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A rational person would look into the revelation given to man by God and try to determine whether it is valid or not. Particularly the New Testament. According to the Bible, one has to make the choice of believing and going to heaven or not believing and going to hell. I am not a gifted speaker or trained evangelist and don't know how to put things diplomatically. I assume that's why I get accused of being arrogant. I suppose that is why many early Christians were thrown into the lion's den. Authorities didn't like the message. But the way I see it is if the King James Bible is true and I believe it is, then it means the wisest thing is to learn what the message is and believe it. That way one is insured of going to heaven. If one just assumes it is not true or refuses to read it, he is taking an awful big chance on being wrong. The consequences of that choice are hell for eternity according to what it teaches. Seems like a no-brainer. But nobody is forced to pay attention or believe it. God has given man a brain and the ability to read and understand it. So the ball is in man's court. What he does with the information is up to him. It seems clear to me that the universe didn't just come about by chance. I believe there is a reason for everything and a cause of the universe and mankind being here.

That comparison is called false equivalency. There is no comparison. Islamic extremists are killing people and groups of people every day somewhere in the world. The groups you mentioned don't. Seems like you don't accept the politically incorrect truth. "Boko Haram kills, ‘beheads with chainsaws’ 40 people to derail Nigeria elections. Militants from extremist group Boko Haram attacked several Nigerian towns, torching houses and fatally shooting those who fled before reportedly beheading some of the bodies with chainsaws. The string of terror attacks comes amid the presidential vote." Boko Haram kills, ‘beheads with chainsaws’ 40 people to derail Nigeria elections — RT World News Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth (thereligionofpeace.com)

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Your problem is you don't know how to discuss something with other people. For you it always has to descend into a mud-slinging contest. Forget it. If you don't want to discuss things rationally, just drop it.

No, I don't think so. I believe Moses wrote Genesis by inspiration from the Holy Spirit of God. What he wrote was a basic explanation of how God created the universe. Nothing complex about it. It is written so the average person could understand it.

False again. It's not rude or anything else. It is just a statement of belief from someone, in this case myself and how I understand the Bible.

Not really. Nothing I said is demanding you to accept it. That is just your interpretation. When people make comments on a forum, it is simply one's point of view. It might be stated in a way you don't like, but it is still just someone's belief and there is no big gun beside you forcing you to accept it. But you persist in your claim that it is forcing you to accept something and it is arrogant. No, it's not.

I think the statement in Genesis ch1 about the creation was a general statement with literal days. I don't really think it can be dissected to try to find discrepancies. That's not the intent of the account given. It is just a simple statement explaining God created the universe in six days.

You need to read some books like Refuting Evolution written by a PhD. I think you can read much of this one online at; Appendix 1: Common arguments for evolution that have been rejected (creation.com) " Rejected argument 1: Similarities between embryos1 Most people have heard that the human embryo goes through various evolutionary stages, such as having gill slits like a fish, a tail like a monkey, etc. This concept, pretentiously called the ‘biogenetic law,’ was popularized by the German evolutionist Ernst Haeckel in the late 1860s. It is also known as ‘embryonic recapitulation’ or ‘ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny,’ meaning that during an organism’s early development it supposedly re-traces its evolutionary history. Although this idea was based on a fraud and has been debunked by many high-profile scientists, the idea persists. Even textbooks in the 1990s were still using Haeckel’s fraudulent drawings.2"

I'm afraid you lost me there. I don't follow what you are saying. What is your point?

NO, it is not a fact. Far from it. It is a dogma often called Darwinism. It is in a way a religion to many people. It is unproven. It is purely conjecture and has been debunked by some scientists. " It would be better to say that particles-to-people Evolution is an unsubstantiated hypothesis or conjecture." - creation.com

I think the word day is used to mean 24 hours. The whole creation was done in six literal days. I don't see a problem with that understanding.

No. Just because I state something from the Bible, you call it arrogant. It would make more sense to just discuss something with reasons rather than calling people names such as arrogant.

" 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. " I just accept it as stated. No need to try to dissect every word or reinterpret it.

‘Evolution is not proven fact, so it should not be promoted dogmatically.’ Yet it is taught in schools as if it is a fact.

I'm not sure what your point is. You seem to be trying to whitewash support for terrorism in the Muslim world. You can't because it is a fact. Makes me wonder if you and Michael are Muslims or supporters of Islam. If so, just say so and we can move on. Maybe discuss that aspect. From the figures on Wikipedia, there must be a lot of Muslims who disagree with terrorism.

Many say those are literal days. Because of the way it is written, it appears to be speaking in a literal manner. Since it was a supernatural event, of course it could happen in six days. With God nothing is impossible.

I don't claim what I said is "proof". I gave what I believe is evidence or logic. Nobody was there when it happened. So nobody has proof in the form of science or scientific method. There are no eye witnesses. There was nobody who saw any so-called Big Bang. The Big Bang theory has been dismissed by many for several reasons. First what caused the Big Bang? Every action has to have a cause. Where did the material come from to cause the beginning of the universe? You claim something can come from nothing, unless it is a supernatural action. If you are speaking about natural events, any scientists would say nothing can come from nothing. There has to be a cause. For there to be something happen, there had to have been something to cause it, whether it is energy of some type or particles or something. You need to recognize that and admit you are in error.

