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Thats why the news media just can't stop talking about it and why you see press coverage at all of Harpers meetings with the various corporations that are going to own everything. The real jobs are dissapearing and all the parasites that actually don't do any work such as politicians, CEO's & lawyers (except for those that serve us meals and coffee) will be unemployed.

Someone is likely still lauging cheering and celebrating the fact that they got Americans to accept computers for voting machines !! - without a verifiable paper trail !!. This acheivement will be celebrated all over the world among dictators for years to come. We will need them so that Harper can win the next election.

How can something like that list be debunked ? There is also st911.org which has a pile of scientists and engineers on it. Why haven't you seen any of this in the newspapers or TV ? Its not up to them to judge - only present you with facts. Why hasn't that patriot list not been on TV ?

Ok so that is one guy, one opinion. How about you pick any part of that site and I will do the following (1)explain how they are twisting facts or misreprenting a statement or idea and what the true areguemnt of 911 truthers is. I can look at any part of that site and show you how they are misleading you. Popular mechanics did a crappy job of answering the questions of the 911 truth movement and I can show you how they are screwing around with facts and lying too (by omission at least). I can do this with that as well. This corporate media has an agenda to keep you thinking along certains paths.

No but planes get blown up, presidents get assasinated and the Patriot Act was signed. Check this out: http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=Ne...le&sid=2253 MacDonalds plane was shot down by the Rusians in 1979 when it flew over some of their top secret area. McDonald did everything in his power to warn the American public. However, as usual, the attempt was to no avail. He stated unequivocally, that the Rockefeller intended to control "--first our own country, and then the world!" He went on to state. "Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, yes I do. I am convinced there is a plot, national and international." Kennedy was assasinated after signing in Executive Order 1110 and that has not been repealed. It has not been enacted. That executive order would allow the government to print its own debt free currency rather than borrow it from private bankers at face value. **************** From http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?name=Ne...le&sid=2253 On February 17, 1950, CFR member James Warburg (banker, and architect of the Federal Reserve System) stated before a Senate Foreign Relations Committee, "We shall have one world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." Again, the media remained silent. In the April 1974 issue of the CFR journal, "Foreign Affairs", page 558, Richard Gardener states that the new world order "will be built... but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assault." Larry Macdonald was "was not only a 5-term U.S. Congressman, Democrat, from Georgia's 7th district, but that he was simultaneously Chairman of the John Birch Society and President of Western Goals Foundation. What Mr. Rather also did not say--never will say--is, that Dr. McDonald (he was a Board certified physician, an M.D., with flight surgeon experience aboard Airforce 2, the Vice President's craft) had announced that he would run for the Presidency of the United States in 1988, fact confirmed by McDonald's trusted advisor and former OSS agent Hilaire duBerrier and by officials at John Birch Society's headquarters and also via associates of Dr. McDonald, through his Western Goals Foundation. by Alexander James The Hidden History of Money June 15th, 2004 " There are some things the corporate owned media does not want you to remember or think about.

You could argue that GW Bush was best. He was arrogant enough to expose the whole establishment through stupidity & arrogance. Now we know the truth about things because people have woken up. David Rockefeller and the other private bankers will not be able to run things forever. Its woken people up to monetary reform and what electronic voting machines can be made to do.

HR 6166 and the Patriot act are not being opposed. America is not a free country. You can be imprisoned indefinetly without trial and tortured.

FDR was the last one that wasn't a globalist. Kennedy wanted to print gov issue money which is why he was killed IMO so he deserves points. USA has been sold out to the globalists since Truman.

Of course E voting machines are only built to steal elections. Many engineers have testified to their role in developing code to cheat elections in congressional hearings. Personally I think many independents won and many dems won. The E voting machines manipulated the vote to only let globalists/fascists in except in a very few cases. What amtters is if the rep is a gloabalist or not, not whether they are democrat or republican. Both of those parties have been bought and paid for by the globalists.

I hope you are not talking about the USA. As a matter of fact the USA is now a totalitarian fascist regime. If you don't believe me look up HR 6166 yourself. They no longer allow anyone near these camps. How is that ? Do you think they would openly brag about it so everyone in the army knows that they plan to destroy freedom and execute citizens ?

No one is going to save you from this - not me and there is no fairy riding around on a white horse that will do it either. People just died in Germany, Russia & China when they did this but They wouldn't do it to Us would they ?

