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  1. The leftist, progressive liberals calls anyone who believes in the Bible or is Christian a racist. That is old news. It means nothing. The country is not a "secular" country. Never has been. There are still millions of people with various religious beliefs and it is their right to believe what they choose. The liberal left want to turn the country to a heathen/pagan country as much as possible. But there are a few of us who are not buying it and we know it leads down a dark path.
  2. You have admitted your lack of understanding in trying to equate western Judeo-Christian beliefs and culture with the heathenism in the jungles of Africa or Borneo or some place. I don't imply western Judeo-Christian culture is superior; I simply observe that it is superior. That is not racism and is nothing to be ashamed of. You have been brainwashed by the woke who have no understanding of the real world. If you think the heathen practices of scalping, offering human sacrifices, taking slaves, brutalizing slaves, treating women as inferior slaves, and all the rest of it is civilized and acceptable behavior, you have a problem. If you think putting a bone or ring through one's nose or lip and going around naked or covered in paint makes sense, what can I say. You would rather mock those who believe in the Bible and claim the heathen in the jungle have an equally admirable culture or Islam's teachings are equal to the Bible or Christianity, you have a big problem. Is this what they taught you in the Anglican religion? If that is the case, it has nothing to do with the Bible. The Bible is not allegorical or heavily edited. That is fiction.
  3. You just had to throw "racism" into the discussion even though I said nothing against any race or skin colour. The books of the New Testament were determined by believers in the early centuries based on what the Scriptures actually said. Some other books were dismissed as heretical or false. Had nothing to do with wealth or privilege. The believers were led by God the Holy Spirit, just as people are today in determining what is true and what is false. The Old Testament was the Hebrew Bible that existed centuries before the Church age began 2,000 years ago. Again nothing to do with wealth or privilege. The fact is every religion cannot be true. There can only be one comprehensive truth which is what the Bible reveals and exposes the falseness of other religions. Belief in the truth of God's word has nothing at all to do with racism, but everything to do with what is truth. There are believers in the Bible in every country and among every race. If you have never really studied the Bible, you are not really in a position to criticize or comment on it.
  4. One of the problems with so-called "multiculturalism" should be very simple to understand. Canada was founded on Judeo-Christian civilization originating in Europe. While there are many who have apostate or many false ideas, there were also people who held biblical beliefs down through history. Many principles came with the European settlers such as the dignity and worth of the individual and gradually resulted in enshrining concepts of human rights, democracy, religious freedom, and the western ideas of the rule of law applied equally to both genders, as well as the equality of the sexes. This is not the case in many third world countries. Unfortunately, these Judeo-Christian principles do not exist in many parts of the third world such as Asia, Africa, the middle east, central America. These are areas where today Christians are heavily persecuted and killed for their faith. Yet many European settlers who started Canada brought with them beliefs in freedoms and human rights for the individual. But here we are today having multiculturalism forced on us which results in bringing millions of people in from the third world who do not share the same belief systems where they came from. If anyone thinks this is not having a negative impact they should think again. Many of them simply do not understand these historic Judeo-Christian beliefs or why the original settlers held them. Many immigrants are quite willing to vote for Marxist or Socialist type governments, (NDP and left leaning liberals) and embrace secular humanist ideas that are contrary to Judeo-Christian beliefs. Some of them don't even understand our Constitutional Monarchy and want to get rid of it. What would they replace it with? A dictatorship such as where they came from in Africa, the middle east, or Asia? So yes, multiculturalism does have a negative influence on society in Canada.
