some people cannot grasp this ?

These are all facts. The criminal government was was put in place of Haitis popular elected government by JTF and the US marines. JTF guarded the airport while the marines went in and captured Aristide. This information has been given in a multitude of ways. Aristide himself explains it on an interview on Democracy Now. There was also a History channel documentary on it. This is always done to third world countries because the oligarchy that has you brainwashed want control of Haiti to prevent a popular government from taking control. People are not going to make running shoes and T shirts for us at slave labour rates unless they are forced to. Ex CIA people have been comming out about the truth about Afganistan since the 70's. If you look at the UN statistics or can remember the news before sept 11 (mainstream TV news) you will recall that the Taliban was burning the opium crops. Sept 11 happened giving us an excuse to go in and restore the opium trade. It also made people forget about Sept 10 2001 - Rumsfeld announced (On TV) that 2.3 trillion dollars just somehow dissapeared and cannot be traced. Sept 11th let you forget about that. Thats over 8 K of debt for every living American. Before sept 11 the opium trade was at 400 billion per year. The Taliban went in, burned the crops and cut that down by 90 % in a matter of months. We went in right after Sept 11 and a few months later the crops were back in full production, now at 600 billion per year, of which the Afgan farmers get about 1- 3 % of their value. This is also backed up by UN stats. Even Noam Chomsky writes about the CIA drug trade and them bringing drugs in on air force jets. Do you really think we would have so much drugs if governments didn't want them here? History shows that concentrations of power such as what we have now work against people. We have a concentration of financial powers now that rivals Germany in the 30's. Mao, Stalin, Hitler & others IN THIS CENTURY have all had mass extermination camps. Hitler Mao & Stalin were all run by the same international bankers that currently own both the democrats and republicans. We also have currently about 800 concentration camps equiped with asphixiation gas chambers. Germans didn't believe it in the 30's any more than you believe it now. You have to wonder when the media is owned by about 10 corporations and the Pentagon spends billions per year managing your belief system (mainstream news again). If your beliefs exactly coincide with what they want you to believe, perhaps its because you don't want your tax dollars wasted. Maybe its just cowardice - the truth is hard to face sometimes. All these other people have been fooled - but not you ! You are too smart to be fooled like this ! - you watch TV ! - much smarter than the 6 million Jews that died in ww2.

Conspiracies have existed for a longer period of time than idiots.

Conspiracies have probably existed longer than idiots and likely started when a cave man decided to club his buddies wife over the head and drag her into his cave. At that time idiots could not resist the natural forces of nature that would prohibit their survival. Some more recent conspiracies include putting Saddam Hussein in power, overthrowing Irans elected government to put the Shah in place, destroying the popular government in Haiti to put war criminals in charge, (as in Afganistan) the destruction of the US economy with its replacement of a manufactering economy to one based on service, the list is endless.

Sharkman, I don't actually need your permission to listen to what he says. What he says does make a lot of sense. The people that put him in jail are probably at least as corrupt as he is and he may have been standing up to them. As far as him saying there is a great big conspiracy goeing on, he is not alone, but many who have spoken up about it mysteriously die or get locked up on trumped charges, harassed by the FBI, etc. The same sorts of things happened in Germany in the 30's, many honest people were discredited of locked up - its nothing new.

When private bankers print money for nothing they manage money supply for their own interests. When government does it the public forces them to manage money supply in the publics interest. That is the difference.

Private banks currently print money from nothing. What would be the difference if gov did it instead ? There is a plethora of information about this - and books. The UK has a monetary reform movement as well. I am not getting the issues mixed up. Currently private bankers collect the seigniorage on our money instead of governments and that is a fact and you are the one that is mixed up. Perhaps it is you that should go to high school and take a course in logic. BTW: Printing money for nothing is the same thing as collecting seigniorage

Interview on monetary reform - explains that the view of gov printing money has been suppressed by media and publishers. Government Printing Money / James Stuart Gibb

There isn't a catch to this. The fact is that the bankers have been dictating educational policy for over 50 years and have prevented people from considering this. Bankers do this through focus groups, etc that influence legislation. There is a lot of high powered thinking that goes behind CAP policy on monetary reform. I cannot imagine how there could be an advantage to allowing private banks to collect seigniorage on our money. The fact that they do tells me they run the show. If they run the show they don't want us thinking of such things - for reasons that are too obvious to spell out here.

I've studied a few university courses in economics, known many other who have had more plus high level economists that agree with my point of view. Perhaps you should take a little of your own advice or explain to me why it must be private banks and not goverments that collect the seigniorage on our money. You could also read "Fantopia" by James Gibb Stuart. You should expand your horizons a bit before dishing out advice like that.