Thats actually true. You could not have put it better. The US monetary system will crash - its just a matter of when. Anyone can see the national debt cannot grow for an infinite time. Eventually the USA will owe almost all of its economic output directly to the private bankers and bond holders. Its a mathematical fact that the economy will crash at some point. That process seems to be accelerating right now. The only thing that can stop it is monetary reform.

No way. We are there to put in corrupt socialistic governments in place of governments that represent the people. In Haiti and Afganistan corrupt governments are in power representing our banks and our corporations for small payoffs - just like here but to a larger extent.

You can't debate me (and win) and thats the point. There really is some kind of government conspiracy.

Before you were using Elvis now you are using this. Why can't you stick to the topic ? Do you think that people who think 911 was an inside job are waiting for Elvis ?

I provided a link to the list with each person shown and their statements. Do you want a list of 911 Scholars too ? All you did is give a list consisting of many public relations officers whos job it is to support the government. I already have provided a link. Here it is again: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/ You should read their comments wrt the NIST report.

On infowars.com today on the free show Congressman Ron Paul talks about concentration camps and that legal and functional - they can do it all soon. Ron Paul wan in the army as a doctor, practised and has been elected multiple times as a republican congressman. Its a three hour show and it will not be a long interview but he gets people like this on all the time.

From Scian.com: "The planes did not bring those towers down; bombs did," says www.abovetopsecret.com. Wrong. In an article in the Journal of the Minerals, Metals, and Materials Society and in subsequent interviews, Thomas Eagar, an engineering professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, explains why: steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees F; 90,000 liters of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raising temperatures above 1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building." This has been shown to be incorrect. The steel tested after the fact shows that it was never heated beyond a few hundred degrees in the NIST report. Furthermore FEMA shows direct evidence of explosives in sulfidization of beams tested afterwards. How pools of metal at the tower base, etc show massively high temperatures that cannot be explained by even fires at 1,200 degrees F. Beams were cut as in demolitions. From Time: "THE FACTS: The impact of the Boeing 767s damaged support columns and steel floor trusses, causing the inward collapse of perimeter columns, which pulled floors straight down. A misquote of a demolition expert propagated the explosives theory. Seismic spikes, caused by debris hitting the ground, were recorded 10 sec. after each tower started to fall. " The first sentence here doesn't even make sense. Multiple demolitions experts have said it was a demolition and that there was absolutely no doubt . Some changed their mind a few days later. From 911Myths: "Many of the “facts” we read were distorted, or simply wrong. Quotes were routinely taken out of context. Relevant information was often ignored. And much of this could be discovered with a minimum of online research. " Absolutely correct. Many 911 sites are wrong - google has 300,000 hits for this according to other mainstream articles that you quoted. They just pick the worse examples and use them to represent the whole movement. Fact is it is still them that are wrong or using straw men - arguements that we never use and then debunking them. Thats it. If you want to argue 911 start a new thread. I just can't sit here and watch you post this nonsense.

Canadian Blue: When I can produce a list of that many Brigadier Generals, White House head economists, Senators, Congressman, Heads of CIA, Heads of FBI, & Phd level engineers that think 911 was a conspiracy perpetrated by someone other than Osama Bin Laden from a cave in Afganistan and you come back with calling me a crack pot conspiracy theorist and provide alist of people who all work for the government that say Osama did 911 then I think that proves you to be an arrogant fool. Furthermore any one of these people on your list would lose their jobs for saying the 911 story is a lie. It has cost many of the people on my list something to have their name listed there (Kevin Ryan for one). They have nothing to gain and have the highest qualifications available. You should have looked at the list.

Canadian Blue: One of the above signers of the petition said this: Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974-1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986-2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations. Congressional testimony 7/22/05: "I want to talk about the [9/11] Commission itself, about the flawed process of the Commission and finally about the conflict of interest within the Commission that is extremely important to understand the failure of the Commission." http://www.house.gov/... -His qualifications are average for this list. Others say similar things about the 911 report. None have anything to gain by speaking up about this, unlike your list where everyone has something to gain by supporting the official version - from keeping their jobs to getting gov contracts.