  5. You said "What is wrong is that you think the scribblings and proclamations of a bunch of wealthy, privileged clerics and bureaucrats from 2000 years ago..." Actually that is not correct. The apostles and prophets were not wealthy or privileged clerics. In fact the authors of the Bible came from all walks of life. quote Ultimately, above the human authors, the Bible was written by God. Second Timothy 3:16 tells us that the Bible was “breathed out” by God. God superintended the human authors of the Bible so that, while using their own writing styles and personalities, they still recorded exactly what God intended. The Bible was not dictated by God, but it was perfectly guided and entirely inspired by Him. Humanly speaking, the Bible was written by approximately 40 men of diverse backgrounds over the course of 1500 years. Isaiah was a prophet, Ezra was a priest, Matthew was a tax-collector, John was a fisherman, Paul was a tentmaker, Moses was a shepherd, Luke was a physician. Despite being penned by different authors over 15 centuries, the Bible does not contradict itself and does not contain any errors. The authors all present different perspectives, but they all proclaim the same one true God, and the same one way of salvation—Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Few of the books of the Bible specifically name their author. Here are the books of the Bible along with the name of who is most assumed by biblical scholars to be the author, along with the approximate date of authorship: unquote Who were the authors of the books of the Bible? | GotQuestions.org Science tells us the universe is expanding. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume it had a beginning at some point in time. If a theological debate or whatever kind of debate you wish to call it is a waste of time, why are you on the forum debating anything at all. Why should anyone contradict you if you think it is a waste of time. Do you have a closed mind to everything? That is the only conclusion one could draw from your statement that a debate is a waste of time. I did not say my point of view is wiser than observable science or other views from other parts of the world. I gave you the reasons for my view and science supports what I have told you. I simply believe that science, logic, evidence of the creation proves that it was created by a superior intelligence. The argument for that point of view is based on science, what famous scientists believed, logic, and rational thinking, and the testimony of Holy Scriptures. You have put forward nothing to counter those arguments. On top of all the reasons I gave you, there is the simple philosophical reason and that is the question of why we are here. Dismissing God as the reason leaves the atheist with no explanation as to why we are here, for what purpose? If you accept that God is not involved, you must conclude that we are just an accident in the cosmos. That there is no ultimate purpose for our being. You must conclude we are here by nothing, for nothing. That makes no sense whosoever. If you believe we are just an accident then you would have to conclude we are just a bunch of chemicals that happened to come together to form a complex living organism. We have no purpose and our existence is meaningless. Take your choice. Atheist scientists cannot answer that one. Others with a little more faith can tell you there is more to it than what atheists say. They have no purpose or explanation for existence.
  6. You said "If the universe needed a creator, then the creator would need a creator too. There's can't be nothing." This is the central fallacy of atheist thinking. They can't think beyond the material universe we are in. The answer to that is very simple really if you take the time to think. We are talking about a God who is not a material being. As the Bible reveals, God is a spirit and separate from the material universe. If he required a higher being to create him, he would not be God. Therefore, it stands to reason that God is eternal, omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. This is often referred to as a supernatural being and the subject is supernatural, that is, beyond what we normally think of as something material or tangible that you can see or touch. The Bible and logic tells us that this God is eternal or always existed. He therefore did not need a Creator or higher being. Many people may have trouble wrapping their mind around this because they tend to think of everything as part of the material universe which exists and can be seen or measured. But one must change their thinking about that. That requires broadening one's thinking. The evidence points to a supernatural, intelligent designer, or Creator, we call God. To summarize the evidence includes: 1. The immense complexity of the material universe. The vast amount of computer like data stored in a single cell. Darwinism or Evolution cannot produce new or that kind of information. The information had to have been placed in the cell when it was designed and created. 2. The laws of physics are so incredible, precise and again could not have happened by some kind of cosmic accident. The very existence of atoms, energy, molecules, gravity, etc. had to have had a beginning and a Creator. They required an intelligent designer. The solar system for example which is held in place by gravity and the motion of the planets around the sun required these laws of physics to be able to exist and operate. This gives us the seasons on earth and the weather, etc. Some of the greatest scientists that ever lived in the around the 17th century recognized this all required God. It is pure nonsense to think it could all have happened by some kind of cosmic accident. 3. The immense complexity of living things has vast amounts of computer like data stored in it and all operates in concert to function as they do. Again the theory of evolution cannot account for the information required because random chance processes does not produce information. The computer like data and systems that operate living things right down to the basic cell is so complex it is far beyond the most advanced computer systems man has built. In fact there are multiple systems operating in a cell. Information must be designed and created by an external being we call God. 4. Darwinism has been shown to be unsupported because if it were a fact, there would be millions of transitional fossils showing the evolution between the different species for example. They do not exist. Empirical science does not support evolutionism. The scientific method requires proof and claims must be substantiated. Darwinism or evolution is unsubstantiated and is a religion, not science. Yet in many quarters it is taught as a fact by atheists who cannot accept the simple logic that the universe required an intelligent designer creator. Beliefs like this are not "enforced". It is not possible to force someone to accept this understanding. It is an individual choice to some extent.
