Yzermandius19

Okay Malthus, we all know the real reason you want to stop debating, and that's because you are losing the argument, badly.

No India's problems are lack of free market capitalism and rough terrain. It's harder to build infrastructure in India, it's harder to have proper transportation in India, and it's harder to have a free market in India. Has literally nothing to with not enough resources existing in the world to feed them, and everything to do with not being wealthy enough to buy those resources and build that transportation and infrastructure. Government incompetence also slows them down. As India has become wealthier all these issues are correcting themselves at a much faster rate than if they implemented a one child policy like China did. Population isn't the problem. As India gets wealthier the birth rate will drop and the population will stop growing and eventually shrink. Too many people is not the problem and even if it was, less people existing wouldn't fix it anywhere near as well as other measures.

Then move to a less crowded place. Not having enough resources for all the people is not the problem. China is not running out of resources, China is running out of people, because their birth rate has fallen and they have less young people to support an aging population. Also they are communists, so that's not good for the economy either. Central planning is a far bigger problem than overpopulation, and in China's case underpopulation is a bigger problem for them than overpopulation as well. It's not a lack of resources, unless you are talking about human capital, which is diminished with a smaller population, not increased. Too many people and too few resources is a myth.

No it wouldn't, the problem would still exist, because population levels aren't the issue at all. Having less people to build the infrastructure, transportation and market innovation necessary to reduce the issue would slow down the ability to feed more people for lower prices. You are making the problem worse by failing to address the actual issue.

Overpopulation is something different, having less people won't solve the problem. Having better infrastructure, transportation and free market capitalism to fuel technological innovation, will do a far better job of addressing the issue than less people existing ever will. Too many people is not the problem, which is why most who think it is the problem suck at addressing the actual underlying issues that lead to people not being well feed on the cheap, they are trying to address the wrong issue entirely based on a myth propped up by bad mathematics.

Utopia? No. Utopia is another myth, the world will never ever be a Utopia.

Just ship it to the Gulf of Mexico. Problem solved. If Canada won't let Alberta ship it out on the Pacific or Atlantic, ship it to America. American interests are more aligned with Alberta than BC or Quebec, that would only become more so the case if Alberta left Confederation, and that's not a bad thing.

That's an infrastructure, transportation, and price problem, not a land and food shortage problem. There is plenty of land and food to feed the population of the world, even at 11 billion, neither land or food is in danger of running out. Overpopulation is a myth.

It's not too late now, the population will peak before it reaches 11 billion, and there is plenty of land and food to feed them. Birth rates everywhere are falling, and they are falling fastest in the parts of the world that are the most heavily populated as well. Overpopulation is a myth on the worldwide scale, in specific localities, sure, but the carrying capacity of the world is far higher than Malthusian Doomsday Cults give it credit for. Canada does not have to worry about overpopulation, and neither does America, there is tons of room to grow in North America, in particular. If anything underpopulation is the bigger threat long term, not overpopulation. Not many parts of the world left above or at replacement rate, that won't soon be at or below replacement rate.

Well yeah, but specifically I mean. It's because they take current rates of population growth and extrapolate into the future without factoring in how those rates are likely to change, then they look at the current resources available in the world and act like no further resources will be discovered or that technology won't allow people to get more out of those resources in the future, and then they add that all those misleading statistics together, which leads to a prediction of doomsday. That is the specific pattern of Malthusian Doomsday Cults, always talking about overpopulation and mass starvation, because they misguidedly believe the world is overpopulated, but that isn't based on science in the end, that is based on belief. They simply go cherry picking stats to back up that belief, but it's not science at all.

If it's so obvious, why are the Doomsday Cults wrong every time?

Overpopulation isn't serious, the world isn't having enough kids, even in countries with high birth rates now are falling dramatically and will be near or below replacement not too far into the future, the world won't get over 10 billion and then the population will fall. Your Malthusian Overpopulation predictions are as inaccurate as those of Malthus himself.

