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No one has ever suggested that before ! Have you ever heard of Haliburton ? Do you know what a no bid contract is ? How much does a meal cost in Iraq when it is bought from Haliburton ? ans 28 Federal Reserve/Illuminati promisary notes. Do you remeber how Americans thought Saddam was working with Bin Laden and partly behind 911 ? Do you recall Sept 10 th - Rumsfeld announced 2.3 trillion dollars had dissapeared and cannot be traced ? 911 made you forget but thats is 8000 Federal Reserve / Illuminati promisary notes for every man woman & child in America. War is about money (Plato) FEMA camps are guarded and now people get arrested for taking pics. But you can see videos on YouTube. Thats even funnier than your first statement. Did you read my quotes in the Federal Reserve thread ? Ever heard the phrase "we bring good things to life" ? Rockefeller Democrats vs Rockefeller Republicans - Red Pill or Blue Pill ? No, two did - The mainstream media will not show you the tapes of the truck comming up to the building because two guys were in it -according to many FBI/CIA officials that have squealed- again, see 911:Road To Tyranny - lots of TV news clips in there. So what ? They are theories until proven. People can be wrong. I know some people that think Osama Bin Laden did 911 yet they have absolutely no proof. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you. Nope. I have used a set of undisputable facts in my 911 arguements + shown endless coverups on behalf of governement and used direct quotes from bankers and government officials throughout history in my Calling The Federal Reserve thread. If you still think Bin Laden did 911, you are in a minority. So if you are such a big fan of evidence, show me one piece of evidence that connects Muslim terrorists to 911. Show me one reference that explains that banking works how you say it does.

OK so you haven't read anything about politics or history either. What do you hope to contribute to these discussions ?

Did I say it did ? That video endorses a gold standard. I encourage you to learn something about the subject about which you are speaking. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and assume your own opinion to be fact. That is just foolish arrogance. I encourage you to develop intelligent arguements rather than just say "thats not the way it works".

Thats too bad. So tell me where I am wrong. Do you know what a reserve ratio is ? Have you ever in your life taken a course on economics or read a book on it ?

Do you remember all the big protests in the early 90's ? That was about globalization. I have read books on it such as Michel Chossodovosky's Globalization Of Poverty and John Perkins "Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man" plus I know of NAFTA,CAFTA, EU, etc plus other things. Think of the name G-l-o-b-a-l-i-z-a-t-i-o-n. Its BIG because the world is a big place.

Demonstrate some of your rational thinking so that we can benefit. All I hear is empty statements. Dazzle us with your awesome rationality.

So you group all non corpoarte media as the same because you have seen one or two that you didn't like. What have you seen and what didn't you like ? The Loose Change video is old and there were some things in it that later were shown not to be true. The guys that did this movie did the public a great service. Have you seen anything about the American Union on TV ? The war in Haiti ? Why do you trust TV so much ?

No, I work in software. Why don't you stop making empty insults and dazzle us with some intelligent statements ?

This is not how banks make money primarily. When you borrow $10,000 the bank becomes well over $9000.00 richer - the figure is about 299/300 * 10,000.00. That is the primary source of income. That is not including the interest. They are so profitable from this that it is about control. Your education, the TV you watch, books you read and medacine you get are all controlled by bankers such as Rockefeller. You do not live in a "democracy" - its an illusion. Banking is a science filled with smoke and mirrors and its hard to learn the actual operation of banks - impossible from mainstream sources. Here are some quotes: "It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning"-Henry Ford "You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out and by eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning"-Andrew Jackson "Should government refrain from regulation [taxation], the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent and the fraud can no longer be concealed"-John Maynard Keynes "banking was conceived in inequality and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth..If you wish to remain slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits"-Sir Josiah Stamp "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose members have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion over forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop a plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the work now is much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practised in past centuries"- David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, at the Trilteral commission in June 1991. "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets. "The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover The only reason anyone ever found out about all this is because of the internet. Hence Internet 2 is around the corner

This is how you expose yourself as a fool. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are putting forth your own opinion as fact. No one would ever say that because its not true. You even learn that in eco 101. Clearly is YOU who knows nothing about economics.