  7. Thinking all religious beliefs is superstition is pretty dumb. How much thought have you really put into it? Very little it appears. Simple logic should tell you that the universe and everything in it including mankind did not just appear out of nowhere. Sound science tells us the universe is expanding. Logically that would mean it had a beginning at some point in time. Therefore, where did it come from? The law of cause and effect means the universe must have had a cause. The existence of the universe is an effect which had a cause. Since matter cannot create itself, it must have come from somewhere. That leaves only one conclusion that many scientists are admitting to: That it had to have been a supernatural cause. They are finding that even the simplest living cell is so incredibly complex that it simply could not have evolved. A cell has vast data banks of DNA information that carry out many functions. It has machinery built into it that operate according to the vast amount of information built into the cell. None of this could have happened by random chance processes as the discredited theory of evolution claimed. It is just too complex. It required an intelligent designer Creator. In fact if you consider the laws of physics that govern how the universe operates, the gravity that holds galaxies together, the gravity that holds the solar system together and keeps the earth in position so that we get the 24 hour days with sunshine to grow the agriculture and make life possible, the motion of the planet that gives us the four seasons, and on and on; you have to admit this all required a super intelligent designer Creator. So don't talk about "superstititon" which is complete nonsense. The universe had to have been created out of nothing by an infinitely powerful and knowledgeable Creator we call God. Now that doesn't mean all religions are worshiping the same God. There can be only truth about God, not countless different truths. The truth of God is revealed first in his creation all around us. Secondly, he has revealed himself to mankind in his written revelation, the Bible. Since God is a fact and without God , there would be nothing. Mankind has always had an inner sense that there is a God out there or in some beliefs, multiple gods. So your claim that secularism is the destiny is doubtful. Our liberal left government is trying to push the country in that direction and make it a kind of secular society, but not everyone is buying it. Since the beginning man has always believed in a God (or gods in false religion). Many may take up some false religions. Many may fall away from belief in the one true God, but it is doubtful that everyone will fall into the completely secular category.
  8. But the feds and province allowing foreigners and people who live in China and Hong Kong to buy it did help drive the price up and caused a shortage in major cities like Vancouver. As part of the feds multicultural policy they give Canada's valuable real estate away to people in Hong Kong or China who are only using it to make money or secure their investment. The influences from the Chinese disapora in politics in Canada is huge.
