Infidel Dog

Sorry Bud. Not a Prog. Not trained to ignore the obvious. First immediate clue of a false equivalency there is in the names. So now if you want to convince me the 2 things are equal, I'll need a list. The son of the Vice President was given a big fat paycheck by a Ukrainian energy company for a job he had no qualifications for. Next he was taking checks from the Chinese for "the Big Guy." Show me how the circumstances were the same for the In-law, Kushner. In fact show me how Kushner is just a cracked up whore monger with no real qualifications for anything. Don't just dangle a doubtful insinuation like it means something.

Stop being so gutless. There are no Khazarians any more. If you mean Jews, say Jews. Have the guts to let your bigot, flag fly. Then tell us again how the Ukrainians are all Nazis. We could use a laugh.

Russian troops forced out of eastern town Lyman " Russia has withdrawn its troops from the strategic Ukrainian town of Lyman, in a move seen as a significant setback for its campaign in the east. The retreat came amid fears thousands of soldiers would be encircled in the town, Russia's defence ministry said. Recapturing Lyman is of strategic significance for Ukraine. The town had been used as a logistics hub by Russia, and could give Ukrainian troops access to more territory in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Video footage shared online showed Ukrainian soldiers waving their national flag on the outskirts of the town. Lyman is in Donetsk - one of four partially-occupied Ukrainian regions which Russia declared it was annexing on Friday. Ukraine and its Western allies have dismissed the move as an illegal land-grab." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63102220 Guess we will found out how serious Putin was about breaking out the nukes if Russia is attacked. Apparently he was calling the area covered by his bogus referendum Russia. That would include Lyman according to the BBC.

Well stop being so thick and arguing like a Prog does then. Look, let's go from the beginning. You wanted to insinuate there was no science or scientists involved in the coming ice age theory, that it was all media. I listed people who thought they were talking science that were involved in the theory. I said Hansen wrote a model used by ice ageists. You asked for a cite. I should have seen the old Prog trick coming of wanting to find some incidental little technicality to divert way off topic. However knowing you like to pout when somebody won't do your searches for you I generously showed you both sides of the issue. Some say Hansen used a program to create a model that showed there wouldn't be enough CO2 warming to stop the coming ice age. Jimmy says "Who me? No, I just had a program for my venus studies they used to create the model." At that point it becomes who do you believe. Now me I suspect Hansen wrote the model. Later in his career he gets into a lot of problems for not wanting to share his work and even when he does some say it was practically indecipherable written in some outdated computer language. I think it was cobalt. (Please don't get all proggy again and go off on why it couldn't be cobalt) Also, at the time, Hansen was Rasool's subordinate. Also even in his own explanation he writes how he supported the project. He says just as a useful experiment. Hansen also gave advice to the co-author of the paper Steven Schneider. Speaking of Schneider he also became a well known global warmist. So if your original point is no global warming scientists were involved in the ice age theory forget about Hansen or even Barrack Obama's science adviser John Holdren, I mentioned earlier. Rasool and Co-author of the ice age paper, Steven Schneider proves your original point that scientists were not involved in the ice-age theory wrong. Steve Schneider (left), Jim Hansen (centre), and S. Ichtiaque Rasool (right) at NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, circa 1971. Image copyright: Stephen H. Schneider

See this is why it's kind of pointless to give a Progressive both sides when they ask for a cite. They'll only read the side that favors them then strut around like they're all of a sudden experts on the issue you just told them about a post ago. I think the problem now is you don't understand the difference between a program and the model it creates. Climate models happen when a program parses data into readable predictions of what to expect when conditions meet the programmed structure. Models make predictions. Programs create them. So now do you understand what the first cite I gave you was saying? Or are you still locked into only considering the one I generously gave you showing Hansen's denial after the prediction of an ice age didn't happen. Here the fist cite again so you can actually read it this time: " "Hansen’s climate model says ice age to occur by 2021, ‘no need to worry about CO2’ http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/05/flashback-hansens-climate-model-says.html Flashback from the Washington Times, July 9, 1971, a NASA scientist using a “computer program developed by Dr. James Hansen” predicted an ice age would occur within 50-60 years. According to Hansen’s computer model, “they found no need to worry about the carbon dioxide fuel-burning puts in the atmosphere.” Here's a question for you. If a glacial ice age did happen do you think Hansen would be denying that the model his program created worked?

See this is what I was talking about when I mentioned how Hansen likes to parse language to cover up the fact his predictions failed. So what you seem to be saying is because a computer program was used to create the model Rasool used to show how CO2 couldn't prevent the cooling necessary to create an ice age that it wasn't the model but only the program that needs to be mentioned and therefore everything else becomes false. And to that I simply reply, Bullshit.

Not even the warmists at NASA GISS would tell us Milakovitch cycles aren't a climate influence. And no, I didn't hear them say Milankovitch Cycles were not an influence. I heard them say such orbital cycles weren't an influence that mattered much to current warming. But that's fine. There are others who think they are. And that also was my point. That what you're told to believe and what you'd like to believe is not "The Science" as in the only science. Science is about debate until the more complete truth gradually makes its way to the surface. There's even a name for it. It's called the "Scientific Method." Something political influenced warmism seems determined to leave behind.

