blackbird

So you asked a question and I answered but you still don't accept the answer. Nothing anyone says means a thing to you. You are not here to discuss anything.

You are the one who asked if drugs can be used to keep people doped up and I simply answered your question. So all you've got is another comment about God being my problem.

No, I don't believe in subjecting people to medical intervention or drugs to simply keep them alive if their situation is such that it is not warranted. Doctors regularly remove extraordinary life supports when the situation is such that it is doing more harm than good. This is not the same as actively ending someone's life by giving medicines to kill the person. We need to understand the difference. I have already explained why MAID is wrong. It is actively killing a person.

No I am not denying that. I just believe there are pain relief medications and most importantly, I believe man does not have the right to end someone's life under the heading of mercy killing. Only God can end life. To actively end human life for mercy reasons is contrary to God's law against killing.

quote Some people question whether or not it is appropriate for a Christian to take pain medication, since it may affect perception, alter awareness, influence consciousness, or cause physical addiction. We must remember that the Bible does not expressly forbid medicine. Medications are not inherently evil. In fact, the Bible speaks of Timothy’s need to “use a little wine” for his illness (1 Timothy 5:23). And Luke was a doctor (Colossians 4:14). So there is nothing wrong with the use of medicine; it is the abuse that is wrong and what the Bible would condemn. There is a world of difference between someone who, through overindulgence or misapplication, abuses prescription medication and someone who has a serious illness and takes the medication a doctor prescribes for the relief of symptoms. In the first case, there is an idolatrous greed or lust for a physical substance that results in his breaking the law and potentially causing harm to himself and others; in the second, the person is making use of advances in science and, under a doctor’s direction, lawfully alleviates unpleasant symptoms through the appropriate use of medication. unquote Is it wrong to take pain medication? | GotQuestions.org

NO I would not be okay with it. I was just pointing out the falsehood of the claim that is used to support MAID. As I said we have powerful drugs to eliminate pain. The pain claim is just another tool the so-called die with dignity groups use.

There is no proof that these people are "destined for a painful and prolonged death". Just look at BC Sapper on here. He argues and demands he has the right, but there is no evidence he is destined for a painful and prolonged death. The health care system has many drugs to eliminate the pain of people. There is not proof that the ten thousand people a year who received MAID were destined for a painful and prolonged death. In the absence of proof that must be dismissed as false. People were living out their lives normally when MAID was started. The only reason it was brought in was because of people like BC Sapper who demand to have "right to choose" MAID even though there is no proof of any painful prolonged suffering. It was brought in because of pressures from groups and individuals who demanded the so-called right to "die with dignity" which is a false propaganda claim. These are powerful liberal political groups that manipulated government.

It may be Socialism, but the fact remains the government outlawed private health care. Therefore the government has a duty to provide health care. They have taken on that responsibility but are failing to provide adequate care for everyone. The system is run by politicians who are under pressure to fund everything under the sun, even drugs for drug addicts. So politicians with no moral compass support MAID. The fact is it eliminates ten thousand or more people a year, who require medical and palliative care and saves the government millions of dollars, could be a factor in their thinking. Everyone has their hand out for government funding.

You are completely confused in your thinking. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia has absolutely nothing to do with the Iraq War and is not the fault of the U.S. in any way, shape or form. You are sounding like an anti-American. Maybe you are a leftist plant of some kind and oppose the west. We have lots of those in Canada and America. America is a country of freedom and defends freedom in the world. You are on the wrong track.

God created the universe and created you and you are accountable for everything you do. You can say whatever you want, but that is a fact. God is omnipotent over all creation. You don't get to be your own god. Everyone was created by God, God owns us, and everyone will be held accountable.

Any system that deliberately kills citizens is Nazi. You can't try to cloak it any terms you wish, but that doesn't hide the truth. It is killing humans, some who probably did not willingly choose to die, but were deceived, persuaded by someone else or simply made bad choices. It is a form of genocide. Changing the law to make it legal does not change the fact of what it is doing. The Nazis made laws too but committed genocide against two thirds of Europe's Jews. You have no moral compass.

You might change your mind when it comes time to retire and you depend on a government pension and health care. I would be happy with paying monthly premiums for health care, but the system and our taxes and wages were never set up for a private system in the past 50 years. Whether it's private or public, we still need health care and most people over 55 require health care of some sort sooner or later. Surely you don't want everyone live a much shorter life span? I am not sure I would call essential public services "Socialism". I think the public health care system is failing. So how can you oppose more funding for palliative care. That sounds kind of narcistic. We have a duty to take care of the elderly, not kill them off. The Nazi MAID system is killing at least ten thousand people a year in Canada, many of whom probably never knew what was happening. What you don't accept is the fact only God decides when life ends. You don't get to play God. If you do you are acting on behalf of Satan and will pay the price unless you repent and believe the gospel.

