blackbird

Blindness to facts is almost worse than Covid.

Yes that is true, but you are talking about before a high percentage of residents and staff were vaccinated. That was especially bad in 2020, two years ago when Covid first began.

No, I think you are the one ignoring plain facts from Public Health Ontario and DR. Zain Chagla that I gave you. You don't accept any facts that counter your anti- Covid restrictions / anti vaccine narrative.

Israel is a very small country and probably very densely populated. So people probably have much closer contact. Canada is a very large country with a relatively small spread out population. Also don't forget the number of infections is not the most important factor because even vaccinated people catch Covid. The important factor is the number of deaths. Maybe Israel has a lot of spread but perhaps relatively mild infections and not so many deaths.

I am not an expert on what is happening in every country. Are you? Since you mention it, you tell us.

I saw on the news that certain places had certain restrictions at times. But there was an ongoing battle between different state and the federal government over mask mandates and some restrictions. DeSantis, the Republican governor of Florida lifted a lot of restrictions as I recall.

The U.S. death rate from Covid was 280 per 100,000 population. The Canada death rate from Covid was 94 per 100,000 population. Canada took far stronger measures and the vaccination rates were higher in Canada. That is why the U.S. had about three times as many deaths per 100,000 population. Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (jhu.edu) We saw quite often on the news what a mess the U.S. was with some state fighting and opposing mandates and restrictions.

I don't look up every country in the world before I make a comment. But I'm sure you do..haha. The population of Sweden is about 10,500,000 in 2021. The number of Covid deaths is 16,465 as of Feb. 15, 2022. The population of Canada is about 38 million. The death rate is Canada is about 35,000 from Covid. It is obvious the death rate in Sweden was higher than in Canada which mean Canada's restrictions saved thousands more lives than Sweden which had few restrictions.

Nonsense. The virus is airborne and spreads by people breathing. So if you wear a mask and keep your distance or don't go where there are lot of people or where there may be people with Covid, of course you are less likely to catch it. Vaccination makes you less likely catch it, less likely to be seriously ill, less likely to be hospitalized, and less likely to spread it to other people. So it saves thousands of lives in Canada.

The right wing in the U.S. in many states are much more distrustful of government and many refused to get vaccinated. They also oppose health measures much more than people in Canada. Their vaccinations rates are significantly lower than Canada for second does and booster shots. They also oppose masks and social distancing. These factors is what caused their death rates to be much higher.

You are being ridiculous. The mandates required people in different jobs like health care to get vaccinated and the great majority did get vaccinated. This is common knowledge. But you can do a search on these topics yourself. Don't expect me to do everything for you. You just want to argue about every little thing. Obviously just being a stubborn denier. The simple fact is far more people per million population in the U.S. died from Covid than in Canada. Nobody disputes that. Google it.

With the vaccine, the mandates, and health measures Canada has done a far better job than the UK and the U.S. Both of those places have had a far greater number of deaths per capita than Canada.

Nonsense. Not moving any goalposts. The simple fact is vaccine mandates caused a large increase in the number of people getting vaccinated. Vaccination has proven to save many lives. It's simple logic. Mandates increased the number of vaccinated people and more vaccinated people means more lives are saved.

It is a matter of simple logic or extrapolation. If the unvaccinated in the 80 plus age group died at 14 times the rate of vaccinated people in that age group and unvaccinated in the 70 to 79 age group died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in the 70 to 79 age group, I think it proves that the vaccine is saving thousands of lives. "Without those shots and immunity gained from past infection, in fact, this current stage of the pandemic would have been far more lethal, notes one expert. “No one wants to imagine what the scenario would have looked like if Omicron was at the beginning of the pandemic, just ripping through the population,” said Dr. Zain Chagla, an infectious-disease professor at McMaster University. “We probably would have seen mass deaths, we probably would have seen long-term care facilities get destroyed.” I will go with what Public Health Ontario and people like Dr. Zain Chagla, an infectious disease doctor at McMaster University say.

quote Public Health Ontario put it in a different way in recently released data. In the 60 days leading up to Jan. 12, including the period when Omicron took hold, the unvaccinated in the most vulnerable 80-plus group were 14 times more likely to die from COVID than their fully vaccinated counterparts, while unvaccinated 70-to-79 year olds died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in their 70s, the agency said. Unquote I accept the information from the data from Public Health Ontario. Do you accept this information from Public Health Ontario?

Some of the figures in the article came from Public Health Ontario. What's wrong with that?

You replied back right away without even reading the article. What kind of proof do you want? The article has facts and figures. If you can't accept facts like that, what would satisfy you?

"In the 60 days leading up to Jan. 12, including the period when Omicron took hold, the unvaccinated in the most vulnerable 80-plus group were 14 times more likely to die from COVID than their fully vaccinated counterparts, while unvaccinated 70-to-79 year olds died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in their 70s, the agency said. And those are the age groups that account for eight in 10 deaths, now and before." Why Canada is still seeing so many people die from COVID | The Province

This article explains a little of why vaccination has saved mass lives: "Public Health Ontario put it in a different way in recently released data. In the 60 days leading up to Jan. 12, including the period when Omicron took hold, the unvaccinated in the most vulnerable 80-plus group were 14 times more likely to die from COVID than their fully vaccinated counterparts, while unvaccinated 70-to-79 year olds died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in their 70s, the agency said." Why Canada is still seeing so many people die from COVID | The Province Considering this it is hard to understand why some people would be so opposed to the mandates and health restrictions in this pandemic. Surely they could not want to see thousands of more people die when it has been avoided.

You realize you and others on here have not mentioned the fact that thousands of lives have been saved by the health restrictions and vaccine mandates. If it were not for those measures, thousands or perhaps tens of thousands more Canadians would have died from Covid. Would you prefer to allow unvaccinated nurses to work with patients in hospitals or unvaccinated long term care workers to work with old people in care homes? Those people are exceptionally vulnerable to dying from Covid. It is a fact that thousands died before we had vaccine and it was largely brought into care homes by workers who had been infected by Covid.

Anyone should lose a lot of rights when they become a law-breaking seditionist, which is what is happening today.

If you had been watching the news, you would have seen the frequent reports of harassment, threatened violence, intimidation of residents and anybody wearing a mask in Ottawa. Trucker convoy: PM says protesters have to stop | CTV News

You asked for a useful cite or reference on the benefits of Covid vaccination. This is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Benefits of Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC

You bring disrespect to the Canadian Forces veterans. I'm sure none of them would agree with you.

So you are an admitted law-breaker and an anarchist. Got it.