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" The recording from an October 2021 training session documents the use of sedation to obtain consent. Raikin explains the importance of the use of sedation to obtain consent for death: At the core of death care is the presumption that safeguards work and that consent, the most important safeguard, prevents death care from slipping into rampant homicide or suicide contagion. Instead, it is turning into the end of medicine. Raikin provides examples of the use of sedation to gain consent for death: In Belgium last year, after a lethal injection failed to kill a 36-year-old woman with terminal cancer, the presiding physician smothered her with a pillow. In New Zealand and Canada, suicidal patients seeking medical care for suicide prevention were prompted to consider assisted suicide instead. In the Netherlands, a similar story of a physician sedating her patient into accepting euthanasia led to the first criminal trial of a euthanasia physician. She was acquitted. The judges said, “We believe that given the deeply demented condition of the patient the doctor did not need to verify her wish for euthanasia,” even though the patient repeatedly attempted to fight off her physician." Euthanasia Prevention Coalition Euthanasia Prevention Coalition: Canada: How Death Care is pushing out Health Care (alexschadenberg.blogspot.com)

"Recently Kathrin Mentler went to the Assessment Centre at Vancouver General Hospital for help as she was experiencing suicidal ideation. While being assessed the counsellor asked her if she had considered Medical Assistance in Dying. Mentler told the media that she was shocked and sickened that she was given recommendations on how to kill herself. A report from the Special Joint Committee on Medical Assistance in Dying (AMAD) that was tabled in the House of Commons on February 15, 2023 calling for a drastic expansion of (MAiD). The report recommended that "mature minors" and patients with dementia should be permitted to make advanced requests for MAiD by advanced directive. We need you to help slow the growth and normalization of MAiD in Canada. Enough is enough. Death-care for some is not a substitute for healthcare for all." Euthanasia Prevention Coalition Euthanasia Prevention Coalition: Conservative Party of Canada passes Policy 908 opposing expansion of euthanasia (alexschadenberg.blogspot.com)

I will be surprised if they release any records on the Nazis because they lean toward being Nazis themselves with abortion on demand and medical assistance in dying. They have a death culture engrained in their thinking and zero respect for human life. They are an elite inner circle that strictly looks out for themselves. Everything they do is weighed on the number of votes they might get. Never what is right or wrong. This was also evident when they turned away the ship of Jewish refugees from Europe around WW2, yet accepted Nazi war criminals as refugees after the war.

Say no to a culture of death. Never give in, never back down. Do the right thing and defend the sanctity of human life at all stages. No Options, No Choice (nooptionsnochoice.com) Euthanasia Prevention Coalition | Building a broad based network to oppose euthanasia & assisted suicide worldwide. (epcc.ca)

Who wants carbon taxes reduced or killed is a no brainer. If the conservatives stick to this, I am sure they will have a good chance in the next election. That plus PP's plans to help fix the housing crisis. He has announced what sounds like a good plan to start. The Liberals have little to offer but more carbon taxes and I think I heard 300% increase in some particular tax which I can't recall what it was exactly. Maybe someone remembers.

This has nothing much to do with the subject of this thread. You should start another thread on Iraq or whatever if you want to talk about that.

This is appalling that this is going on in Canada. Very tragic.

I am sorry you lost your wife that way. Tragic. But I would not blame God. God does not do that.

That's fine. I am not trying to force you to believe what I do. Good evening sir.

I will try to answer these question, but I admit I am not an expert. There are things that we do not understand. Man only understands what God has revealed to him in His written word, the Bible. My understanding is very limited. I am not a Bible scholar so some of your question may be beyond my ability to answer, especially off the top of my head. Some might be able to be answered after some study. First, medical advances over the past century have given mankind a much longer life span. Even though many people get cancer, heart problems etc., they are able to live much longer. God considers life as sacred. He created man in his own image. What exactly that means I am not 100% sure. I don't think it means physically in his image, but perhaps in the sense we have intelligence (or should have) and the power of reason, which animals and plants do not have. We also have a spirit and a soul which is another subject. God is a spirit and is present everywhere although he is not made of the material universe. He is separate from it. Many heathen religions believe in a god which is part of the material universe. So because God considers human life sacred or of infinite value, he has given mankind commandments on how man is to live. One of those commandments is thou shalt not kill. There are only certain exceptions to this such as by lawful authorities in defence of one's life, defence of one's country, and execution for murder as part of the justice system by lawful authorities. Therefore the medical system does not have any authority to end someone's life by using any active measure to cause death. This has been part of the hypocratic oath of some medical associations I believe but has changed over the years and different associations ahve different oaths. Now because God considers human life sacred, he does not condone anyone taking it upon themselves to end it. If however, in the medical profession, a patient is in such a condition that they cannot be revived or saved, the doctors have the prerogative of disconnecting the extraordinary life saving equipment, but that would be only in rare circumstances when a patient cannot be saved and after consultation with the family. That is not considered as actively ending a person's life. That is a necessary part of the health care system because there will always be patients in such a predicament that their lives cannot be saved. I am not sure I answered your question(s). If not, please clarify again.