You are new on this topic. I have already posted the link to an article that shows the MAID protocols are not being followed in all cases and innocent people are being put to death. Many infirm, elderly, handicapped, and ill people do not think rationally and are pressured into this. This is criminal and Fascist. Much like Naziism. Secondly your claim of pain and suffering may be grossly exaggerated. Most people are able to be treated by the many pain medications they have these days. The system is just not doing its job properly and the government is using MAID to save millions of dollars by taking the easy way out.

Sadly many people in Manitoba are deceived by the woke left. Manitobans are electing the next government tomorrow and the media is reporting the NDP may be in the lead. The NDP led by a red power native is promising to search the landfill even it it costs 184 million dollars and risk the health of searchers. What for? 184 million dollars could build a lot of homes on native reserves and build a lot of clean water systems. But the FN red power activists don't care or concern themselves about things like that. They are more interested in creating a false impression of moral superiority by protesting and demanding the government search the landfill site at any costs. Such is the woke left politics in Manitoba and many people have fallen for it. The left will get what they deserve; more government money wasted, more taxes and a lower standard of living. The trouble with this kind of democracy is those with more common sense who reject this red power woke nonsense will also suffer financially in this new world of wokeness.

The Iraq War has absolutely nothing to do with the war in the Ukraine. You are grasping for straws. Try again.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. MAID effects others, many others. The whole idea of MAID destroys the value of human life. That affects health care in this country and demeans the value of human life. This also effects relationships between humans in society and everything. It effects how people look on each other. It sends a message that your life is not really that valuable. MAID also promotes the idea that the state has the right to decide who should live and who should die. That is the same as Communist or Fascist governments.

I think the reason Ukraine was not brought into NATO was because it would have resulted in WW3. NATO is trying to avoid an all out WW3 between Russia and the west. Not bringing Ukraine into NATO was just a calculation to avoid world war. The basic rule in NATO is if any NATO member is attacked, all members must defend the aggressor. That would have meant WW3. NATO made the right decision.

Do you not believe in any kind of moral authority? What is the basis of your morality or do you have any? If you don't have any moral basis what are you doing promoting something which is a moral matter?

Canada is going too far with medical assistance in dying (thestar.com) "Extending MAID to those with mental illnesses carries obvious risks, given that suicidal thoughts can be part and parcel of some psychological conditions. Advocates for the disabled warn that widening the MAID criteria makes their lives seem more disposable than others, and worry people with disabilities will feel pressure to go that route. We’re hearing about more and more cases of people driven to despair by poverty and chronic illness, who can’t get the help they need from a badly stressed health system. Will some turn to MAID as a way out? In February, a 51-year-old Ontario woman chose to die because she couldn’t find affordable housing that wouldn’t aggravate her chemical sensitivities. Global News reports on the case of a 65-year-old man named Les Landry who’s considering MAID because he’s fallen into poverty and doesn’t see another solution." MAID law is a slippery slope.

Is it too easy to die in Canada? Surprising approvals for medically assisted death -The Fifth Estate Bing Videos

Of course I don't have the actual data and individual reports because that is kept confidential. The whole thing is being done behind closed doors and in secret. But if there are a few reports of protocols not being followed, you can be sure that is only the tip of the iceberg.

'Nothing about this felt OK': The troubling debate over a 'good' death for all As a doctor, killing patients has long been taboo. Ferrukh Faruqui examines the ethics of extending eligibility for euthanasia — MAiD — to those who are not dying 'Nothing about this felt OK': The troubling debate over a 'good' death for all | National Post

Obviously there are reports that many people did not get a say in the matter. Protocols were broken or not followed in many cases apparently. RCMP called to investigate multiple cases of veterans being offered medically assisted death | CBC News Medical assistance in dying: Police investigating B.C. case | CTV News

It is in this article. Obviously I don't have access to the records. I don't think anybody can access the actual records. It is not something the government would want to release because it would expose the government. Such violations of the protocols would not be written down anyway. But there likely have been many individual reports by relatives and friends of people who died in MAID and who felt their death was contrary to the protocols. What Euthanasia is and Nine Reasons why it is Always Wrong - Campagne Québec-Vie (cqv.qc.ca)