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Well you don't have the balls to admit that, but you do either want them killed or, at the very least, you're ok with genocide if that's what it takes to get LGBT people back in the closet. I think if anything, you'd take the Michael Knowles approach. You support "eradicating transgenderism" while claiming that has nothing to do with genocide.

Nope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft The Nazi Party was definitely on your side. Like you, they thought LGBT people had to be killed because they were tools in the Jewish conspiracy.

Actually, I see this as a positive. Of course it's terrible that trans people are being harmed, but the fascists are overreaching. This is why they got gefickt in the midterms. It's also why I'm happy that Marjorie Greene is around. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5068192/rep-taylor-greene-aft-president-mother Stuff like this is such an overreach that it ends up helping the Left. You can't go hardcore with the fascism until after you've taken over. By openly calling for genocide, like Michael Knowles did, you're helping us. You're showing the normies that the leftists were correct. So thank you. Thank you for not being smart like the original nazis. Thank you for being the dumbest authoritarians ever. ?

I don't want to get into semantics, since that's how you deflect, but the 2004 election is the fifth election counting from now. I see you're skipping 2020 for some reason. Is that because you think Trump won? ? Anyway, deflections aside, the point is you have to go back pretty far for a Republican who won the popular vote. Well, you think anyone who isn't a fascist is a leftist. So by your definition, sure, Trudeau is on the Left. In the real world, he's a liberal.

I still can't believe how openly fascist the Right is. I knew this was coming, but I thought it would take a few more years.

Actually, it was 5 elections ago. If that was true, you wouldn't need to go back 5 elections to find an example of a Republican winning the popular vote. First of all, Trudeau is a liberal, not a leftist. I wish he was a leftist, that would be based, but he's not. Secondly, if he hasn't won the popular vote in 2 elections, then I wouldn't blame anyone for saying he can't. I would need to know more details, like if his opposition was cheating the way Republicans do here, in order to say if I agreed or not. But yeah, if he can't get majority support, then he shouldn't be leading the country. I know that makes you fashies mad, but that's democracy, son.

Thank you for demonstrating my point. If you want to be racist against Arabs, you'll just claim Arabs aren't a race while winking at the other racists. This is the strategy I'm saying that the Right uses. At least, while they're out of power. When they're in power, they don't need to use things like dog whistles. Of course, it's all semantics. Racism is about perceived differences, not real genetic differences. If someone hates the Polish or the Italians, that's racism, regardless of the DNA of anyone involved. Alright, you can stop demonstrating my point now. Another right-wing strategy. You'll do something racist, then when you get called out on it, just claim that people say everything is racist. It's the same thing with fascism. You'll argue in favor of fascism without actually using the word, but then when someone points out that what you're describing is fascist, you say "the Left" thinks anyone they disagree with is fascist. Um... ok? I don't remember making that argument, but alright.

Nope, we've been through this before. The GOP hasn't won the popular vote since Bush. And even he only won it once.

All of these companies are progressive in public but then fund right-wing parties. This is just rainbow capitalism.

I've heard this before. ? When Trump said the Squad should "go back to their countries" a bunch of people were defending him by saying it wasn't racist because Arabs and Hispanics aren't racial categories. This is a common strategy the Right uses. They'll try to redefine racism to only include genetic categories. They did this with the Muslim ban too. It's not racist! Islam is a religion, not a race! To paraphrase Jean-Paul Sartre, never believe that fascists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.

So how come those interests and behaviors have changed throughout history? It used to be considered masculine to cry. Now it's considered to be a feminine trait. Even today, gender norms are different depending on the society. The moment someone is born, they're given a name based on their sex. Then they're given colors, toys, and clothing based on their sex. None of these have anything to do with biology other than the fact that they're all tropes that we assign to people based on biology. That's how we assign gender to children. When people say things like "If it's a male we'll name him Frank, if it's a female we'll name her Fran," that's part of assigning gender to children. If you refuse to acknowledge the difference between sex and gender, there's really nothing I can say. It's like arguing with a flat-earther. All I can say is that sex and gender are two different concepts. Yes, there isn't a perfect box, gender as a whole is kind of a stupid concept. But generally speaking, people identify based on the collection of tropes they resonate with. And because labels are all about social utility, it makes the most sense to recognize people as the gender they self-identify as. I've yet to hear an argument that ignoring a person's self-identity gives us more utility.

That was Trump ever since he lost reelection.

I don't really care to debate conspiracy theories. I think if someone believes stuff like this, they're too far gone and there's no winning them over.

The right -> like Fox News and the <- the left like CNN, yes? ?

That's not being an "Enlightened Centrist" at all. In that situation, Rebound is taking the pro-trans side, even if he has the internal "squick" feeling around trans people. The "Enlightened Centrist" position would be something like saying people can be trans in private, but not on TV.