The government should collect the seigniorage on the money and regulate banking. This is to remove power from the bankers over our economy. They should earn money based on their value added to the monetary system and not get to print money for nothing. Government should tax people to control the money supply - prevent hyper inflation when necessary under a system where gov collects seigniorage on money. This is the only reason for taxes. This is how gov stabilizes the economy. Under such a system the economy fixes itself and you don't have these massive concentrations of wealth - people actually earn their money. Education & medacine go back into the hands of the people rather than being controlled by endowments sponsored by bankers.

Are you suggesting that the source is unreliable before looking at it ? Isn't that stupid ? How can clips of mainstream news showing additional bombs in the building be biased ? Your corporate news is nothing but biase - its all commentary telling you what you should think - presstitutes interviewing other presstitutes.

The Talmud has the same stuff in it directed against Gentiles - but you should ignore that. All of the oligarchy wants religious lines drawn. I do not think Jews or Muslims are responsible for any of this. I prefer actual evidence to corporate sponsored propoganda myself.

Really ? Lets hear it !! This movie is available free on Google. Read the comments about what some people say who studied economics wrt this movie. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3286459385978771924 I agree with it and i have had a few courses in economics + read a few books about it on my own. I really want to call you on this bluff. Can you be called on this ?

Yes I can show this. Its on the video 911: Road To Tyranny - lots of mainstream media footage showing what happened in Oklahoma. In fact the whole movie is pretty much a series of mainstream clips to remind you what you have forgotten. Its available for free viewing on Google. Bet you don't look.

Not only were your attempts to debate me on 911 unsucessful, but you or anyone else has never come up with a shred of evidence to suggest Bin Laden was involved. All you do is weakly criticise each individual point and forget how they add up as a whole.

I have a degree in engineering

Charles Anthony, watch http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1339460790371560078 then you will understand the macro operation of banks. Then buy Fantopia by James Gibb Stuart - its 60 odd pages/ large type and is easily read by anyone. More banking particulars are in "Money As Debt" a cartoon but very well explains current banking operations. You have to buy this video. You cannot understand anything about this world without knowing how a dollar comes into existance. Its like knowing about how to have sex without knowing how babies are made.

The Federal Reserve bank of the USA is a privately owned bank. They would use those currencies because the laws state that they must be used to pay taxes.

Reliable information always has a name associated with it. The ones I listen to show their faces and their names. The main 911 debunker site, 911Myths.com does not associate a name or face with any of their work. Their have been people try to discredit Hoffman on his 911 work but they will not put their names on their work either. There is a lot of garbage out there and you have to decipher it but a lot of the mainstream media is owned by the same corps that own the weapons makers. Will they speak against the war ? - not if they want to keep their jobs. Who is the cheif war supporter - Republicans. They will not speak against them either. War is about money and thats even in Platos Republic. Conspiracy theories are not based on paranoia, they are based on facts and past history of the perpetrators - think about Iran/Contra,Shah Of Iran, who put Saddam Hussein in power, Pol Pot ? Oklahoma Bombing, the bombing of Japan with Nukes. John F Kennedy was a big conspiracy theorist, so are many other ex high ranking members of gov. Read some of Paul Craig Roberts, Robert Bowman - see who they are on wikipedia. JFK is on YouTube talking about the secret government in a 10 minute speech. The historical norm is that kings operate against their people to enhance their power. One must always be suspicious of power, no matter who has it. The power now owns the media. You have a responsibility as a voter to know the truth, particularly whyen our gov is killing possibly innocent people. Who are the "insurgents" ? Why are they called "insurgents"? Is it believable that people from other countries would go to Iraq to fight and die ?

It is. You have to separate yourself from the talking heads and look at the evidence. Is there any evidence that Bin Laden took part in 911 ? There isn't !!! Now look at http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html Civil engineers know how to build buildings (linear/organized) that will not fall down , not what happens when they do(non linear / chaotic) . Going to a civil engineer with this problem is like going to a proctologist for a tooth ache. Stay away from the technical aspects and look at the surrounding evidence. Was there a cover up ? Has the administration been forthright with evidence ? Did they have anything to gain ? Have they ever done this before - murder thousands for political ends (Hiroshima/Nagasaki). Are they honest ? Did they use the standard people to investigate - FAA/Fire marshall. How is it that the defence was not there to stop it ?