  9. Well thought out. There are endless problems which could arise out of a multicultural policy. Just one for example. Vancouver BC is now 28.8% Chinese and Richmond, BC is over 50% Chinese. Nothing wrong with most Chinese people. They are quite cordial and friendly. The problem in the greater Vancouver area is the cost of real estate for ordinary Canadians is out of sight. This problem has been exacerbated by a provincial and federal government who have allowed foreigners to buy up real estate in the major cities of Vancouver, Victoria, Toronto, etc. even if they don't live in them. Billions of dollars worth of real estate including multi-million dollar homes and high rises, apartments buildings etc. has been purchased by people who do not even reside in the city. There are 300,000 people living in Hong Kong who hold Canadian citizenship. Many people who become wealthy in China, want to secure their wealth so the Communist party cannot grab it; so they invest it in real estate in Vancouver BC or other major cities in Canada. This has driven the price of real estate upward until it is out of reach of ordinary Canadians. This is all part of the unthinking politician's multicultural ideology, but without protecting Canadians from the consequences of doling out citizenship to anyone and allowing anyone in the world to buy real estate in Canada. Real estate particularly in Vancouver, BC and other major cities has become a kind of security and investment holding for many Asians, many of whom don't even live in Canada. They know it is a very good investment, safe, and the Communists in their own country cannot touch it. Canada is also under constant political pressure from the Chinese disapora in Canada, which is huge, to treat China with kids gloves even though the Communist Party is very brutal with the Uiygurs and anyone else who questions anything or steps out of line. China is Canada's second largest trading partner. One must wonder how this could happen considering the lack of human rights in China. But the huge demographic in Canada also led to a Liberal minister of Defence to attend the 70th anniversary of the Communist revolution, a dinner put on in Vancouver by the benevolent society. Canada's government is very mixed up and multiculturalism is one possible cause.
  10. I never said the number of people in each religion proved the number of people being persecuted. You just made that line up. The actual numbers of Christians persecuted and killed is what matters, not the number of people following a particular religion. Last year 5,898 Christians were murdered around the world for their faith. The countries with the worst record of persecution and murder are shown on the website below. The countries which conduct extreme persecution are listed as well. One should understand and take this seriously and not just dismiss it as nothing. You will stand before God one day and your dismissal of the persecution and murder of God's saints will be noted. Serving Persecuted Christians Worldwide - World Watch List 2021 - Open Doors UK & Ireland
  11. Something worth examining is the Parliamentary Press Gallery. It is made up of mainstream media. These are the media broadcasters who have an inside access to Trudeau and the Liberals. But others who seriously question Trudeau and his close ally, the NDP, are excluded and not allowed to attend press conferences which only the insiders like CBC, CTV, etc. are allowed to attend. Does anyone seriously think they can be trusted to give unbiased reporting on Trudeau and the Liberals? So the question is do certain media get paid off by the Liberals? The answer is in this arrangement. If you are part of the Parliamentary Press Gallery, you are given special privileges to attend Trudeau and Liberal media scrums that outsider journalists cannot have access to. That certainly can be interpreted as a payment or special favour. "Parliamentary press gallery breaks rules for Russia, BANS Rebel News" Parliamentary press gallery breaks rules for Russia, BANS Rebel News - Rebel News The problem of a Liberal bias in the media is very real LILLEY: There's Liberal media bias on the Hill but Akin isn't problem | Toronto Sun
  12. We obviously can't communicate. Let's just give it up. I wish you the best in your life and hope you can find the truth.
  13. What facts do you have to back up your claim that Christianity is no more or no less discriminated against than any other religion? Obviously just your biased opinion. quote Over the past year, I have written of the intolerance that Christians have shown to Muslims in the U.S. From Missouri to Murphreesboro, Christians have demonstrated both a lack of charity and a denial of the right to religious liberty by setting fire to old mosques and opposing new ones. But Christians in the U.S. are rank amateurs compared to the Muslim persecution of Christians in the Middle East. In early November, German Chancellor Angela Merkel declared that Christianity is "the most persecuted religion in the world." Although met with predictable criticism, Rupert Short's recent research report for Civitas UK confirms Merkel's claim -- we may not want to hear it, but Christianity is in peril, like no other religion. While this is a contest no one wants to win, Short shows that "Christians are targeted more than any other body of believers." Short is the author of the recently published Christianophobia: A Faith Under Attack. He is concerned that "200 million Christians (10 percent of the global total) are socially disadvantaged, harassed or actively oppressed for their beliefs." Christianity is facing elimination in its Biblical homeland. Between a half and two-thirds of Christians in the Middle East have departed or been killed over the past century. Short attributes the intolerance and violence towards Christians to the rising Islamicization of Middle Eastern countries. Some of the oppression is government sanctioned and some government permitted; most is government ignored. Short looks at the plight of Christians in the Middle East, country by country. When it comes to religious oppression, the devil, one might say, is in the details. unquote Continued at: The Most Persecuted Religion in the World | HuffPost The World Post
  14. Discrimination against Jews is a world-wide fact and has been going on for 1,700 years culminating in the holocaust. The U.N. is anti-Jewish and passed many motions against Israel. Muslims are not discriminated against in Israel. They hold elected office and are the major workers in the construction and trucking industries. But it is a mistake to think followers of all religions are being persecuted to the extent of persecution against Jews and Christians around the world. I gave you the statistics but you simply ignore them. Muslims are not persecuted in western countries to any degree, but Christians are widely persecuted around the world.