This is why it is so important to have some knowledge about God and the Bible. Without that knowledge, you are just stumbling along in the dark without any clear idea of what life and it's purpose is all about. If you believe this: No maker of the universe, no ultimate purpose of our existence, then you would believe mankind is just a blob of chemicals and everything is just an accident. Life is then purposeless and when something bad happens, you feel bitter and resentful. Life is just a downhill slide until death which you believe is oblivion. That would explain why one would believe in MAID. No purpose, no meaning. Just end it all with a clean, easy exit.

OK, I accept I didn't answer your question or not properly or misinterpreted it. Please ask me the question again, in a clear manner. I will try to answer it honestly if it comes across as a sincere question.

I posted an article to you an hour ago explaining that God is not the cause of sickness. It appears you did not bother to read it. Or perhaps you are not capable of understanding such articles. Or you are blinded by animosity. You are spouting nonsense again. You falsely blame God for something that happened. Perhaps you have no knowledge of God. That is why you should be studying the Bible and commentaries on different subjects. You will one day regret if you don't.

Were you asking a serious question? First a medic doesn't kill people unless he is practicing MAID. Accidents and serious illness are not caused by God. I explained that in a posting about an hour or so ago to Aristides. I repeat the answer: "Psalm 46:1 tells us: “He is our refuge and our strength, and a help in time of trouble.” In spite of this reassurance our Christian brothers and sisters die in accidents, or as a result of illness, and many of us have known suffering ourselves. The fact is although God is always with us and standing by to aid us nowhere in Scripture are we promised a life free of pain, suffering and tragedy. In fact the Apostle Peter tells us: "Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you” (I Peter 4:12). During Job’s time, there was a misunderstanding expressed by Job’s friends. They assumed Job somehow deserved what was happening to him as a result of his sins. Jesus Christ also encountered this line of thought when two tragic situations occurred in Judea. In one situation, a number of people from Galilee were killed and their blood mingled with the sacrifices by Pontius Pilate. In another, others were killed when the Tower of Siloam collapsed (Luke 13:1-5). Christ’s point regarding these two incidents was that these people were no worse sinners than anyone else, but that this fate—death—would come to all men and that we must redeem the time and repent while we still can. Apart from time and chance happening to everyone and God deciding to intervene in certain circumstances, there is also the issue that we often suffer the unavoidable consequences of our own unwise behaviour. A modern day example of this would be—you can’t smoke for 50 years and then question why God didn’t protect you from lung cancer. There are consequences to our choices and we ultimately reap what we sow (Galatians 6:7). This is a biblical principle. Satan is the god of this age (II Corinthians 4:4). As such, most of the pain, suffering and tragedy that we see in the world around us today is a direct result of his influence and human beings succumbing to that influence. (You can read more about Satan and his evil demons in the next article in this issue: Is There An Evil Spirit World?) Reading on from 1 Peter 4:12, quoted at the beginning of this article where apostle Peter tells us to expect hardship and trials, we are told how we react to our sufferings is what counts (I Peter 4:13-17). We don’t always understand why God does what He does—why some live and others do not, but we can be assured of the fulfillment of God’s promise that we will see our loved ones again in the wonderful Kingdom of God. (See our free brochure: What Happens After Death?)" Why does God allow Christians to die in accidents? - United Church of God Australia (ucg.org.au)

