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Do you have any evidence that schools are injecting morality into history classes? I think that's always going to happen to a degree, since the way we teach history will always be a reflection of our culture, but do you have any examples of it going to far? Who is calling Lincoln a colonizer?

Was the Tea Party a domestic terrorism movement? There were a few cases of violence there too.

Stop being an NPC for the Right.

? This is where we're at, folks. The Right is so desperate to paint the Left a certain way, that when they're confronted with the truth, they'll just lie even when it doesn't make sense. You claimed that I said guns are bad. I pointed out that I actually said I like guns, which proves you were wrong. So you just have to say I'm lying. So when I argued in favor of guns, I'm secretly against guns, which is thereby an argument against guns because, I don't know, potatoes.

Do you have any evidence that Antifa is an organization as opposed to a movement? Any evidence at all?

What topics have I been unwilling to discuss? WTF? I said I like guns. Ah, so you're just lying again. Alright, carry on.

You're only saying that because I said that you help me by defending right-wing takes so badly. You really do the "I know you are but what am I?" thing a lot.

By saying that I'm against rioting?

I'm sure there are teachers whose style I wouldn't like, but when Republicans talk about banning CRT, they're not talking about specific things that should be taught differently. Like Rufo blatantly admitted, CRT has been redefined as a propaganda term. Republicans invoke CRT when ANY instance of race is mentioned in school. And they blatantly lie about what CRT really means. If a politician was saying, maybe we should teach about instances of slavery outside of America so kids see how slavery isn't just a white American thing, alright, that's a fair point. But they're not doing that. They're just lying about what's being taught in schools as a distraction. But it seems like by "activism" you just mean teaching history that may result in students growing up to be activists. I have no idea how one would teach history or sociology in a way that doesn't lead to at least some kids becoming activists. Well it's really only taught in some sociology classes in college. Republicans are lying when they say it's being taught in grade school. But is that actually being taught in schools? There are people like that in America too, but they're on the fringe. I went to school in a very left-leaning city and none of the teachers said things like that. Capitalism requires an under-class to function. To be fair, there are liberal capitalists who support welfare programs to level the playing field. That's why the Nordic countries have such high living standards. But even those countries can't completely eliminate poverty as long as they're capitalist. But we don't just want them to make money, right? We want them to care about society and improve life for the next generation.

So I know the Republicans use the term "open borders" the second we get a Democrat president, but the term actually refers to a system where anyone who asks to be let in is let in. We don't have that system. The majority of immigrants are still being turned away. Also, the amount of immigrants that America accepts has consistently increased regardless of who the president is. If you're looking for a party who is going to keep out brown people, sorry, but neither party wants that.

You said: Teaching kids overt and covert racism, often results in the child feeling that unless they fight racism on a daily basis, vs treat everyone with respect, you're conflating activism with education. Activism doesn't belong in school. So what is your argument here? Should we teach slavery but ignore the racism? But wouldn't that still make kids want to fight against worker exploitation? That would be activism too. Wouldn't it be better to just stop with this safe space nonsense and teach history as it is? That's literally how it's taught now. Maybe teachers should go into detail about the black slave-owners, native American slave-owners, and slavery outside of America, just to show how common it once was. But what you're describing is pretty much already how slavery is taught. But according to the Right, this is CRT and must be banned. Well yeah, we don't need to go super into detail in grade school. Maybe in high school, they can talk about things like rape. But you're saying we shouldn't teach about racism because it might make kids want to fight against racism. So you're saying teach them to be good human beings, but don't teach anything that might make them want to actually cause good in the world. Well I don't believe in systemic racism either. I think liberal politicians just use racism to deflect from the real problem, which is capitalism. But the point is that the core of CRT is a racial version of the core of Critical Theory, which is that systems can be oppressive without actually being law. When Republicans say that CRT says all white people are racist, America will always be racist, they're just lying. And Rufo admitted this. But by "activists," what do you mean? If a child is saying or doing something that might get them abused at home, teachers generally don't tell the parents, at least not right away. They'll have meetings and discuss what the safest option is. It's not just with gay or trans stuff, it's like this with anything that they feel might cause problems.