It's a climate model produced by software dummy. The "climate program" they're talking about in the Washington times article is a climate model. Do you at least know what that is? Climate models were a thing Hansen was famous for. He had hundreds predicting climate catastrophe and a few that even told us if certain conditions were applied maybe it wouldn't be so bad. Now you if you use your limited searches you'll only hear about the few that weren't so reactionary and managed to stay close to the known climate we've seen but not the many that tell us "OMGs we're all gonna die!!!". But they are both climate models - just as the Venus "climate program" telling us not to worry too much about the power of CO2 to slow a glacial ice age was a climate model.

Not sure what you're talking about. "This thread?" Which thread? In this thread I said there were other influences of warming and many arguments against the idea human caused CO2 was the only influence on climate. There's an argument that Milankovitch cycles can offer one of the multitude of influences on climate available to the hodge podge.

Hansen's model said CO2 warming wasn't powerful enough that you had to worry about it stalling an ice age. So it's not powerful enough to stop natural cooling but it is powerful enough to bring about Warmageddon. Something's rotten in the state of Jimmy there if he's saying both. And apparently he has.

Why? Who's saying that? As I understand the argument it goes more like Warmageddon most likely isn't coming. There's no real definitive science showing it is. But if crises and catastrophes are coming the better response is the one we've always used. Adaptation. In fact we're better equipped for that right now with fewer consequences than using mitigation with carbon taxes, windmills, solar farms, global governance or whatever other useless manipulation a globalist or Progressive Socialist can come up with.

Moving on? Hardly. You could also use the other article where they say this: That's also true. OK it's more "James Hansen did the climate model used by Ice Ageists to support their theory" but basically, Potayto, Potahto.

If you're suggesting therefore if we don't do with CO2 what was done with Ozone we're all going to die that's a false equivalence at least and ridiculous at its worst.

Tell you what, I'll give you both sides. Here's the original claim in an old Washington Post article: https://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/05/flashback-hansens-climate-model-says.html and here's Hansen on a Warmist blog denying there was anything to it on a warmist blog later on. https://grist.org/article/swift-boating-james-hansen/ These parsing of language denials by Hansen are common when his predictions of catastrophe are proven false by time.

I mentioned how NASA GISS's James Hansen did the climate models for ice ageists. Depopulationist Paul Ehrlich and Barrack Obama's future science adviser, John Holdren were also on board with the bogus "coming ice age" prediction.

But there were predictions and the media did push it as science. The head of NASA GISS who later became a fanatic pusher of Warmageddon did the computer model for the coming ice age "science."

It's satire from the Babylon Bee for crying out loud. Grab a sense of humor. Or is that against the "Progressive" way. I'm beginning to think SoH is just not in the Prog DNA.

Kind of, but not really. More like one-time supporters "post Mussolini." Post meaning after. Try this one that fleshes out the leftist, BS talking point that has Giorgia screaming on street corners today demanding Italians follow the preachings of Mussolini. As a teenage activist, Giorgia Meloni had once praised Mussolini She doesn't, of course. But as a teenager she joined a youth movement formed by supporters of Mussolini after the war. It was there she told French television Mussolini was a good politician because of his policies that helped Italy, or something like that. As she grew up she denounced Mussolini for his authoritarianism, racism, and entering WWII on the side of Hitler. As a youth she was also a fan of Lord of the Rings and was part of a group that would dress as Hobbits for conventions and such. That doesn't mean she wants Italians to recreate the Shire. Try this one:

With climate change, you mean? Nothing. Climate's always changing. With human caused climate catastrophism however the problem with that is there's no reason to believe it can't be BS so how bad do you want to support the destruction of civilization and the enslavement of its population on the chance there might be something to it? Why? Which one are you pushing?

Al Gore Commemorates Earth Day By Using Private Jet To Write 'Save The Planet' In The Sky Babylon Bee. Always funny because it sounds so true.

Not only are rare earth metals necessary in current alternative energy: https://kleinmanenergy.upenn.edu/research/publications/rare-earth-elements-a-resource-constraint-of-the-energy-transition/ they may be even more influential in future advancements.

First of all, who are these "they" of which you speak? Science is currently a battlefield on what is causing changes in climate at any moment in geologic history. And the larger disagreements have to do with what's happening currently. So many theories. Here I'll give you three to look up. "Milankovitch orbital cycles." So much stuff on Oceans but you should at least know about the "Great Ocean Conveyor belt." I find the possibilities in clouds fascinating but try this one for a search term "Dr Roy Spencer Cloud Studies." There are tons more. Thinking all climate influences have been definitively determined is a joke.

China is number one.

They may find replacements for rare earth elements in wind turbines. https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/08/scientists-propose-alternatives-to-rare-earth-elements-critical-for-wind-turbines/ Hope they do. But as far as I know and for the present that one is in the line-up with the even more important need for an improvement in battery technology that will allow the turbine to continue producing energy when the wind is not blowing.