Republicans won elections in the past. Today, they can't win without the electoral college, gerrymandering, and mass voter-restriction laws. The Republicans are unpopular on all the issues, plus Trump is the leader of the party and he's anti-democracy, so they're not trying to win by popularity anymore. Just because there's higher turnout doesn't mean the new laws didn't make it harder to vote. Zoomers are very politically engaged, partly as a reaction to these new laws. Zoomers realize how closer we are to losing our democracy. No. Which, by the way, is a perfect analogy for modern politics. Leftists would boycott a pro-fascist beer because the Left is anti-fascist. Conservatives would boycott a pro-trans beer because the Right is anti-trans.

So I'm sure you're going to tell this lie a lot, but I'm not going to reply to it every single time. I'll just address it once here for the other people here who are interested. Gender is cultural. The tropes associated with gender aren't biological. Dresses being for girls/women is not biologically determined, it's purely cultural. There's no biological reason why a man can't wear a skirt. And, of course, it used to be common in America for boys to wear dresses. In some cultures, men still wear skirts. Now that being said, biology does play a role in gender, the same way biology plays a role in most cultures. A woman is someone who identifies with the tropes that society assigns to females at birth, and female is a biological category. Some of the tropes themselves are biological. However, because the vast majority of the tropes are cultural, we acknowledge gender as being cultural. Also, language and specifically labels are about utility. Acknowledging the difference between sex and gender, which is objectively real, gives us the most social utility. That's partly why gender identity is based on self-identification. Yeeeeeeah, I'm going to have to call bullshit. I'm sure you know that for a long period, religious people considered tattoos a form of self-mutilation. And yes, I know that there were also earlier periods where tattoos were accepted among religious communities, but that's the point. Views and attitudes change. Tattoos and trannies both had periods where they were accepted, then periods where they weren't. I agree, nobody should ever get surgery. Breast reduction surgery? Get outta here with that woke shit. I mean... yeah, a person literally could. Like, a person could literally say they're a street lamp. You won't explode the moment you begin making that claim. But words are defined by society. Society sees a street lamp as being an object, not a culture that anyone can identify as. Maybe someday the definition will change, but that's not how it is now. On the other hand, cultural labels generally go by self-identification. You're never right. So what I actually said was that the fascists were already talking about banning cross-dressing. When I proved I was right, like I always am, you pretended I said that cross-dressing actually was banned. I do think in some states it's going to be banned soon. But right now, the Right is in the discussion phase. I agree that some book bans are ok. Porn shouldn't be allowed in school or public libraries. But that's not what we're talking about here. The book bans that Republicans are doing is just anything they don't like.

Some fascists in American politics are already doing anti-catholic dog whistles. Plus, the specific form of fascism in the GOP is Evangelic Nationalism. So while the Republicans need Catholic voters right now, if they succeed in ending democracy, it will only be a matter of time.

That's how the media presents it. The truth is, there are no mainstream left-wing parties in America or Canada. Remember, leftists are against capitalism. Canada's Liberal Party is more open to left-wing ideas, like raising the minimum wage, but they're not anti-capitalism. Look at it like this. For most of history, we had feudalism. Feudalism built tons of kingdoms and empires. But eventually we switched to mercantilism, which improved living conditions. Then we switched to capitalism, which also improved things. There's no reason we can't continue improving society by switching to socialism. Yeah, it will be a big change, but we've made big changes before that were for the better. Liberals aren't anti-military, they're anti-imperialism, at least for the most part. But it's true, America's government doesn't really represent the people, which is one of the things Americans always complain about. Most of the people in charge are to the Right of the average American. That's why the Republicans gerrymander, refuse to end the electoral college, and enact voter-restriction laws. Basically, conservatives are cheating to stay in power. Marxists think socialism is on the road to communism. They think that if we achieve socialism, then the government will wither away and we'll have an anarchic society where everyone shares everything. Personally, I think that's insane. I don't think the government would ever just die off on its own, plus I don't think anarchy is possible. If we had anarchy like the communists want, we'd just end up with feudalism again. Local warlords with the most power would be making the laws, stealing resources, and there'd be no democratic way to stop them. So yeah, I'm a socialist, but I don't want communism. I just want the government and the workplace to be as democratic as possible. No, the vast majority of Americans don't even know what socialism is. We're nowhere close to making the switch. Although, a lot of zoomers are socialists, so that's a good sign. However, most Americans do want the kind of social democracy that they have in the Nordic countries and the German Sprachraum. That form of capitalism would be much better than what we have now.