  15. quote British multiculturalists are feeding Islamic fundamentalism. Muslims do not need to become the majority in the UK; they just need gradually to Islamize the most important cities. The change is already taking place. British personalities keep opening the door to introducing Islamic sharia law. One of the leading British judges, Sir James Munby, said that Christianity no longer influences the courts and these must be multicultural, which means more Islamic. Rowan Williams, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, and Chief Justice Lord Phillips, also suggested that the English law should "incorporate" elements of sharia law. British universities are also advancing Islamic law. The academic guidelines, "External speakers in higher education institutions", provide that "orthodox religious groups" may separate men and women during events. At the Queen Mary University of London, women have had to use a separate entrance and were forced to sit in a room without being able to ask questions or raise their hands, just as in Riyadh or Tehran. "London is more Islamic than many Muslim countries put together", according to Maulana Syed Raza Rizvi, one of the Islamic preachers who now lead "Londonistan", as the journalist Melanie Phillips has called the English capital. No, Rizvi is not a right-wing extremist. Wole Soyinka, a Nobel Laureate for Literature, was less generous; he called the UK "a cesspit for Islamists". "Terrorists can not stand London multiculturalism", London's mayor Sadiq Khan said after the recent deadly terror attack at Westminster. The opposite is true: British multiculturalists are feeding Islamic fundamentalism. Above all, Londonistan, with its new 423 mosques, is built on the sad ruins of English Christianity. The Hyatt United Church was bought by the Egyptian community to be converted to a mosque. St Peter's Church has been converted into the Madina Mosque. The Brick Lane Mosque was built on a former Methodist church. Not only buildings are converted, but also people. The number of converts to Islam has doubled; often they embrace radical Islam, as with Khalid Masood, the terrorist who struck Westminster. unquote Londonistan: 423 New Mosques; 500 Closed Churches :: Gatestone Institute Is this the destiny for Canada? CBC appears to be a strong advocate for Islam and Multiculturalism in the people they have hosting programs and pundits commenting on politics. Some immigrants in Canada have been on television recently during the Queen's death coverage and some saying we should get rid of the Constitutional monarchy even though they must have sworn allegiance to her majesty in order to obtain citizenship. Meanwhile the government continues to bring in immigrants who are not sincere about being loyal to our Constitutional monarchy.