That may be so, but the point of this thread was about allowing private bankers to collect massive profits by creating money for nothing. Whether the bank of Canada distates interest rates is not really very relevant. The relevancy is that the private banks get to create all that money. So you don't fear the North American Union ? You don't think that whatever happens down there affects us in a strong way ? CFR stands for Council On Foreign Relations and it is chaired and was formed by David Rockefeller. Many people say it is our real government. My point was never to endorse the gold standard - there are many problems associated with this too. Again, the point of the thread was to illustrate the power private banks have over us. I dis not get any particular ideas from the Von Mises Institute video - it again just points out the power they have over us. I have read many books on banking and seen all the videos to be sure that I can confidently say what I am saying. I am not qualified to get into a debate about the particulars of monetary policy - I have only met a few people in my life who were qualified. One does not have to know exactly how a nuclear bomb operates when you know what it does. This discussion is like me telling you nukes can destroy cities and giving you evidence and you comming back and debating the particular types of bombs and their inherent design features and benefits. If Bill Gates sat on a board that controlled all computer software he would determine what you get. If Michael Jackson was the sole music artist he would determine what you hear. Cancer clinics used to be independently owned - you don't mind when one person owns everything to do with one industry ? You do, like JD Rockefeller think that (quote) "competition is a sin". If one person owned rights to all the TV stations and news outlets you would not feel threatened by this?

Canadian Blue: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...aw/1227842.html Your list was just copied from the popular mechanics site. This report if full of what is called "straw men" - first of all they do not debunk the major issues of 911 such as the collapse of wtc7 and the issues they do bring up are often both tertiary and misrepresented. This popular mechanics article is an exercise in propoganda. If you want to start a thread on that I will be happy to easily rip it apart point by point - from memory without doing any research. Hearst corp owns popular mechanics and it has strong connections to Bush admin in business and in blood relations Rather than rip your list of 100 or so people that mostly consist of low level public relations officers, technicians, newspaper men, photo desk supervisors and air craft controllers, I'll give you a list here of high level insiders from the White House ranging from colonels in the army to senators to presidential advisors. There are no "low level" people on this list. Perhaps you haven't seen it: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/ So what do you think of these people when compared to the ones on your list ? You can look at their resumes and read their statements directly. Think about the fact that non of these people had anything to gain by stepping up, many in your list would lose their jobs if they stated 911 was an inside job, they certainly would not get 911 related contracts from the government. For the three sources that support 911: 911Myths: No name associated with site. Multiple false claims about the 911 truth movement. NIST Report: Directed by Philip Zelikow, whose wiki reference shows that he primarily is an expert in maintaining public myths Popular Mechanics: Start a separate thread. I'll knock that apart piece by piece from memory and use the report itself to show that it is being intentionally misleading.

But you can tell a black man from one of middle eastern decent.

The crisis is the loss of our manufactering economy and its replacement by a service economy. The loss is the knowledge that is associated with the manufactering economy. We are becomming a nation of people who serve coffee at every corner and buy everything useful from China. Its about the most interesting thing I have ever heard on the web. LaRouche has real wisdom because he has been around for a long time.

I have posted links, direct quotes from past presidents and other thinkers on the subject. I have linked free videos. What more do you want ? A 15 minute video on the Canadian Action Party site explains the basic operation of banking - its called "Money As Debt" Thats is true - banking never really worked until the Federal Reserve took over - banks were closing all the time. I suggest that the gov just does whatever the Federal Reserve is doing now. The Fed can print money for nothing and there isn't hyper inflation, why can't we do it ? Its hard to discuss banking in Canada - its easier to talk about the USA and expect that 95% of what is true dowen there is true up here. There are many books on the Fed but not so many on BOC. Right. Reserve ratios are now about 300 to 1. Even the reserve money is OPM. The point is that they add no useful output to the economy yet make enourmous profits. The danger is not in printing money for nothing and the profits but the awesome power this gives them in directing our society. This is what scares me. These bankers sit on the CFR and are in the Builderbergs. These groups have awesome power and answer to no one. I'm not sure that I support the gold standard. Banking is very complex and I don't pretend to completely understand it, what I do understand is that the private banks have more control than anyone and they determine what we learn and the direction of medical research through foundations. Rockefeller bought all the cancer clinics in the 30's and we have no cure for it. I know from reading Perkins "Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man" how the banks take control of countries and ruin their economies and convert the people to slave labour. I can see that process happening around us with the destruction of manufactering and its replacement by a service economy. I know the banks do not answer to governments - its the other way around. My idea on banking policy is that governments should control banking and policy should be determined by intellectuals working for governments.