I thought both Harper & Bush were neoliberals and all the neocon nonsense was just main stream media spin. There is a really good video on Straussian philosophy and Osama Bin Laden is also a Straussian and he is playing this game for his reasons. He worked with the neocons in blowing up buses full of children in Kosovo to get that started. The video is called "The Power Of Nightmares" and is free on Google video. I would be interested in hearing what philosophy people have to say about this. I started becomming interested in philosophy because of this Straussian ideal that I first encountered while being extorted and threatened by a lawyer (publically - hope there are some judges reading this - I'd love to see one in court just to use my middle finger to let them know they are number one with me). It made me curious that Bush was a product of the same thing. It seems this philoposphy is being taught at universities all over and it is the root of malfeasance and corruption that we now see all over the place.

We don't need taxes to have support of government and government services. Instead of borrowing money to pay for government from private bankers who print money from nothing gov could print money and inject it into the economy by using it to pay for gov services such as police, hospitals, etc. The fact that we depend on private bankers to print money from nothing and lend it to use at face value shows that its the private central bankers that own and operate government. See: The Creature From Jekyll Island (book) Fantopia (James Gibb Stuart) - book Secrets Of The Federal Reserve (Eusatce Mullins) - book Money As Debt (video) The Money Masters (video) The Capitalist Conspiracy (video) An Afternoon With Eustace Mullins (Essay Rense Radio) The Canadian Action Party website - tutorials on banking here The fact that money is printed for nothing and lent to us at full face value by private central bankers not only shows the reason for wars and income tax, the control that the central bankers direct over society gives them control over education and medacine as well as technology & the media. Thats why few people know about this. The web is giving people info that the oligarchy doesn't want them too see which is why internet 2 will soon be born. This is one of the greatest hoaxes ever played on mankind and will continue for as long as people choose to remain ignorant wrt how a dollar comes into existance.

They are both on the same team. The election is between the Rockefeller Democrats and the Rockefeller Republicans. Thats why the election results were not contested. I don't believe anyone can seriously argue that the elections in 2000 and 2004 were both stolen by the "crazies" as Ray McGovern, Robert Bowman and even George HW Bush would know them as. GHW Bush even kept them at arms length when he was in office. They likely picked George Junior out of a gutter some place as a puppet they could easily control from behind the scenes.

This video Goals Of The Banker Foundations - Education/Monopoly explains the central banker / corporate elite agenda for the USA. Its an interview between Norman Dodd and Edward Griffin. Its dry put puts things into perspective. If you can handle this then see Robert Gaylon Ross -> search Google Video. With videos like this its certainly easy to see why the Builderbergs want to shut down a lot of the internet in favour or Internet 2.

Infowars.com has shown video of engineers testifying in front of committees that they were hired to engineer stealing the election There was a 6 point spread in the exit poles vs election results in Ohio. The source code for these machines is kept from public view to protect Diebold intellectual property. The code could be written by a high school student as a first programming project in an afternoon. I guess with Bushites, that qualifies as IP.

According to Alex Jones (www.infowars.com) the Republicans are stealing this election as well with the advance voting.

Riverwind: Thats right off of GlobalResearch.ca. That is a reference site for most people that object to what is happening. As far as not believing 911 was an inside job, I wish someone could produce some evidence that Bin Laden did it. There isn't -none. Thats why Philip Zelikow, a master of deception (see his wiki decription) was hired to do the commission report.

Here is a great site to get all the info straight about the Federal Reserve: Banking History

What if the media and the camps are owned by the same company ? Lots of people are reporting about the death camps What about the war in Haiti - why the silence ? What about the North American Union ? So many other parallels to NAZI Germany around us, why not death camps ? Everything else is happening as it did in the 30's with Germany. Examples: Concentration of Ownership of Companies Tight gov control of press Illegal Wars Governance by secret societies Torture Removal of Rights State sponsored racism

Riverwind: You will not look at government documents or listen to congressmen ? It has to be on TV before you believe it ? Is this what you mean to say ? Its been in major newspapers in Texas. I just forget their names. I think seeing and hearing congressmen talk about it and question North about it is more credible than TV. Gov documents are more credible than TV as well. There are some mainstream media clips in the videos I listed. You shoul watch 911: Road To Tyranny. That movie is full of mainstream media showing that Oklahoma had to be an inside job. That was local TV station media showing bombs removed from inside. How come it wasn't on CNN ? Whether or not you believe the 911 official story, you must admit that the 911 truth movement is huge. How much media coverage ? -given over 80 % of Americans think gov is lying and 40 % think 911 was perpetrated by gov. This is not insignificant. When Robert Bowman, Paul Craig Roberts & Morgan Reynolds and a pile of high level insiders and generals think 911 was an inside job you would think press coverage would be appropriate.