  16. Are you serious? Maybe you are one of the persecutors trying to justify yourself? Here is just one website about Trudeau's comment: Canada’s Justin Trudeau: Religious Christians “Worst Part Of Society” – Online Ministries (online-ministries.org) As for persecution of Christians in the world, it is widespread. 245 Million: In the top 50 World Watch List countries alone, 245 million Christians in the world experience high levels of persecution for their choice to follow Christ. 1 in 9: Christians worldwide experience high levels of persecution 14%: The rise in the number of Christians in the top 50 countries on the 2019 World Watch List (WWL) who experience high levels of persecution. (from the 2018 reporting period to 2019’s) 4,136: Christians killed for faith-related reasons in the top 50 WWL countries. 2,625: Christians detained without trial, arrested, sentenced and imprisoned in the top 50 WWL countries. 1,266: churches or Christian buildings attacked in the top 50 WWL countries. 7 out of 9: In seven of the countries in the World Watch List’s top 10, the primary cause of persecution is Islamic oppression. 11: countries scoring in the “extreme” level for their persecution of Christians. Five years ago, North Korea was the only one. 18: Consecutive years North Korea has ranked No. 1 as the world’s most dangerous place for Christians. Watch the 2019 World Watch List video below: Christian Persecution by the Numbers - Open Doors USA - Open Doors USA Every Month 105: churches attacked, burned or vandalized each month, in the top 50 WWL countries Every Day 11: Christians killed every day for their faith, in the top 50 WWL countries. By the Continent 1 out of 6: Christians in Africa that experience high levels of persecution. 1 out of 3: Christians in Asia that experience high levels of persecution. 1 out of 21: Christians in South America who experience high levels of persecution. Islam is legal in Canada and often Canada bends over backwards to accommodate them. There are mosques in many cities. Same in France, UK, and other countries in Europe. For the first time more people in England attend mosques than Anglicans attend churches. Just see what happens to Christians in Afghanistan, Pakistan and many other places.
  17. What does the New Testament say about homosexuality? | GotQuestions.org
  18. Truth is hate for those that hate the truth. Canada’s Justin Trudeau: Religious Christians “Worst Part Of Society” – Online Ministries (online-ministries.org)
  19. Canada’s Justin Trudeau: Religious Christians “Worst Part Of Society” Judeo-Christianity built western civilization over the last 2,000 years and has developed human rights and democracy which is non-existent in much of the rest of the world, particularly Islamic countries, where Christians are persecuted. So I don't know where Trudeau is coming from. Canada’s Justin Trudeau: Religious Christians “Worst Part Of Society” – Online Ministries (online-ministries.org)
  20. Trudeau said years ago to a minister something to the effect that Evangelical Christians were not the best Canadians. Isn't that inciting hatred? Christians are persecuted around the world especially in places like Afghanistan where they do not dare show they are Christians openly. Canada and the west was built on Judeo-Christian culture. So what is it with this PM? He visited mosques and put on their cloth but attacked evangelical Christians in Canada. There is already enough bigotry and hatred in Canada without having the leader incite more. Are American Christians on the path to severe persecution for their faith? (msn.com)
  21. Christians are under increasing persecution by the left, progressives, LGBTQ, etc. It is obvious by some of the comments made on these forums and this news article talks about it. It is not as bad as other parts of the world such as Afghanistan where nobody can be a Christian openly. There are many places like that. But here in the west Christians are persecuted by being called bigots, haters, and even accused of wanting Lesbians stoned, which is about as absurd as it gets. Trudeau himself helped to fire the anti-Christian bigotry when he said something to the effect that Evangelical Christians are not good Canadians or did he say the worst Canadians? I can't remember off hand, but will look it up. Imagine a leader of a western democracy, which was built on Judeo-Christian culture and civilization saying something like that. Inciting hate. Are American Christians on the path to severe persecution for their faith? (msn.com)
