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The apostle Paul spoke about the importance of God working through the written word when he said "5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." 2 Corinthians ch3 vs 5,6 King James Bible There have been many false teachers down through the ages, who used parts of the word (the Bible) and twisted it for their own evil purposes.

Consider what God says about those who despise the Word of God, the Holy Bible. "To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it." Jeremiah 6:10 Appears your ear is "uncircumcised". " Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts." Zechariah 7:12 So it also appears your heart is as an adamant stone. Those who set themselves against God's word are like ants who want to fight against an elephant. Makes about as much sense.

There is even archeological information about the famous place called Bethel (house of God) mentioned in Genesis, the first book of the Bible. They discovered a settlement established there around 2000 B.C. and destroyed by a very fierce fire during the thirteenth century B.C. There is also archeological information about the city of Jericho, another famous city in the Bible.

I think you are mistaken in your idea. The Old Testament had nothing to do with bedtime stories for children. The Old Testament was written by prophets who were chosen men of God and who had experiences with God. They were inspired to write what they wrote and their experiences. These writing were Holy Scripture and ancient scribes had to copy each letter by hand on animal skins or such, letter by painstaking letter. No mistakes were allowed or the whole thing had to be done again. So it is an accurate record of what the prophet wrote. These are not stories handed down by mouth. The Jews handled the Holy Scripture with the utmost care. They were God's chosen people and that was their job. I have a large King James Bible with an archaeological supplement in the back, which I have not read yet. But there is a vast amount of information from finds in the Holy land and various places mentioned in the Old Testament. I must start reading some of this.

Interesting about the computer field. yes there are some interesting stories about how some young guys started Apple and became wealthy and successful.. Unfortunately you haven't studied the Bible so don't know as much about it as you think to be able to dismiss it out of hand. Unfortunately I am not that knowledgeable on it or would be able to address it better. The Bible history of Israel is not fiction and I think archeology may support a lot of things recorded in the Bible.

Interesting. I had an uncle who is gone now. He was electrical engineer and an inventor. I can't remember the things he told me he invented. But he was definitely a very eccentric person. I heard that he had wires all over inside his house. I think he actually might have invented one the early bar code readers for the postal code system for the post office, but I'm not sure. I only met him a couple times and he told me a few things. He said the government got the Japanese to manufacture the computer equipment to read the postal codes and when the government met with the Japanese, nobody could understand them because they didn't speak English. I guess they must have had a translator.

I don't know about the "church". The church never gave us the Bible and never wrote it. It was written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. In the beginning the first five books were written by Moses. The story of the people of Israel being led out of Egypt by Moses and with the miraculous power of God is another evidence of the power of God. It happened over three thousand years ago I believe. I am not a fan of the RC church. I read a lot of history about it the past. The history of the Popes is quite an eye opener. Before 313AD , believers met secretly in small groups and if caught, some were put in the lion's den in the collesium in Rome. After Constantine, the Roman Emperor, was supposedly converted in 313AD, christianity was legalized and became the state religion of the Roman Empire. That is when the Roman church began I believe. Constantine wanted to keep the peace in the Roman Empire so developed the new religion to placate everyone. It was kind of an amalgamation of christianity and false religion.

Yes, I see you know something about micro computer technology. I guess they use some kind of microscopic photography and chemicals to manufacture the microscopic electronic computer circuitry. I don't know. But it would have to be all done by robotic controls and somebody sitting at a screen controlling it I would imagine.

No , that's nothing to with a scam artist. There are many, maybe millions of people in the world who would tell you the same thing. You just have the notion that God would have to be created or that there is no God. God always existed. He is above the material universe and outside it. He designed it and created it because he has infinite power to do whatever he wishes. Hard to understand. There are some things we are not meant to understand. The basic premise that God is and that's how he describes himself when he said "I am" must be accepted by faith. There is no other way to explain it as far as I know. He is infinite in power, wisdom, knowledge and created the vast complex universe of which we are a tiny speck in it and only here for a little more than the blink of an eye.

Yep, completed an NRI correspondence course on microprocessor and microcomputers 25 years ago. I believe in the manufacturing process they use incredible technology because they are manufacturing microscopic computer circuitry that you probably couldn't see with the bare eye.

When we get into the complexities of science I kind of think it is a hopeless place to go. I prefer to look at the complexities of the universe and believe it couldn't be an accident or happen by itself without some master designer. It's just vastly too complex and incredible. That's my take on it anyway.

This is the link for the debate between two highly qualified scientists. One who believes in creation and one in evolution. You don't have to watch it. I watched part of it but it was beyond my capability to understand. If you found anything false in it, I would be amazed. I tried to edit this to get the video to start at the beginning but wasn't able to for some reason. You have to drag the video play cursor to the beginning and it will work.

OK. Well he has his style. I can't say whether it is the best. This other video I came across this evening between two real scientists is a very professional, high level debate. But it's very technical and I don't see any use in posting the link for it. I doubt you would get much out of it. Just that there are some very highly educated scientists that do believe in creation and have a massive amount of science to back them up.

I guess that makes us equal. If I wasn't convinced about what the Bible says, then maybe I would be searching for something. But when one is convinced about what they believe, why would they spend their time looking for alternative ideas and contrary opinions.??|

I'll be honest I'm not really into watching all that stuff. I am convinced about what I believe and not searching or interested in watching other videos. This is not an equal opportunity deal. You have already decided yourself it's all propaganda so what is there to say?

There is another youtube debate between two scientists, one a creation scientist and the other an evolution scientist. But I figured you probably wouldn't be interested anyway. I watched part of it and I have to admit, it is quite technical and involved. Over my head.

watching a video on youtube is not the same as delving into the works of some scientist. You want me to delve into the works of some scientists? Really?

I can't possibly start reading the works of somebody. I have a backlog of things I am reading.

How did life produce itself from nothing? It's never been proven or shown to happen by itself.

The article about him which I posted earlier on here says " He was very successful, giving 900 speeches and debates per year in schools, universities, and churches as well as appearing on radio and television. " That may have been 25 or 30 years ago and not now. It included a number of venues and broadcasts and could have been an average of 900 in a year. I gather he was very popular. There are many evangelical christians in the U.S.

Without a solid basis to determine right and wrong, you have no valid argument. The Holy Bible is the only valid basis. Everything else is subjective or man-made opinion. What right to one person might be wrong to another person. That's the definition of anarchy.

So you admit you can't answer that question. Let me know if you come up with an answer. Until you do, you can't say you have any sound basis for not believing in God.

You still haven't answered the question. How do YOU decide right from wrong? No prevarication.

OK, I just looked at the introduction and a minute of Hovind speaking. He speaks fast. But he speaks clearly and makes his points very succintly. He asks a great question. "If evolution is correct, how do you decide right from wrong?" Can you answer that, if evolution is true and there is no God, how do you decide right from wrong?

Well, I didn't see him that way. Funny how different people view things differently. I may have a look again and watch a bit of it. But you have to admit, you approached it with a bias against it. That might be part of the problem. Our preconceived ideas can colour our thinking.