That's not how God operates. "Psalm 46:1 tells us: “He is our refuge and our strength, and a help in time of trouble.” In spite of this reassurance our Christian brothers and sisters die in accidents, or as a result of illness, and many of us have known suffering ourselves. The fact is although God is always with us and standing by to aid us nowhere in Scripture are we promised a life free of pain, suffering and tragedy. In fact the Apostle Peter tells us: "Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you” (I Peter 4:12). During Job’s time, there was a misunderstanding expressed by Job’s friends. They assumed Job somehow deserved what was happening to him as a result of his sins. Jesus Christ also encountered this line of thought when two tragic situations occurred in Judea. In one situation, a number of people from Galilee were killed and their blood mingled with the sacrifices by Pontius Pilate. In another, others were killed when the Tower of Siloam collapsed (Luke 13:1-5). Christ’s point regarding these two incidents was that these people were no worse sinners than anyone else, but that this fate—death—would come to all men and that we must redeem the time and repent while we still can. Apart from time and chance happening to everyone and God deciding to intervene in certain circumstances, there is also the issue that we often suffer the unavoidable consequences of our own unwise behaviour. A modern day example of this would be—you can’t smoke for 50 years and then question why God didn’t protect you from lung cancer. There are consequences to our choices and we ultimately reap what we sow (Galatians 6:7). This is a biblical principle. Satan is the god of this age (II Corinthians 4:4). As such, most of the pain, suffering and tragedy that we see in the world around us today is a direct result of his influence and human beings succumbing to that influence. (You can read more about Satan and his evil demons in the next article in this issue: Is There An Evil Spirit World?) Reading on from 1 Peter 4:12, quoted at the beginning of this article where apostle Peter tells us to expect hardship and trials, we are told how we react to our sufferings is what counts (I Peter 4:13-17). We don’t always understand why God does what He does—why some live and others do not, but we can be assured of the fulfillment of God’s promise that we will see our loved ones again in the wonderful Kingdom of God. (See our free brochure: What Happens After Death?)" Why does God allow Christians to die in accidents? - United Church of God Australia (ucg.org.au)

Where did I say or suggest doctors and hospital do not save lives all the time? Of course they do. I simply said sometimes, if a patient is brain dead and there is no hope for recovery, hospitals decide, in consultation with close relatives, to disconnect life support systems because there is nothing else they can do for the patient. I don't believe God has it in for someone who is seriously injured in an accident.

Hospitals use life support equipment to save people who are not brain dead. Nobody opposes that. If a person is brain dead, doctors may decide to remove the life support equipment. Not sure what you mean by "God wants them dead". Can you explain? I would not assume God wants anyone dead.

God is the God of everyone. We are all part of the country and government that made the MAID law. Therefore we all have a voice on the subject and a responsibility to speak out against evil. MAID is the essence of evil. I have already explained capital punishment on the thread under that subject. It is a matter of justice, which you don't seem to understand at all. Why is it ok to kill 100,000 unborn babies a year by abortion, kill people who have committed no crime by lethal injection, but wrong to use capital punishment for murderers of police officers who risk their lives to protect you?

I disagree. God has created us and we belong to him. Taking one's own life is contrary to what God intends for us. I am not saying suffering is a desirable thing, but sometimes we have suffering in this life because it is an imperfect world we live in. Sometimes people do suffer when they approach the end. I don't deny that. We need to make them as comfortable as possible to the end. We can be a good witness for God by following his commands which includes respecting the sanctity of life and just living our life until he takes us. By taking MAID we are not respecting God or his commandments which include "thou shalt not kill". It demeans the sanctity of life. Man has no business killing someone supposedly for mercy. If pain killers help one, there is nothing wrong with that. But suicide or MAID is not the answer.

The war in the Ukraine is having a significant impact on the Russian military. I don't think Putin expected that. Hopefully they will see the light and negotiate a reasonable peace plan that both sides can accept.

So you asked a question and I answered but you still don't accept the answer. Nothing anyone says means a thing to you. You are not here to discuss anything.

You are the one who asked if drugs can be used to keep people doped up and I simply answered your question. So all you've got is another comment about God being my problem.

No, I don't believe in subjecting people to medical intervention or drugs to simply keep them alive if their situation is such that it is not warranted. Doctors regularly remove extraordinary life supports when the situation is such that it is doing more harm than good. This is not the same as actively ending someone's life by giving medicines to kill the person. We need to understand the difference. I have already explained why MAID is wrong. It is actively killing a person.

No I am not denying that. I just believe there are pain relief medications and most importantly, I believe man does not have the right to end someone's life under the heading of mercy killing. Only God can end life. To actively end human life for mercy reasons is contrary to God's law against killing.