I think the facts show that our civilization is in a severe crisis and people need to stop what they are doing when they can and learn all of this. Its not a good idea to remain asleep just because everyone else does. Imagine if the jews didn't ignore evidence of the camps in Germany instead of just ignoring the rumours. Do you think that Hitler could build these camps without generating rumours ? The internet is here now and instant dessemination of info is possible. You just have to pay attention. Its reliability ranges from 0 % to 100 % but after you become informed you can see who is most reliable and who is propogating gov propoganda or trying to discredit awareness.

The site whatreallyhappened.com is good for uncovering government coverups in terrorist attacks, frinstance after Sept 11 Bin Laden got on mainstream and said he didn't do the 911 attacks then a few weeks later they got the fake Bin Laden on to tell you he did. WhatReallyHappened.com shows you the two Bin Ladens side by side so that you can see they are two different people as easily as you can recognise your own neighbor from a co worker. They don't even look alike. People forget what they see on the TV news. The movie 911: Police State shows you all the local mainstream press coverage of the Oklahoma bombing that shows that multiple bombs found inside the Murrah building. It also shows that the gov was running a terrorist attack simulation during the event - something that always happens during false flag terrorism. The bomb squad was already there when the bombs went off - dressed in special uniforms that take 1/2 hour to suit up in. CNN would never pick that up.

You should listen to a variety of sources that do not have corporate interest to maintain to get funding. Independent news on the internet is always a good source if you listen to enough variety of it. World experts are always being interviewed. You will find that when you go to non corporate sponsored media they will all be telling you the same thing, but from different points of view. When you listen to corpoarte news you will see that there is very little actual content and most of it is music, fancy graphics and commentary. Non corporate media is endless interviews with experts. Experts that you should seek out are the ones that used to hold high level positions in government and have the necessary expertise to decipher what is happening for you as well as fill you in with actual facts. In the case of Haiti there are interviews with Aristide himself as well as reports from independent journalists. I find that The History Channel is quite good and agrees with the independents. If you read the Globe & Mail, Toronto Star or National Post you will hear nothing but lies because these are owned by the corporate bodies and often report government propoganda directly as news. The Pentagon spends over 1.5 billion dollars per year to maintain your beliefs through fake letters to the editor, etc. Look for Robert Bowman, Paul Craig Roberts + many others - these guys are interviewed on sites like www.infowars.com which many people listen to. Infowars just had an interview with the ex head of the world bank who won a Nobel prize in economics. I forget his name. Tim Rifat and Charles Smith on Rense.com have great insight on world affairs. Meria Heller (meria.net) just interviewed a doctor telling us about the medications that they will be forcing children on in the schools and the restrictions on study that are being imposed by the foundations to prevent doctors from finding cures for cancer. These non corporate news sources are based entirely on having expert guests that say what they have to say - you make up your own mind rather than just listen to some journalist tell you what to think. I've been researching this for about a year now through many sources, books and internet and I find that my views exactly coincide with those of Lyndon Larouche, although I didn't learn about him until August of this year. There are hundreds of independent sources, my favorites are www.infowars.com for daily news, rense.com for world affairs insight and meria.net for info on other stuff than globalization, but its a matter of format that you like and subjects that interest me, not the agenda of the reporters because their only agenda is to keep you informed - they are not in bed with the big pharmaceuticals, etc. You pay them for this so they are dependent on you believeing them rather than being paid by some corporation. If General Electric owns CNN then do you think CNN could be anti war ? If they were General Electric would fire them and replace the journalists. Did you know that many mainstream media journalists sit on the CFR ?

What kind of freedom are you in favour of ? - Corporate freedom, Government freedom or Individual freedom ? These are all contradictory. Do you know what happened when banks were allowed to produce their own currencies ? Governments don't print currency to pay of debts. They print currency so that we don't have debt ? Why should we have to borrow fiat currency from private bankers at face value to pay for gov services when we can print it ourselves ? How is it that 30% of your income tax that is used to pay interest on privately printed fiat currencies is benefitting you ? You really have no idea what you are talking about do you ? What books have you read about the economy ? Have you taken any courses in economics ?