  22. I think I already explained to you or maybe someone else, that politics is not Christianity and it is not the church. There are only two parties to vote for in America. (I am not in America, but will try to answer) The only choice that has any chance of being elected are either Democrats and Republicans. This is not a vote for Christian parties as I said. A Christian is really just choosing the lesser evil. Democrats lean more to Socialism, progressivism (LGBTQ stuff taught in schools, trans people rights to use women's washrooms, etc., open borders, climate change radicalism, and the big thing, abortion, which is killing millions of unborn babies. The idea that millions of migrants should be able to just walk in is repugnant to many people who believe in law and order and the sanctity of borders and the immigration system. Every country controls their borders and controls the immigration. Why should America be any different. Why should they just tear down their borders and allow the world to walk in? I don't understand your thinking. I don't see the Bible teaching on that. So when Christians vote, they are not necessarily voting for Trump or DeSantis. As far as I can see, they are voting for the lesser evil. They see Biden and Democrats supporting all those things I listed. That's really all there is to it. It certainly doesn't mean they support Trump's lifestyle or behavior. You seem to think that Jesus was some kind of Socialist or Communist. I don't think so. Jesus taught Christians should be charitable and I believe many are. I have met Christians who give a lot to charity. I know there were some Christians who were successful in business and gave lots of money. They were instrumental in building a Christian school and a church. They gave plenty. Others gave too. Jesus never taught that government should be Socialist or Communist and take wealth by force from people to redistribute. Karl Marx and others taught that one. When preachers pray on television, they are doing that because they are leading a ministry to their followers or viewers on television. Nothing wrong with that. How else could they do it? That doesn't mean all TV evangelists are good or honest. The world is a crooked place and there are scammers in every walk of life. One must be careful who they give money to. Television broadcasting is extremely expensive to begin with and it does take a lot of money to run a program. The Old Testament commands given to Israel about stoning for adultery and other things were only meant to apply to Israel at that time and do not apply to Christians in the church age in the last 2,000 years. The Bible cannot be interpreted without understanding which parts were addressed to who and what time period. Also, most Christians are ordinary people just trying to work and earn a living like everyone else. Many are very immature and do not know a whole lot about the Bible teachings. Becoming a Christian does not require a degree in Bible knowledge or doctrines. It is a simple matter of accepting Christ as one's Savior and Lord and believing he died for their sins on the cross and was raised from the dead. Believing that he is God. Some Christians learn more over time but everyone is different and lead different lives. Your claim that Evangelical Christians are too judgmental of other sins but not their own. I have met many Christians but never heard that kind of thing before. I have not witnessed it either. Sounds more like something you invented to try to attack Christians. They are taught there are sins and taught that some things are wrong. That is what the Bible teaches. But the Bible also teaches we were all born in sin and have a sinful corrupt heart. That is why we need to be born again and turn from sin. Your idea that only Evangelicals point out certain sins is off base, unless Evangelicals are the only ones following the Bible. What is your religious background? What do you believe about Jesus Christ and your own sins? Some might point out certain sins in a certain situation or discussion forum such as this, but there is nothing necessarily wrong with that. The Bible teaches believers to have no fellowship with evil but to renounce it. So how would it be possible to be a follower of Christ and his word, the Bible, without defending what Jesus (God) taught in his word? So I don't know exactly where you're coming from on that. You want everyone to just shut up and let the world go to hell. I don't think that's what Jesus taught. We are to be gracious as much as possible and be loving. But we must always stand up for the truth. Sometimes a child must be spanked in love to correct him. That's the way life is. Saying nothing about anything and just approving of every evil in the world is nonsensical, non-biblical and actually serves the Devil rather than God. You said give an example of one Evangelical leader standing up to big business. Well, I would say there is nothing necessarily wrong with big business, billionaires or rich people. The idea that they are evil and wealth is evil is a Communist idea. The NDP in Canada thinks wealth is wrong because they want to enforce their Socialist or Communist policies through government and confiscate the wealth of big business and corporations. Their leader Jagmeet Singh says so often. But Jesus and the Bible never taught that wealth was wrong. The Bible clearly teaches taking the wealth of others is stealing. How the social gospel people reconcile that I don't understand. Wealthy people who invest their wealth in the stock market and corporations is what creates good-paying jobs and generates wealth and prosperity for the nation.
  23. Fair point. Something that is worth looking into more. I always like to examine things like that to get a better understanding. Some people claim to be atheists and others will claim to believe in God, but may not believe in Christ. Belief in Christ as one's personal savior (and that he is God) and that he died for our sins and was raised from the dead is essential for salvation. -- gospel of John.
