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No, lots of employees do not get it. COLA is generally a term used for pensions, not to annual salaries. I am not even sure buitI do not think negotiated salary contracts have COLA https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/collective-bargaining-data/wages/wages-listing-cola-month.html And yes, they are asking to have it tied to the annual salary.

How much did that cost??

I think you have that wrong Michael. "Since last July, OECTA has had 28 bargaining dates. The Ontario Secondary School Teachers' Federation (OSSTF) has had 25." The government said they have had dozens of negotiation days already and have more scheduled. The union did not deny that. "“With respect to the offer, we've been negotiating. We've had over 170 meetings with our education unions,” Lecce said." 170 meetings and it was just about wages??? Something is not smelling good here LOL One thing the union wants is a raise and also tie it to inflation. When inflation is up, they want more. Who gets that??

In my experience in the procurement offices, we knew this program would be a $hit show. It was, along with the Coast Guard ships, supposed to bring money to Halifax, Vitcoria and of course, mostly Quebec. The the Navy began with scope creep. They saw what was available elsewhere and wanted it incorporated into their ships. The problem with that was sometimes (often) the ship had to be re-designed and in many cases, work already done had be undone to make the new requirements fit. While that sounds easy, it is a huge effort to make even a small change once design and drawings have been approved. All that leads to delays and extra costs. They could have gotten used ships and of course, other shipyards would have done this far quicker.

Michael, I think we went round and round on this the last time. You know my position on this so if you are tired of me repeating, I think you need to stop now:)

Michael, if you ask anyone which job is riskier, cop, firefighter of teach, I think teacher would come in last. As for union busting, I am all for it. Unions served a purpose once but now,,it is just another money and power grabbing industry. EDIT: there is lots of accusations of dictatorship in Ontario and especially in the fed government but to me, the unions in Canada are as close to a dictatorships as in any country with a proclaimed dictatorship.

1. No Michael, I was providing information on what police and firefighters do all year and what teachers do in 170 days of the year. But yes some professions are inherently safer than others. 2. What did you address? I repeat because it is valid, against most counter comments. You seem to be unwilling to acknowledge it. 3. I think they had a surplus during COVID. Even though the teachers got paid for not working (don't even try to tell me they all worked online. I know too many that never worked at all. 3 are my neighbours.)

The same reason the CEOs employees get paid less than they do. Rank has it's privileges. The CEO did not start at the top and did not get paid that much. The job comparison was not started by me. You wanna be a cop (or firefighter), work day and night, weekends and summers and not get summers off and Spring and Christmas breaks and PD days like the teachers? Work only 170 days per year for $100K per year? Sounds like a good gig to me.

When risk is involve, this comparison is very relevant. I never started the comparison, you did. Anyway, I posted that it is starting again and it seems teachers (or more specifically extremely rich unions and teachers) are using the students hostage again. Before COVID, during COVID and now again. There will never be enough money in the Education ministry to satisfy the teachers union. Also, if the teachers want more, the government will have to get the money from somewhere. Will the union let us know who does without so more teachers can be on the sunshine list?

The news confuses us. Are housing builds up or down? Some say up https://financialpost.com/real-estate/housing-starts-pace-jumps-june Some say down https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/housing-starts-cool-canada-under-150949627.html

Having retired and new teachers in my family, it is a constant argument why the new teacher is not working and why the retired teacher gets called to substitute almost every day. They both are not pro union stance.

I have yet to hear what is being offered and more important, I have yet ot hear what the union is asking. We just hear the union leaders speeches indicating how hard done by they are and how the kids will suffer

Cops and firefighters are in dangerous jobs and can be in danger any time of the day and any time of the year. If they are not in any given day, they are happy and lucky but, they are still placing themselves in situations every day. It is union number and the list identifies them as teachers. I y ou have evidence to dispute, feel free to enlighten,.

1. So Michael, you are saying using a cop and firefighter year long work is a valid comparison to that of a teacher? 2. You are wrong, there are differences in teacher pay depending on boards. https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/marketreport/wages-occupation/15904/ON 3.So, police and firefighters are less than teachers?

No, spoken like a person that is tired of allowing teachers using kids as a weapon to get more money.

Yeah well, firefighters are on duty 24 per day as opposed to the 9 to 3 that teachers are and work all year long and not just 170 days per year. It is even more ignorant to compare cops and firefighter that face danger all the time to a teacher sitting in a school. Yeah well, a McDonalds employee is not on the sunshine and making more then $100K per year like over half of the teachers in Ontario. https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/ontario-has-released-its-so-called-sunshine-list-for-100k-earners-267-000-people-made-the-cut-1.6328013?cache=396

Lemme see, how many teachers solve crime or put themselves in danger? Or, how many teachers put out fires and save people and property? How many cops and firefighter have nice indoor jobs year round? And both cops and firefighters work more than 170 days per year. Also, I am sure you are aware that the province gives the boards the money to operate and the board decides salary and infrastructure etc with that money. that is why there is differences in salary among the boards in Ontario. Lastly, like the saying goes, "The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else" and who get less and where do you want to cut?

In case you are unaware, any river can be dammed for a hydro dam. As for what rivers, well, I do not know the names rivers of all the BC rivers or how many are in BC . Large long wires will be needed for any hydro project. You cannot just plug in to your toaster wire LOL You are also aware, or should be that hydro wires run in a cleared right of way passages You do know that more fires are caused by unattended campfires, careless smokers, lightning strikes? You have no points.

His point was that he said there are lots of rivers that can be dammed. And he is right. You then went off on a rant about how long the wires would be without realizing there are already many thousands of miles of wires associated with hydro dams already.

Fixed for ya

Here in Ottawa, building sites are nearly closed. Help wanted signs everywhere. Every builder has help wanted signs for all trades. Even the reno market is looking for workers. Yes, mortgage rates are an issue but, re-sale homes are flying off the market. Up from last year. They have the same mortgage issues, but are selling. I am not sure that interest rates are the problem for builders or new home buyers.

Why would or should a contractor build a house when they cannot get labour and cannot guarantee sales?

Here we go again. Ontario elementary, secondary teachers to hold strike votes https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ont-teachers-strike-votes-1.6936205 Already one of if not the highest paid and for sure a gold plated pension and all the benefits as well as only having to work for what? 170 days a year?? Ontario teachers making more than $100K per year more than doubled between 2020 and 2020. "The number of teachers earning $100,000 or more is at "historic highs," Sarkaria wrote, with 65,510 in 2022, up from 29,975 in 2022." https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/ontario-has-released-its-so-called-sunshine-list-for-100k-earners-267-000-people-made-the-cut-1.6328013?cache=396

Political banter, by any party, cannot be relied on, let alone believed. They all have hidden agendas and the primary one is to stay in power. We seem to have a 10 (approx) year tolerance for leaders so, Justins tenure should be up by now.

They are example of saying there will be something done and nothing happened. Yes, opinions but based on events, or non events. As for the courts response, there are many ways of drafting things that make sure courts will negate it. I am a Senate hater. Serves no purpose except to delay legislation and reward political buddies.