No system works to everyone's satisfaction, this is not exclusive to capitalism, which works to more people's satisfaction than any other economic system. If you think capitalism is broken, everything else is more broken, so you are just whining about life not being perfect with no practical solution if that is your big takeaway.

You know what works worse than capitalism? Every other economic system. Capitalism isn't perfect you say? Whoop Dee Do Basil. /shrugs

Yeah he'd do better against Trump than Warren or Sanders, but worse than Biden and would still lose. His governmental record sucks, he's a terrible politician, has zero charisma. He ain't winning.

White people shouldn't be put on a pedestal because they are responsible for most of Canada's problems, not the non-white immigrants. You don't need to be a racist to question or challenge immigration, there is no need to bring race into it at all, bringing race into it simply undermines your position.

Woke white people are the one's defending the craziness the most, who knew? Perhaps people shouldn't be put on a pedestal because of race or ethnicity then, who knew?

It's the white people who support the immigration dude. It's also the white people who are not good for Canada with their love of national helicopter mommy, less so with the immigrants. You are scapegoating foreigners and putting white people on pedestal for no good reason when the whites play a big role in many of your biggest pet peeves about Canada.

If you haven't heard any white people who are fans of Canada's large immigration numbers, you need to get outside of your bubble, they are legion. You yourself said the non-white immigrants think there are too many non-white immigrants coming in more than the white's do, you were the one citing that statistic and now that you've been shown that doesn't back your point about non-white immigrants ruining Canada the way you thought it did, now you are backpedaling.

Bloomberg is a turd at best as well. Just because everyone else sucks doesn't make Bloomberg good, he's just yet another turd in the Dem 2020 punch bowl. There is already a billionaire running, there is already a New York mayor running, Bloomberg adds nothing new to the mix really, except large soda bans and stop and frisk.

Bloomberg would get killed against Trump, if he even gets there, which he won't. This is the face of Stop and Frisk out to ban large soda's that we are talking about here. He's a former Republican, he's older than Biden and has no charisma. He's not even the only billionaire in the race, nor is he the only New York mayor in the race. Bloomberg only looks good on paper, he is not a strong candidate, he probably won't enter the race any higher than fourth with an announcement boost. Having his own money to blow on the race is all he has going for him.

Bloomberg wasn't Obama's VP, and he banned The Big Gulp. Only 6% of Democrats said they would definitely vote for him if he entered the race, compared to 35% who said they definitely wouldn't. This guy is a former Republican in a party who is further left now than it's been since George McGovern, and he's the face of "Stop and Frisk", ain't no black people going to vote for him over Biden. He's also really short. There is already a Mayor of New York running in this Dem Primary, there is already a billionaire running in this Dem primary, and neither of them have gotten any traction. Bloomberg is not a good candidate and he won't even win the primary. Apparently he's just got money to waste, he can run on trying to institute a federal ban on large quantities of soda or something, whoop dee doo Basil.

Gun Grabber, Drug Warrior Prohibitionist and Economic Nationalist. Those would be my biggest beefs with Trump, off the top of my head. All based on the results of his actions, and supported policies, as opposed to unimportant shit like: personality, the way he phrases things, or "character". His idiotic haters reach for the later to try to attack him, because they have no good criticisms of him based on results of his actions and policies.

My point was that it's the White Canadian born crowd who are the most eager to push national helicopter mommy down our throats, not the immigrants. The children of immigrants most likely to want to shove national helicopter mommy down our throats are the one's brainwashed by white Canadian university professors and public school teachers. The native born white people are ruining Canadian culture far more than the immigrants could ever dream of, if that was somehow their intention, so stop scapegoating the immigrants as responsible for that. Like you say the non-white immigrants want less immigration than the woke whites anyway, so even if you insist on nonsensically blaming non-white immigration for ruining the culture, that ain't on the non-white immigrants either, that's on Canadian born whites, seeing as it's them who wants to flood Canada with non-white immigrants, and not the non-white immigrants who want to do that, by your own admission. Displaced anger is a helluva drug.

If it's not being seriously considered, it should be.