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Triggered? Please No straws other than the ones you had to use to insolate your fridge box home Not a conservative either You weren't trashing Marxism because you don't understand Marxism, you were just throwing around some word that the ignorant people you support use because your side (and by that I mean the extremist Trump sycophants) that represent true conservatism about as well as the westboro baptist church represents the teachings of Jesus Sad little incel

The funniest part is that we both know (though you'll never admit it) that you will, and have depended on government safety nets (welfare, old age, etc..) to meet your basic needs more then I ever will. All you have is dishonesty, pathetic

You're just sad

Well since you're the one that brought up Marxism, I guess you're admitting that everything you say is pointless. They say that admittance is the first step to recovery, so at least you're on the right track

I completely agree that invoking personal experience as apposed to education etc.. is not the correct way to engage in political discourse, but I don't think that's what I did. I spoke of my personal story, only with the intention to explain my struggles to properly express myself in the written form and to clarify that if something comes out the wrong way that it will most likely be because of form and not function. I am still confused as to how anything I said could be construed as hackery (I'm not saying it wasn't, just that if it was, it was unintentional) so would you please tell me specifically what I did say (or how I said it) that gave you that impression. I think we have started to develop something resembling a respectful conversation, so if you can just answer my last question. You can pick the next topic for discussion.

Are you saying that the health care systems in the states are comparable to those in Canada ? I just checked and 54% of Americans get employment based health care. So at least half of Americans can't leave their jobs if themselves or their family has any kind of health issues, not to mention some that couldn't even make lateral moves to other businesses if any of those health issues involve pre existing conditions, and honestly I feel you've not addressed my point. I agree our government bureaucracy is bloated and the unions have way to much power, so that's not a point of contention between us at all I don't think freedom is an objective word but if you provide me with your definition, I'm fine with using that as our working definition going forward I'm not a fan of Justin either, so we can agree on that as well, therefore using current liberals (and their policies) as some sort of counter point to any subjects I may bring up (well presented or if I need to clarify better) is really just a waste of time for both of us I'm not partisan, so I don't care about what any political party platform is, I evaluate each specific issue independently based on how I feel it will effect me and society as a hole

You don't have an honest bone in your body. And straight back to calling me a leftist. You're a complete joke I will no longer be responding to you in the future You're pathetic.

And that is what separates us , you are satisfied with faith to guide you in your decisions, I prefer to use reason and logic. I respect your beliefs but the gap between our epistemologies is so insurmountable, I see no reason to continue in any form of future communication. I wish you nothing but positivity Take care

You really can't just have an honest conversation can you? You can't just flat out admit you misjudged me, so because you have to be "against" someone, you have to talk smack about some ,next random people that were in no way involved in our conversation. Why must you be like that? Seriously, Why?

So how is it I'm a left wing cultist? Because that's your go to, and all you do is agree with me whenever you actually give me a chance to elaborate on one of my opinions. Or are you coming out (sorry couldn't resist) as left wing?

First I will not comment directly to what Foxy said, we're trying to turn over a new leaf. I will say that I have said more then once "freedom" is a subjective word ,that I have to the best of my abilities tried to qualify using my personal interpretation of one aspect of "freedom" that being economic freedom there are of course other branches of freedom we can and hopefully will discuss, but we have to start somewhere and the ability to change jobs or pursue entrepreneurial opportunities without having to put at risk something as essential as the health of you and your family, to me is incredibly important for a free society. On another note, I'm much more interested in your opinion to the clear, concise points I made, than asking me to respond to someone elses post that at the time ( of course now we're like old friends now) was admittedly not attempting to engage in a good fath conversation ( to be clear I was not making any effort to do so myself either) but I won't dwell on that because it's entirely possible that you will make a future post addressing me directly. I look forward to reading it

Let's examine that. I was speaking with someone on how we can better understand people that had a closed minded upbringing and the political leanings or specific ideologies were not mentioned in fact I made a point to speak of the extremists on both sides. You interjected with Newsmax talking points irrelevant to the conversation at hand, then claim I support or am afraid to address them, so I'll play (remember that the other times we've played this game, you have to admit you essentially agree with my opinion so just have to keep asking questions until you can find so sort of semantic issue to cling to) but here goes we can use the things you said just in this thread In fully understand and acknowledge the advantage I have to have grown up in a free society, mostly engineered by , European, Christian values. Yes I agree there are many cultures, particularly those with Muslim theocratic "governments" that have no respect for the freedom of religion or speech, etc... I agree that antisemitism exists (but so do many other prejudices in Canada, the language issue is a perfect example),though the middle east is an issue I tend to stay away from because the reality of their situation is honestly so foreign and hard for my brain to even conceptualize, I think there are bad actors on both sides but fail to understand the intricacies enough to fall down definitively on one side or the other. Pakistan isn't as tolerant as Canada. I think that covers everything? So for the last time, what positions that I have just expressed, would identify me as a, "Left wing (insert random pejorative, here" Put up or shut up, son

