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We are not depriving people who are not supposed to be here of their life, their liberty, or their property. We are removing them from the country. They are here illegally.

Clearly not. You are flip-flopping... like you have done in the past in our discussions. It has everything to do in pointing out the kind of stupidity the folks pushing these attacks on MAGA are also engaged in themselves. You agree it is retarded to force women to have to compete against men though, I agree. You just don't like that I brought it up to point out the stupidity of the folks on your side of the political spectrum.

YOU supported the madness to create this problem in the first place. Guess what? Every day all across America people are incorrectly arrested, stopped, detained, investigated for crimes they did not commit, because we have a ton of laws and law enforcement to deal with them. It is nothing new that OMG *GASP* someone might be incorrectly stopped, investigated, detained, arrested. You only care about it now in as much as it is because you support this ILLEGAL immigrant madness. As to the children? Read the fine print, that was a parental decision. The parents were here illegally, they chose to take their kids with them. You can't argue this based on facts, logic, and reason... you hide from me like the coward you are, and you want to sit here trying to play on emotions instead.

So, which is it then? Do you agree with me or now you think it was not even an intelligent point? And thus, I will point out the stupidity of those doing the mocking. You claim to agree with me now... so, which is it? Do you agree with me or not on the stupidity of what folks on the left do with how they won't define woman or man in any meaningful way or that they want to force men into women sports?

Give up... what? I expect them to stop all forms of general terrorism they are engaged in as well as the notion that Isreal must be wiped from the map.

We are not putting people on trials to send them to jail. We are talking about illegal immigrants in our country wrongly.

Yes. It is why the argue dishonestly and refuse to directly answer those points when they are made calling them out for that.

Due process does not mean go to court. That is a part of due process in some cases, but we already have established law and precedent here around expedited removals. If a border patrol agent catches you in the act of illegally crossing the border or being here illegally within a certain distance of the border, they don't have to send you to jail where the ACLU can spend the next 2 years fighting for them to avoid deportation. No, they get put on a bus or plane and deported. That is the due process.

Well, that is just the sports side of things... the point was to show the same stupidity from folks on the left who refuse to define man or woman in any meaningful way so they can further the trans madness they are pushing. There is no "debate" here, this is a thread started for no other purpose than to attack and label "MAGA" with hasty generalizations and absurd baseless assertions.

Like your cowardice is on full display here while you hide from me. The "vast majority" of people impacted by this are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. That is vastly more than anything we have done. We are American citizens. They are not. Those who are being targeted are being targeted for being ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. No one is "sending" ICE to schools or churches, those artificial constraints have been lifted so they can do their jobs IF they need to. I guess you want a suspected child abuser, rapists or murderer to go free as long as they happen to be at church or a school?

No, it was not. Whatever your opinion is on the happenings of internal Ukraine politics, none of that was a war or the start of one.

Sure... the WEF has no official position on this... but they host people on their website in articles pushing it an awful lot. At some point, you can't simply say this is just some random persons opinion and not that of the WEF. They clearly have an agenda around "sustainability" and "climate change" policy and while they are not making an official position on eating bugs, they host these opinions and promote them to further those causes. Hiding behind just saying this is an opinion is disingenuous. Its like saying if you host someone on your drive way holding a sign about how much they love cats and dogs suck... at some point, you can't just say it is just some guys opinion and nothing to do with you.

Empathy? From the party that ignores Laken Riley's family. The party that refused to even stand for them? The party and people that don't care and ignore the Americans murdered, raped, killed by drunk drivers... all here illegally, even those that are criminals who were caught committing crimes, some violent, and let go by sanctuary city policies you support then they go out and harm Americans again. You don't get to talk to us about empathy around the mess you helped create and support. If illegal immigration was not allowed to go rampant under the policies you support, encourage, and condone... this would not be a massive law enforcement problem to deal with now.

Again, that is you trying to justify Russia starting a war... but at the end of the day, they started a war. This is their war of aggression. If you are going to then sit here arguing about them wanting a peace plan... they had that before they started this war. There was already peace.

My position is quite clear here. I am not suggesting anything. Russia started this war. Russia took advantage of the chaos going on with the Ukrainian government and annexed Crimea. Then they started a shadow war in the Donbas. Then they launched an all out full scale invasion of Ukraine. You keep saying they want a peace plan... they can have that anytime they want by simply stopping the war of aggression they are pushing. We don't need silly hypothetical games that do not correlate to understand this.

This thread is not the only place we have discussed these topics... Well, since you love to play this technicality game and obfuscate, and folks muddle the meaning of words like men and women... lets be more specific: What is your position on a biological man, who is trans and identifies as a woman, playing against biological women and the policies of government/organizations in "forcing" biological women to have to compete against those biological men if they want to compete?

No, that is not a start to any war. You are trying to absurdly justify Russia starting a war... but it was Russia that started the war.

The discussion we are having is not about how mad people would be.

How would that make me see things differently?

This is not based on color, which is the entire problem with your racist obsession with color. Culture and class cross color. Just because you are black doesn't mean you have some experience a white person doesn't or vice versa. Which is exactly why your position is racist drivel.

Nothing in this speech you provided shows or explains how I am wrong. This is a simple fact. Russia invaded Ukraine.

You said: "My point? I don't know if it's useful going to places where men fought." Seems like it was useful for PIK.

Well, no... I can't do much of anything right now and neither can anyone else because the search feature is not working. All you are doing is saying I can't show you... so, tell us, what is your position then?

Once again... Russia started this war. The permanent peace agreement can be had whenever they want, when they stop their invasion. What Russia is interested in is not peace, but conquest. They want Ukraine to capitulate to their demands to control them. That is not peace, it is subjugation. Yes, what you are saying is and continues to be an absurdly dumb lie. No, I don't read whatever propaganda opinions you link to. Make your own arguments or don't.

So, first you say its the truth and then go on to say Putin is having none of it... Once again, Putin started this war, Putin can stop it any time he wants to. It is not up to Ukraine. Russia is the one that is currently invading. Heard what... that the regions Russia controls after invasion have had sham referendums? So what? That is no where near the concept or notion of a free and fair election after an invading force takes over, many people have fled, were killed, or are simply under the influence of an occupying force....