Personally, I don't think the shooting was motivated by racism. However, because it can't be proven either way, it's essentially just an opinion. And an opinion is different than making up stories or making takes that you don't actually believe in, like Fox does. When Fox said that Joe Biden is banning hamburgers, that wasn't an opinion they had based on a real story, that was just a lie. And this is the big difference between right-wing media and centrist media. Right-wing media will outright lie, they'll report on conspiracy theories that they know aren't true. Whereas centrist media like CNN and MSNBC will just choose what to report on in a way that promotes liberal capitalism. How exactly did they fan the flames? By reporting on the story? Maybe there wouldn't have been riots if CNN journalists didn't assume this was racially motivated, but I think it's not really fair to blame them for that opinion. It's not like they were calling for people to riot.

Name some fake news stories that CNN or MSNBC ran.

So you're saying we shouldn't teach kids that slavery happened? By this logic, we shouldn't teach kids about anything bad that ever happened. We can't teach kids about the Rwandan Genocide because then they'll want to fight genocide and that's activism. We can't teach kids about poverty because then they'll want to fight poverty. Aside from the fact that kids should want to build a better world, what you're saying is basically that we just shouldn't teach history. That's not what CRT says. The idea of CRT and Critical Theory in general is that systemic discrimination can exist in a way that isn't literal law. So for example, the law doesn't say police must target poor people. But because of the private prison industry, police are forced to make arrests for minor infractions. However, those infractions don't always hold up in court if the suspect has a good lawyer. So police target poor people, who are not only more likely to do crime because of material conditions, but also can't afford good lawyers. Because of the system, poor people end up getting targeted. It's systemic classism without the law actually saying cops must be classist. Kids can't get HRT without permission from their parents and doctors. The policy you're referring to regarding teachers and parents is about if teachers should tell parents if they see signs of homosexuality or gender dysphoria in a student whose parents are homophobic or transphobic. Usually when this comes up, the staff will have a meeting and decide what to do, then they might have a meeting with the parents. If they honestly believe that letting the parents know their kids, for examples, has a crush on a kid of the same gender, will result in violence at home, I don't blame them for keeping it a secret.

Now you're just being bad faith. Detecting fake news and not understanding the political spectrum are two different issues. Plus, the site is probably just going by mainstream politics. Stop just trying to "win" the debate and be real. The site is accurate at detecting objectively wrong lies, but when it comes to the political spectrum, they're only acknowledging the mainstream. It's that simple. This is what I meant by it's not true just because it's on the internet. If it's extremely obvious that an accurate source is wrong about one thing, you can use your brain just a bit.

The article you linked is from a site that prints fake news. So the article is probably bullshit.

"Woke ideas," eh?

Yeah, I thought it was kinda obvious. The site is defining CNN by mainstream politics, which is wrong on their part, and that should be like ultra-duh obvious. But the site can still be used for telling if a source prints fake news. I guess I should have been more clear. What I was saying about something not being true because it's on the internet is, use common sense. The site is good in recognizing stories that are objectively wrong, but if their assessment of CNN is that it's left-wing, use your common sense and understand that they're going by mainstream politics.

He's doing what literally every conservative here does. When I asked for an example of a conservative here who isn't batshit insane, you named CdnFox, who's even more of a lunatic. Oh no, the problem isn't the bias. All journalists have a bias. The reason I posted that link is because it shows that Town Hall prints fake news. CNN is biased in what it chooses to cover and how often it will run a story. When Bernie Sanders was on CNN, he pointed out that mainstream media very rarely talks about income inequality. CNN is owned by capitalists, so of course their bias is towards capitalism in what it chooses to talk about. However, CNN doesn't report fake news like Fox and Newsmax do. So CNN is still a reliable sources. And this is something that Enlightened Centrism has to ignore. You want to say Fox and CNN are two sides of the same coin, which is bad because that ignores the fact that only one of those stations runs fake news and outright lies. First of all, notice that it says CNN is mostly factual. Secondly, the site is objectively wrong in saying that CNN is left-wing considering that it completely ignores left-wing politicians and activists. However, they're probably defining CNN as left-wing within the context of mainstream politics, which is fair. There is no left-wing mainstream media, so the closest thing we have is CNN and MSNBC. I'm pretty sure that's what I said that in regards to. And yeah, it's ok to use a little common sense. The site I linked is good at determining how much objectively fake news a source prints. But when it comes to them being wrong about CNN being left-wing, duh. Their assessment of the spectrum is obviously wrong.