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According to the following information, the Bible had a lot to do with the American system of government. quote Universal Recognition of Almighty God in State Constitutions Nearly all of the fifty states recognize God in the Preambles or the Declaration of Rights of their state constitutions in one or more of the following phrases: “invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God” “endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights” “grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land” “grateful to Almighty God for our liberties” “grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government; for our civil and religious liberty” “with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe”“acknowledging with gratitude, the good providence of God, in having permitted them to enjoy a free government” “Through Divine goodness, all men have by nature the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences” “being grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty” “relying upon the protection and guidance of Almighty God” “grateful for Divine Guidance” “grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He has permitted us to enjoy and seeking His blessing upon our endeavors” “grateful to ALMIGHTY GOD for the free exercise of the right to choose our own form of government” “grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of those blessings” “acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity, so favorable to the design; and, imploring God's aid and direction in its accomplishment” “acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the goodness of the great Legislator of the universe, in affording us, in the course of His providence, an opportunity, deliberately and peaceably, without fraud, violence or surprise, of entering into an original, explicit, and solemn compact with each other; and of forming a new constitution of civil government, for ourselves and posterity; and devoutly imploring His direction in so interesting a design” “grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work” “with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness” “grateful to God for the quiet beauty of our state, the grandeur of our mountains, the vastness of our rolling plains” “grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing upon our endeavors to secure and transmit the same unimpaired to succeeding generations” “grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for the preservation of the American Union and the existence of our civil, political and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those blessings to us and our posterity” “grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance” “grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing upon our endeavors to secure and to transmit the same, unimpaired, to succeeding generations” “Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty….” Oath Taking – A Recognition of Man’s Duty to God Nearly every state requires public officials to take an oath upon entering their term of service. To the Founders, oath taking was very special. They knew one does not take an oath to people. The oath is taken to God, hence, in nearly every state constitution the words “so help me God” are required at the end of the oath. Furthermore, some state constitutions deny elective office to anyone who does not believe in God, recognizing the situation that if a person who doesn’t belief in the existence of God is required to take an oath to God, it would be meaningless and of no binding effect upon the man’s conscience. Some states constitutions also forbid a non-believer from giving testimony in court, realizing that his oath to God “to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” would have no binding effect. In other words his testimony could not be relied upon for the truth. The following words are examples found in some state constitutions. Note that, to the Founders, these words were not in conflict with the prohibition of a religious test found in Article VI of the U. S. Constitution which was meant only to prohibit a sectarian or denominational test. It is also interesting to note that many states were adopting constitutions at a time when modern anti-Creator theories were being perpetrated from the likes of Karl Marx and Charles Darwin. It seems the authors of state constitutions wanted it clearly known that they, with America’s Founders, knew the source of their freedoms and liberties and that all public officials must have a belief in a Supreme Being to whom they feel accountable. Hear their words in their state constitutions: “No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court.” “The manner of administering an oath or affirmation shall be such as is most consistent with the conscience of the deponent, and shall be esteemed by the General Assembly the most solemn appeal to God.” “That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God” “The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.” “No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth.” “In God We Trust” Even though the phrase “In God We Trust” was later officially adopted by Congress as the nation’s motto, original histories of the United States are filled with accounts affirming the Founders’ belief that all things were created by God and that upon Him are all mankind equally dependent and to Him they are equally responsible. Sincerely, Earl Taylor, Jr. unquote America’s Dependence on and Accountability to the Creator (nccs.net) The idea that church and state can be separated is really a nonsensical phrase. It is an oversimplification of the whole subject and does not reflect reality. As we can see, Christian culture and Biblical principles have been deeply rooted in American government and thinking. Today the atheists want to remove them but I don't know what kind of heathen nation it would result in. It would not be good. Maybe they want some kind of Communist system.
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