Nope. I always said that sex and gender are two different things. One is entirely about biology, the other is mostly about culture. Ah yes, the Matt Walsh defense. Matt Walsh claims that science says sex is a binary. When people point out that biologists actually say sex is bimodal, he just claims they're all full of shit. Fascists can't admit the real reasons they're transphobic, so they have to dress it up as science. But they don't really care about science, which is why they're willing to ignore science the second it becomes inconvenient. Getting a tattoo is no different than putting on make-up? There are plenty of people who would disagree with you there. For a long time, tattoos actually were seen as mutilating the body. But as time moved on, people have become more tolerant. Same thing with trans modifications. No, I said it goes by self-identity. If a person identifies as a woman, than they're a woman. Generally speaking, that woman will embrace tropes that society assigns to females at birth. But that's not what defines them as a woman, what defines them is the identity. Likewise, goths will generally dress in black, but that alone isn't what defines someone as goth. The difference there is that a street lamp isn't identified by self-identification. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/06/1161452175/anti-drag-show-bill-tennessee-trans-rights-minor-care-anti-lgbtq-laws Also, the government banning books from schools and public libraries is absolutely a book ban. But you're still unable to admit that you're a fascist. All cultures involve biology to a degree. You're only nitpicking on this because you lost on every point.

But we do set up as many voting stations as possible and spread them out in order to make voting easier. If the Republicans were still democratic, they would be trying to make more voting stations, not less. I don't know about Canada, but in America we generally go by region to make it as easy as possible for everyone. I'm guessing, because you watch fascist media, you probably think we only have voting stations in colleges campuses and bisexual pronoun factories. Do you actually know what "harvesting" votes means? You know that's not cheating, right? And both parties do this, it's not a Democrat thing. And they're doing that by making it harder to vote if you're young, poor, or black. Fantastic. How come you can't admit that you're fascist? Is it because you don't like nazis? You can just accept you're a fascist without being a nazi. Most Republicans are fascists, not nazis.

States don't vote, people do. Real democracy is one person = one vote. The real reason for the electoral college is that it makes it easier for conservatives to steal elections. Even with all of their voter-restriction laws, they can't win the popular vote, but they can win the elections by stopping people in purple states from voting.

First of all, I'm not a communist. Secondly, China has the politics that you want. It's an authoritarian country. Thirdly, the most successful countries in the world are also the closest to socialism. Finally, cry harder.

That's cool, but we're talking about the modern era. The last time the Democrats won the popular vote was 2020. Before that, it was 2016. The last time the Republicans won the popular vote was 2004. And the trend is likely to continue, as long as we can keep the Republicans from ending democracy.

My buddy, my guy, my friend. How many cases of racism can you name that were about genetics? By your logic, the holocaust wasn't about racism because Slavs and Ashkenazi Jews are genetically similar to Germans. Racism is about perceived differences. Even things like American slavery were based on skin color, not genetics. Americans didn't do DNA tests on black people to make sure they were genetically different enough to be enslaved, they just decided that skin color was enough to make them a different race. The natives of Africa are more genetically different to the natives of Australia than they are to the natives of any other continent. But because both groups are dark-skinned, they'd just be considered part of the "black race" in America. Not really. A lot of Muslims see all Jews as agents of Israel. The hatred is based on things like territorial disputes, but is then justified and reinforced with Islam. Much like during many of the European wars, Catholicism and Protestantism were both used to justify war crimes against the enemy. And even with the hatred being partly religiously motivated, the hatred is against ethnic Jews as people. So it's still racism. So look, I'm going to break some news to you, which I suspect you already know. Right-wing media is lying to you. Try to do some actual reading about things like CRT. You'll find that it actually says races are arbitrary. White people as a people can't be slavers because there are no "white people." There are only individuals that the bourgeoisie groups into races to divide and conquer the workers. That's not to say I agree with everything about CRT, plenty of good sociologists still get things wrong. But this cartoonish myth that CRT says all white people are racist, all black people are victims, that's just a lie. Also, try to watch some actual leftist media. Step out of your safe space, you might like it. So basically, much of what you want to do. The LGBT people are unclean, the "woke" books have to be banned, and media should be controlled by the state. Pretty much what Ron DeSantis is doing in Florida, what Viktor Orbán is doing in Hungary, and what Giorgia Meloni wants to do in Italy. What separates fascism from other forms of authoritarianism is that fascism is reactionary authoritarianism. Fascists justify their policies by claiming that the family is under attack, masculinity is under attack, the local religion is under attacks, it's all about how "traditional values" are being destroyed and we must fight back in this spiritual struggle between good and evil. That's why the "enemies" are usually sexual, gender-based, or religious minorities. The insane transphobia mixed with the book bans is an example of fascism. We need to have mass government censorship because trans people are a threat to tradition, the family, and our children. Textbook fascism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft Yes, I know you're racist, you don't need to remind us. Yes. That's definitely the same thing. Women not being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia is the same as having temporary restrictions for everyone during a global pandemic. Just admit you're a fascist. We can debate fascism vs democracy, you might make some good points. Yes. Another solid point. The government putting someone to death for blasphemy is absolutely the same as people choosing to boycott a celebrity they don't like. Seriously, admit you're a fascist, it will feel good.