According to Genesis in the Bible, God created everything in six days. Now while the Bible doesn't say when this actually happened, by looking at the geneology of the descendants of Adam and Eve, it is believed to have occurred about six thousand years ago or so. So the billions of years for the age of the earth is false. If you want to read more about this go to creation.com There are thousands of articles and videos explaining all this. The main point is this was a supernatural act that happened.

Its simple logic. Nothing does not produce something. Therefore in the beginning the universe could not appear out of nothing without a cause. Every effect has a cause. The universe had a beginning and that had a cause. Secondly, because of the intricate design and complexity, there had to have been information put into the universe for it to function. That required an intelligence to design it. The complexity of living organisms therefore required vast amounts of information built into them to function. That too required a designer with infinite intelligence. It boils down to simple logic. There is no viable alternative explanation for the existence of everything. Laws of logic and rational deduction. Just saying it all happened by itself or by accident explains nothing. The universe had to have been created. It required a Creator to do that.

LOL You need to relax a bit and think instead of going bizzerk. You will never learn anything the way you are going. God created everything you see around you. Nothing could exist without God. The atoms, molecules, energy, etc. all are very intricately designed and function according to precise laws of physics. Those did not just happen out of the blue without a designer -Creator. They required intelligent design. It's not complicated to see that. Did you ever notice the beauty in birds, or flowers? That didn't just happen by chance. They were created that way.

That is a misleading sentence. If there are two billion Muslims in the world and tens of millions of them are supportive of terrorism to varying degrees, that is no small number and is something to be concerned about. You seem to be whitewashing the problem.

That's not what this information on Wikipedia says. Have a look at it. " Islam is the fastest-growing major religion in the world, mostly because Muslims have more children than other major religious groups.[4][5] Most Muslims are either of two denominations: Sunni (87–90%, roughly 1.7 billion people)[6] or Shia (10–13%, roughly 180–230 million people).[7] Islam is the majority religion in several subregions: Central Asia, West Asia, North Africa, West Africa," - Wikipedia So there are close to two billion Muslims in the world and it is the fastest growing religion. In many of those countries, a significant percentage were found to support Hama and Hezbollah, both terrorist organizations in the middle east. Also from the figures I gave you, even if a small percentage are generally supportive of terrorism, that amounts to millions of supporters of terrorism. So a vast majority of 2 billion still leaves millions that appear to support terrorism in some countries. Not a pleasant concept. "A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[8] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them," 6% of Muslims in Britain or 100,000 individuals supported the 2005 bombings in the London underground. Why are these people even allowed to remain in Britain? If you extrapolate and use the 6% figure (it could be much higher in Islamic countries), that would equal at least 6% of 2 billion people. That is a large number of terrorist supporters. Nothing to trivialize. If you use 6% as the figure and in Islamic countries it could be several times that, the number of Muslims that support terrorism could be between 6% and 18% of 2 billion, which means tens of millions of people may support terrorism in various countries. Is that the kind of religion that people should be following? The number of followers is increasing. Certainly not the kind of thing that Jesus or the Bible advocates. Muslim attitudes toward terrorism - Wikipedia One would be taking his life in his hands by visiting many of these countries and one certainly would be at great risk to be a non-Muslim living in those countries.

Actually in surveys taken, significant parts or number of people in Muslim countries do support terrorism in some forms or time. It is nowhere near a microscopic part of religious belief. "Opposition to Hamas was the majority opinion in only 4 out of the 16 countries surveyed, as was opposition to Hezbollah." "A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[8] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers." Muslim attitudes toward terrorism - Wikipedia It is a common myth that the support for terrorism among Muslims is microscopic. It may be different in Canada. I haven't seen any surveys, but in the countries in this article, support for terrorism is significant in some places.

The fact is the word reason is a very broad and lose word that can be applied to anything. You claim whatever you say is based on "reason". I believe some words like reason, science, fact have always been used to make false arguments. Just claiming something is reason or fact does not make it so. False claims are often made with the argument that it is reason and fact. I'll give you an example. The theory of evolution or Darwinism claims mankind evolved from the scum in a pond. This is often put forward as "scientific fact". Wow! This is a smear against genuine science. Real science is based on the scientific method which means establishing a fact by repeatable experiment and observation of certain facts. " A dinosaur turning into a bird 150 Ma (million years ago) is neither observable in real time, directly or indirectly, nor repeatable." Therefore this example of evolution is not a fact. It is only a theory because it has never been observed and never nothing similar even has ever been done. People need to learn the difference between scientific fact or knowledge and theory. Evolution is pure theory and has been shot full of holes by many scientists themselves. The Biblical account of creation is a record of a supernatural event which occurred. It is not attempting to explain the universe in scientific terms. God created science. Science did not create God. So what people call reason or fact does conflict with Biblical revelation on the subject of how the universe came about and who God is.