Can you show me some examples? That kind of proves my point. "Critical race theory" and "trans ideology" are both just meaningless catch-all terms used by the Right to cover any thing racial or trans-related that they don't want kids learning about. Basically, they did to those terms what they did to "woke." In the case of CRT, it's kind of an open secret. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory Rufo basically admitted that he launched a campaign to redefine what CRT originally meant so it can be used in propaganda. Now conservatives can say kids are being "indoctrinated" into "critical race theory" and what they really mean is kids are being taught that slavery was a thing. It's always the same thing with right-wing propaganda. They'll pick something they don't like, then redefine a word or term to wage a war against, so that they can demonize the actual thing they don't like. They don't like people knowing about social injustice, so they're against "wokeness." They don't like education, so they're against "indoctrination." They don't like people learning about historical racism, so they're against "critical race theory." They don't like trans people, so they're against "trans ideology." See how successful right-wing propaganda is? CRT doesn't say white people are naturally and irredeemably racist, but right-wing media told that lie over and over, now many people think the theory actually says that. And no, it's not that gender doesn't exist, it's that it's a social construct. Social constructs obviously exist. Yes, but that doesn't mean there isn't a long and complex path to transitioning.

So stop dog whistling. Why are fascists such betas? Just say what you mean. That's because Peterson doesn't dog whistle, his brain is just soup. You have to lie about what I said because you know I'm correct. Again, why are fascists such betas? I point out that y'all dog whistle about the Jews and your response is basically "I know you are but what am I?"

Duh, because context matters. It's like saying people have been called racist for saying nigga. When people say there are two genders, they're usually conflating gender with sex as a way of saying that people can't transition genders. Whereas I'm acknowledging that gender is a social construct and not every society has two genders. But is it really confusing kids? Is there any evidence that schools are teaching gender in a way that is in any way harming or confusing kids? But the Right is just calling any education they don't like "indoctrination" and "activism." Is it indoctrination to teach that the earth is billions of years old? Creationists would say yes, that's indoctrinating kids into Atheism. What's really going on is that conservativism is built on lies and they don't like that schools are teaching truth. It's not transphobic to question some things, but conservatives usually ask questions in bad faith. And when it comes to right-wing media, they're constantly lying about what's really going on because they want us to think that kids are getting trans surgeries constantly.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/townhall/

One party is full of fascists who want a trans genocide. The other party is full of liberals who don't fight hard enough for change. These things are the same. ?

It's transphobic because it's a dog whistle. What people really mean when they say this is that you can't transition. It's like how it's not anti-jewish to condemn George Soros, but most of the times when Soros is being brought up, he's being used as a dog whistle for Jews. Same with "Chicago" or "thugs" and black people. In America there are two genders, but it depends on the society. There have always been societies that recognized more than two genders. The gender unicorn is used to teach about how gender is different from sex. So no, the gender unicorn is correct and cute. Depends on the society and the gender. I know in Albania, people generally don't get surgery to transition to the third gender. It's really not heavy to let kids know that trans people exist. School is about education and we should be educating kids on the world around them. We should let them know that some of your friends might have two moms or two dads. Some parents don't like that in public school they teach about the holidays of different religions. Welp, sorry, but that's life. Your kids need to know that not everyone they meet is going to have their religion or celebrate their holidays. I'm trying to be civil here, but you honestly sound so ridiculous repeating these right-wing lies. No, it's not child abuse to tell your daughter that she's a girl. Nobody would legit say your wife's daughter is being abusive for saying that. I do believe that if a child had legit signs of gender dysphoria, it would be child abuse to not get them medical help, but that's not the same as a girl being a tomboy. It's like how it would be child abuse to deny a kid food, but nobody is going to call you abusive for limiting how much food your kids can have. OMG! That's not how it works! If she honestly thought her daughter was trans, she'd have to take her to a doctor and a very long process would beging in which doctors and therapists try to figure out if she actually has gender dysphoria. This is why we need more education on trans issues in schools. So many people still think that if a young boy wears his mom's high heels one day, they immediately cut his junk off and make him a girl.