I have no problem accepting fault, for example I don't honestly believe you're attracted to trans women (well probably not anyway) But you again can't help yourself continuing to make dishonest assertions about my beliefs that you know you can't support, effectively answering my question to if you wanted to participate in good faith conversation. Therefore I cordially, with all sincerity and respect invite you to, Kick rocks

Dude when all you have is , I know you are but what am I, aka, the rubber, glue defense. Just quit

I'm a Canadian that lives in Canada, what's happening with people or governments in foreign lands is a completely different conversation as is irrelevant to my point on the xenophobia that exists in Canada . Now who's not willing to admit to something? Not me If you actually want to address the point I've been raising,we can certainly move on to other topics, but if you just want to continue going of on semi (at best) related rabbit trails, then kick rocks

Interesting, cheers! I'll have to read more about that I don't know much about far Eastern culture Funny, it's like how alot of my friendships started out, save the romantic part of course. Hahaha Maybe this is the start of a beautiful friendship.

Honestly, I completely agree we could find much better topics, but I think this discussion is a great jumping off point because it deals more with style than substance and I think style is an often neglected aspect of productive dialogue and in my opinion also the major contributor to our problems finding common ground. Thank you for a honest response, I admit that I often use language and rhetoric when responding to people intentionally to attack the core values they profess to believe, but I think or at least distribute it evenly over both sides., but in this case don't see how anything I've said could be construed as partisan and to be clear it may vary well have been, I just didn't realize. A little info to maybe understand me better. I started coming here primarily to improve my communication skills in the written language. I'm a strong communicator in person (even I the phone I find it more difficult) but because of my history in the education system, I completely neglected my writing abilities and when you add the ADHD being able to summarize my thoughts coherently on paper is really hard ( if you notice I included a lot of brackets), hahaha ) so I know that sometimes the tone of what I write may come across different than intended or precived So again in all sincerity, could you please explain what I said that was partisan? That way I can avoid making the same mistakes. In life I genuinely pride myself on the conscious effort I made to evaluate all things doing my best to compensate for my confirmation bias and it would bother me if that didn't come through in this forum I honestly don't care what people think of me , as long as their opinion actually represents the reality of who I at least aspire to be even if I often fall short

Stockholm I'm familiar with, tsundere not at all. Could you give me the cliff notes, please?

Let's have a conversation about this, hopefully we can use this an opportunity to better understand each other and this can lead to more fruitful discussions going forward First I'll need some clarification and honestly I say this with no intention but to better understand you. Are you saying we are Both employing uninspired, partisan drivel ? I suggest we start fresh here and now and ignore any other threads we have between us that I'm sure you'd agree contain very little attempt on either of our parts to have a productive dialogue. ( I pleage not to react to anything you've responded to, until the response to the one I'm writing now) The ball is in your court sir

No substance or relevance in that to address Go find a Baptist to drink a beer with in the American Bible belt, but neither are relevant to how we can coexist in Canada today. My first pot dealer(and eventually close friend) when I moved to Montreal was Muslim, went to mosque regularly and was very involved in the community, he also smoked, drank and loved bacon. We were walking down the street one day and his 70 pound pitbull (the most docile dog ever and I'm scared of dogs) brushed up against some lady, she started going off, after my buddy had apologized numerous times and she began getting more irate and insulting ( the dog with his tongue way out and tail wagging) he responded a little more directly and in tune with the ladies tone. She then yelled "Go back to where you're from" he responded with "Shawinigan"? That's to whom I'm referring to

And that's just boring projection If I'm so scared (I literally just made myself lol writing that) and I continue to tell you I'm not interested in conversing with you (it's kinda to easy to laugh at you to stop responding) why do you continue to try? You obviously don't get under my skin and I'm not even giving you silly left wing opinions (in fact I challenge you, as I have others to actually provide support for your and others continuous assertions that I'm some "lefty") to argue against. I've been joking but I'm starting to honestly think you have feelings for me.

How obsessed with me are you? I won't give you the attention you want, so you talk smack about me to people that are actually engaging in good faith conversations? Sorry kiddo but it won't help your case, I only like girls and even if I did play for the other team, I would still have standards you could never meet

Exactly, and much like religious extremism, when introduced young becomes very difficult to counteract.

Perfect example, using some silly catch phrase of a foreign politician that I've never mentioned other than to comment on other things she's said I thought were drivel, as some sort of come back or retort, is tired, uninspired and just hacky. It doesn't merit the reflection required to have any kind of meaningful conversation and this applies to most if not all of the interjections you've made in response to my posts. You're just boring

As for being wrong I often am. I like to say that I know I'm not a idiōt because I know I'm an idiōt , so to go back to some Greeks that were smarter than both of us, Socrates (I think) says the best arguments are those you went into wrong, because you leave knowing more true things then you did, and that is my objective in almost every conversation I enter. As for just talking with people, I do with those interested in actually participating in a good faith conversation and I don't believe you are. In other words Ya boring